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On February 16 2012 12:21 Ace wrote:
Bah, was just battling down a ton of Knicks fans high expectations. Every time they get a hint of success they start dreaming super big. So now the new word on the street is that with Jeremy Lin the Knicks are the 3rd best team in the East according to some.
I really don't want it to happen, but shit is going to end very badly when Miami and Chicago plays these guys.
Probably they will play the Bulls when Rose, Noah, and Deng are out for some reason, then play the Heat without Lebron and Bosh. Then FREAK OUT when they win by 1 in each game.
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On February 16 2012 13:07 scaban84 wrote:Omg why do the worse teams in the NBA have to be sooooo abysmal. Watching Clips vs Wizards and realizing the Wizards have absolutely no clue what they are doing, I went to Charlotte with a few friends this past weekend to see my Bull and Clippers play the Bobcats. It was depressing. Both games were blowouts. And the fans actually came to see the Bulls, the arena was flooded with red. Jordan was sitting on his team's bench and was half-facepalming the entire half. He left at halftime. ![[image loading]](http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/11/13/50/2406940/3/628x471.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2012/02/10/21/30/26zdd.Em.138.jpg) He didn't even come the next day to see the Blake Griffin show. Everyone in the arena was waiting for the monster dunks and lobs. It was sad. Why don't number 1 drafts picks help these teams?
Gerald Wallace for cash and a bunch of expiring crap + a first round pick in 2013 is what's sad. They'll have decent space next year but when Maggette comes off in 2013-14, they'll have like $9 mil committed. They'll probably land Andre Drummond though. That's a plus.
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Lin is good, not the knicks
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The Clippers are running double dunks like NBA Hangtime.
Are you fucking kidding me. Refs taking over the game. >.> Paul gets T'd up for crossing his arms in frustration. Wall had something similar on the other end.
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pretty sure drummond sucks
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Bobcats are doing it right.
Jordan knew they were never going to be more than a 7/8 seed ceiling type team and gutted the roster for young guys and picks. They're going to be shit for a few years, but they have a much better upside than people think.
Like all teams rebuilding via the tank, they really need to draft well though. Cho is a pretty good GM and has done his apprenticeship under the king of the small markets in Sam Presti. Stick strong if you're a Lolcats fan: better times are definitely ahead.
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Cho most recently worked with Portand and made them a consistent 50 win team, mostly with drafts picks and maneuvers through low cost contracts.
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it's easy to have upside when you're at rock bottom
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On February 16 2012 14:52 tiffany wrote:
it's easy to have upside when you're at rock bottom
Despite how it looks, he does have them going in a positive direction. You may call it rock bottom but I think that's something of a pejorative term when Cho is merely in the early stages of executing a long-term plan.
Growing pains is more apt in the Lolcats' circumstance. 
Sonics/Thunder did exactly the same thing and look where they are now. The Sonics of then were pretty much where the Bobcats were when they made the playoffs a couple of years ago. Presti traded Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis straight away and gutted the team quickly for a rebuild. Throw in some good luck and good management and he was able to secure a core of Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Green. The Sonics/Thunder were pretty terrible for three years but through the tanking and strong drafting they got to where they are now.
I'm not in anyway saying the same will happen to the Lolcats--it probably won't--but Cho is at least giving the franchise the best chance possible to develop into a contender rather than a mediocre first round playoff team.
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Is it me or are PGs doing better than any other position this season? Even 2nd tier PGs like Lawson or Teague, seem to have amazing performances on a regular basis. Not to mention the new stars like Irving, Rubio and Lin.
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seems like just bad management is why bobcats are where they're at. just by browsing through the bobcats draft history shows well anywhere from alright players to underachievers to big time flops. also the draft classes where they had high pick just were not very deep draft classes.
rebuilding is obviously the right answer right now but it's gonna take some luck and good decisions to make them competitive.
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On February 16 2012 14:31 RowdierBob wrote:
Bobcats are doing it right.
Jordan knew they were never going to be more than a 7/8 seed ceiling type team and gutted the roster for young guys and picks. They're going to be shit for a few years, but they have a much better upside than people think.
Like all teams rebuilding via the tank, they really need to draft well though. Cho is a pretty good GM and has done his apprenticeship under the king of the small markets in Sam Presti. Stick strong if you're a Lolcats fan: better times are definitely ahead.
I don't get this infatuation with tanking. Look at a team like the Bucks. They have a number 1 overall in Bogut and another top 10 in Jennings. Trust me when I say that they won't sniff the Conference Finals with that team. And what about the Timberwolves? They have all these picks - Love, Rubio, Williams and even Beasley. Is this team even making the playoffs? Or the Clippers before the Chris Paul trade: Blake, EJ, DeAndre, Bledsoe, Aminu - all these picks and they would have just been good - never great. Where are the Kings going with their "tanking" rewards? Tyreke, Boog and even Jimmer were all top 10 picks.
