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On October 14 2011 03:19 NoobieOne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 03:11 Superouman wrote:
Personally, i scout the bases of the enemies (when i can find it lolo) to find their weak points before the war. This is also very important. I know when people were offline I've snuck my way into the area around people's bases to find their weakest points of defense just so i know when we attack them.
This was an event planned on short notice, do whatever you want for standard faction PvP. Better yet, we could just create forts for siege events like the battlegrounds (if it wasn't done already).
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On October 14 2011 03:43 Ig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 03:19 NoobieOne wrote:On October 14 2011 03:11 Superouman wrote:
Personally, i scout the bases of the enemies (when i can find it lolo) to find their weak points before the war. This is also very important. I know when people were offline I've snuck my way into the area around people's bases to find their weakest points of defense just so i know when we attack them. This was an event planned on short notice, do whatever you want for standard faction PvP. Better yet, we could just create forts for siege events like the battlegrounds (if it wasn't done already).
Yet after the first push you found that our defense was at the spot you attacked why did you attack the same spot again?
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Loners slang eggs all day
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On October 13 2011 14:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Well, I've come under the impression that at least a third of the server (who mostly happen to belong to a single alliance) are misologists, or at least fairly lacking in the ability to properly reason if the former term doesn't apply, under conflicts of disagreement.
Unfortunately, I believe two of the three server admins would fall under this category with a strong inclination of bias against specific individuals (including myself) who oppose this former group directly, one of whom (Valug) takes a "short-fuse temper" to a whole new level (unless they just had a really bad day), threatening to ban me for a mistaken accusation of special treatment and holding said remark against me even after explaining the how easily anyone could have made the mistake. The other (Jez) openly endorses one-way trolling against said specific individuals, conveniently when the "favored" group devolves discussion into series of personal attacks and blatant flaming, all in the sake of "promoting drama" for the server, when such behavior would have clearly resulted in warnings/boots/bans from the server if it had originated from another source. In rejection of this, and a disapproval of the trolling as simply an ineffective means of reasonable discussion, said admin labels me as arrogant and whiny (a complaint several of the "alleged" misologists will attribute me with as a whole, despite my failure to recollect a single instance of my bragging & arrogance, or complaining about imbalance).
Fortunately though, the combination of the facts that the main server admin appears to keep these two in check for the most part, and that these appear to be the only instances of issues with the other two admin, keep the server experience from being hurt overall for the majority of the players, and so the server as a whole still definitely remains a fun and enjoyable experience.
However, I have no intentions of leading the current faction I created after the events above as it simply isn't fun anymore under the present circumstances (which are a complete surprise considering how problem-free Round 1 was as a whole, I believe I spent more time arguing than actually playing the past couple days).
I have already passed on leadership of the Templar faction to my members and they may do what they wish with the faction, be it continue with the status quo, rename and start fresh as a new faction, or entirely disband and merge with another.
I plan on continuing to play on this server (assuming I will be allowed to after this post) as it is still an amazing server with a large number of fun and interesting people (and I will even grant that the individuals I don't exactly get along with are decent at the times when they aren't bragging, trolling, or accusing me of whining when I'm merely stating my account of the true nature of events), but much more casually and lightly than before so as to avoid any more drama problems and the "arguments" (if you would call them that) that stem from them.
One of the founders of THO faction here.
Im not going to say I agree with everything you said but I agree with ALOT of what you said which is why all of the mods, and leader of THO except for Ashfalt have left the server. We don't find it is balanced at all anymore. Round 1 had it's problems as well but was alot more fair and balanced then it is now. Now it seems like it's all a popularity contest with this no cap faction thing. I understand what the owner of the server is trying to do. ( Trying to make the wars bigger ) but they are really just the same size as they were in round 1 just less balanced faction power wise.
THO isnt perfect but so wasn't Loners. We both exploited some game mechanics that made the fight unfair in Round 1. With Loners teleporting to a dead body, and us using red stone as a defence. I'll admit to that. ( Both using exploits we still won! haha Go THO!). But this isnt the point. That could have been handled with rules on the battlefield, and the admins enforcing fair gameplay. I love this server, and got addicted to how Round 1 was set up. No other server can fill that void. ( Being a litttle to dramatic  )
We also have our opinions on people favouring factions, and the admins. We thought a few things didn't seem right and were unfair in round one, but I dont want to get to into that. No point in doing so because you can accuse someone but they won't admit to it. Theres no way to get evidence to say who was right so no point. ( Somethings I agree with Templar though ) For the most part I think the owner of the server was really cool at times, and he had a great idea with round 1. We will keep checking back and hope that things go back to how it was.
I'd like to say that even though Loners and THO didnt get along. It was all in good fun and I think it was one of the most epic experience that I've ever had gaming. (Along with Tamplar and Mafia.) THO for the win!
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On October 14 2011 04:14 NoobieOne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 03:43 Ig wrote:On October 14 2011 03:19 NoobieOne wrote:On October 14 2011 03:11 Superouman wrote:
Personally, i scout the bases of the enemies (when i can find it lolo) to find their weak points before the war. This is also very important. I know when people were offline I've snuck my way into the area around people's bases to find their weakest points of defense just so i know when we attack them. This was an event planned on short notice, do whatever you want for standard faction PvP. Better yet, we could just create forts for siege events like the battlegrounds (if it wasn't done already). Yet after the first push you found that our defense was at the spot you attacked why did you attack the same spot again?
I went looking for other holes and got killed and never got back, that's a question you should ask other people.
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Question about battlegrounds: Is there gonna be a way to select teams later? Exodites and us wanted to play a faction vs faction 2fort game but couldn't because we could only autoassign.
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On October 14 2011 06:15 BrownBear wrote:
Question about battlegrounds: Is there gonna be a way to select teams later? Exodites and us wanted to play a faction vs faction 2fort game but couldn't because we could only autoassign.
I can make it where you can choose teams.
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The other (Jez) openly endorses one-way trolling against said specific individuals, conveniently when the "favored" group devolves discussion into series of personal attacks and blatant flaming, all in the sake of "promoting drama" for the server, when such behavior would have clearly resulted in warnings/boots/bans from the server if it had originated from another source.
Let me teach you something about trolling; If you ignore them, they won't talk anymore. I just hope I'm not going against my own advise here.
I don't like when things fall to personal attacks. I often chastised people for it on TS when it got that far. But you have to also recognize that it isn't ONLY THEM! You contribute too.
I believe you are lashing out at me because of what I said to you the other day. I explained that I think your attempts to show how "above" trolling you are, is stupid and you come off as a crybaby.
I won't deny that I'm friends with a number of people on this server; a number of which are in Loners. They are fun to hang with. If anything, those people that I'm friends with are the only people that receive anything that could be construed as "admin abuse".
Another source of this might be the whole "Town Guard" thing. I typically encourage PvP, town or not. I don't stop people from picking fights in spawn unless it is blatant spawn camping. The original thing was to kill those that are PvPing in town, which I decided I did not want to do, and would typically only do a 5min jail for things.
I actually tried to encourage a PvP event vs Loners yesterday, which may have caused more harm than good due to the unsuccessful outcome. It was with the best intentions to try to do a community event against the hated faction.
I'm sorry that you feel that I've wronged you. I was actually quite happy with what you represented, and was disappointed that you got so discouraged after the first day attack by loners.
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/warp ALA is still enabled and I just got killed by Exodus because people can teleport to our base whenever the hell they please. The server is fine without these totems and abusive plugins that the admins use. The Loners were not unbalanced, it was just that all the other factions are horrible at this game and need to play more Starcraft before even attempting to play such a complex game as Minecraft.
Anyways, I'm off for now. Great idea, not so great execution.
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On October 14 2011 07:40 DeandreT wrote:
/warp ALA is still enabled and I just got killed by Exodus because people can teleport to our base whenever the hell they please. The server is fine without these totems and abusive plugins that the admins use. The Loners were not unbalanced, it was just that all the other factions are horrible at this game and need to play more Starcraft before even attempting to play such a complex game as Minecraft.
Anyways, I'm off for now. Great idea, not so great execution.
Sorry, was an oversight. I fixed it.
It was certainly not organized enough. I was hoping for a more show of some factions, since they could have worked in groups, but you are totally right. Bad execution.
I hope someone else steps up in a more organized fashion and teaches loners some humility 
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On October 14 2011 07:40 DeandreT wrote:
/warp ALA is still enabled and I just got killed by Exodus because people can teleport to our base whenever the hell they please. The server is fine without these totems and abusive plugins that the admins use. The Loners were not unbalanced, it was just that all the other factions are horrible at this game and need to play more Starcraft before even attempting to play such a complex game as Minecraft.