Picks get you started. You need to have draft picks. That's fine. But you only need to hit once and go from there. This concept of selling out your season is ridiculous, there are no sure things. Unless you're tanking to land Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett or Lebron James, basically flawless players through evaluation, it isn't worth it.
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I guess people think 3rd best team in the east is any decent non-super team.
Who's #3? Orlando? Then Philly, Pacers?
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On February 16 2012 15:59 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 14:31 RowdierBob wrote:
Bobcats are doing it right.
Jordan knew they were never going to be more than a 7/8 seed ceiling type team and gutted the roster for young guys and picks. They're going to be shit for a few years, but they have a much better upside than people think.
Like all teams rebuilding via the tank, they really need to draft well though. Cho is a pretty good GM and has done his apprenticeship under the king of the small markets in Sam Presti. Stick strong if you're a Lolcats fan: better times are definitely ahead. I don't get this infatuation with tanking. Look at a team like the Bucks. They have a number 1 overall in Bogut and another top 10 in Jennings. Trust me when I say that they won't sniff the Conference Finals with that team. And what about the Timberwolves? They have all these picks - Love, Rubio, Williams and even Beasley. Is this team even making the playoffs? Or the Clippers before the Chris Paul trade: Blake, EJ, DeAndre, Bledsoe, Aminu - all these picks and they would have just been good - never great. Where are the Kings going with their "tanking" rewards? Tyreke, Boog and even Jimmer were all top 10 picks. Picks get you started. You need to have draft picks. That's fine. But you only need to hit once and go from there. This concept of selling out your season is ridiculous, there are no sure things. Unless you're tanking to land Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett or Lebron James, basically flawless players through evaluation, it isn't worth it.
That's a bit disingenuous though. What about a team like Chicago (Rose + Noah), OKC (Durant, Westbrook, Harden) or even Memphis (Gay, Gasol, Conley). Tanking isn't a sure fire winning, but for small market teams it's absolutely necessary if they want to have a chance of contending.
Small markets can never compete with the LAs, NYCs, Bostons, Miamis etc of the NBA. They don't have to pulling power to get the big free agent players and have to get stars through the draft.
You get stars through high picks, and you mostly get high picks through tanking.
The Bucks aren't a great example. They tanked right but when they had high picks in 07 and 08 they took Yi and Joe Alexander at #6 and #8 respectively. Bogut and Jennings are their only decent assets atm in a team of journeyman role players. If the Bucks decide to blow it up this year and tank--which they absolutely should--they'll be a much better team than they are now. Imagine if they could add a dominant wing in say Harrison Barnes to the team.
Tanking isn't a sure fire way to NBA success, but it's the best option to get the superstar you need to win (for small market teams that is).
The Clippers and T Wolves are teams on the up. Tanking easily has made them better teams. The Wolves have Rubio and Love moving forward (and a butt load of young trade assets to upgrade other positions) and the Clips have a second year PF who is going to be one of the League's most dominant players for the next 10 years. How has tanking NOT helped those teams?
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And I'm talking about tanking as part of an overall philosophy of short-term pain for long-term success.
The Clips have historically been shit because of Stirling being cheap. They eventually got their star after years of tanking and now have a chance to be something in the NBA.
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Well to be fair, without Chris Paul the Clippers would have needed a remarkeable upgrade defensively to even think about contention. Blake's career after that trade has taken a crazy direction. Clips would have been a playoff team without enough to seriously contend before the trade.
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Sorry, maybe people are misunderstanding me. I'm talking about tanking to land a superstar player. Building a contending team starts with your superstar, and if you're a small market team you get that player through the draft and tanking.
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Participants for the dunk contest has been announced;
- Paul George
- Chase Budinger
- Derrick Williams
- Iman Shumpert
Thoughts on the picks? I'm excited to see the rookies, should be fun.. I'm not sure what I think of Budinger, haven't seen enough of Houston to know if he's a good dunker
Celebrity All-Star roster announced as well;
- Common
- J. Cole (artist)
- Kevin Hart (comedian/actor)
- Jesse Williams (actor)
- Vinny Guadagnino (no clue)
- J. B. Smoove (actor/comedian)
- Drew Scott (actor)
- Jonathan Scott (TV Host)
- Tamika Catchings (WNBA MVP)
- Doug Gottlieb (analyst, former NCAA player)
- Javier Colon (winner of The Voice, I think..?)
- Penny Hardaway (former NBA player)
- Mitch Richmond (former NBA player)
- Nick Anderson (former NBA player)
Love Kevin Hart & Penny Hardaway, so should be fun to watch
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what do the bobcats have for picks this year? any other first rounders other than their own?
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