Anyways, I'm off for now. Great idea, not so great execution.
Manner please, head out of your ass as well.
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On October 14 2011 07:51 Ig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 07:40 DeandreT wrote:
/warp ALA is still enabled and I just got killed by Exodus because people can teleport to our base whenever the hell they please. The server is fine without these totems and abusive plugins that the admins use. The Loners were not unbalanced, it was just that all the other factions are horrible at this game and need to play more Starcraft before even attempting to play such a complex game as Minecraft.
Anyways, I'm off for now. Great idea, not so great execution. Manner please, head out of your ass as well.
Gonna have to second that. Loner attitude isn't even entertaining anymore; it's just annoying as shit.
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I disabled Totems due to certain individuals thinking it'd be funny to make the market a "choking gas" death zone, killing noobs and shopping faction members alike. Griefing by the very definition. Coming back from taking my wife to a movie finding 17 TS messages saying their dying in the market = not fun.
Wheatheal is still on, and can still be used as a means of staying alive during an extended siege.
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On October 14 2011 08:10 Soulfire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 07:51 Ig wrote:On October 14 2011 07:40 DeandreT wrote:
/warp ALA is still enabled and I just got killed by Exodus because people can teleport to our base whenever the hell they please. The server is fine without these totems and abusive plugins that the admins use. The Loners were not unbalanced, it was just that all the other factions are horrible at this game and need to play more Starcraft before even attempting to play such a complex game as Minecraft.
Anyways, I'm off for now. Great idea, not so great execution. Manner please, head out of your ass as well. Gonna have to second that. Loner attitude isn't even entertaining anymore; it's just annoying as shit.
Why don't you do something about it, hm? Why don't you people organize something on your own, and come kick us off our high horse? Our horse is SO much higher than yours.
Look at our horse, our horse is amazing!
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On October 14 2011 07:47 Jezarith wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 07:40 DeandreT wrote:
/warp ALA is still enabled and I just got killed by Exodus because people can teleport to our base whenever the hell they please. The server is fine without these totems and abusive plugins that the admins use. The Loners were not unbalanced, it was just that all the other factions are horrible at this game and need to play more Starcraft before even attempting to play such a complex game as Minecraft.
Anyways, I'm off for now. Great idea, not so great execution. Sorry, was an oversight. I fixed it. It was certainly not organized enough. I was hoping for a more show of some factions, since they could have worked in groups, but you are totally right. Bad execution. I hope someone else steps up in a more organized fashion and teaches loners some humility
Deandret that was really uncalled for...
Not all of the loners are like that. Please do not judge us by the actions that a few of our members make.
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On October 14 2011 08:16 GigaFlop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 08:10 Soulfire wrote:On October 14 2011 07:51 Ig wrote:On October 14 2011 07:40 DeandreT wrote:
/warp ALA is still enabled and I just got killed by Exodus because people can teleport to our base whenever the hell they please. The server is fine without these totems and abusive plugins that the admins use. The Loners were not unbalanced, it was just that all the other factions are horrible at this game and need to play more Starcraft before even attempting to play such a complex game as Minecraft.
Anyways, I'm off for now. Great idea, not so great execution. Manner please, head out of your ass as well. Gonna have to second that. Loner attitude isn't even entertaining anymore; it's just annoying as shit. Why don't you do something about it, hm? Why don't you people organize something on your own, and come kick us off our high horse? Our horse is SO much higher than yours. Look at our horse, our horse is amazing!
Doubtless Loners would still talk shit even if you guys were kicked off your high horse, as if that's even possible.
TBH, what would anybody even acquire by "winning" a siege? That base is nothing special, and you guys could just make another one like it in less than an hour. With numbers like that you can make up any loss.
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On October 14 2011 07:47 Jezarith wrote:I hope someone else steps up in a more organized fashion and teaches loners some humility
the Loner legions stand strong, smiting all we encounter, victorious even against the Gods.
:D
+ Show Spoiler +more seriously though I'm sure there are some balance issues to be addressed. I like the idea of a voting system for factions to force temporary peace or redistribution of wealth. other ideas could be adding a max faction size, or tweaking power penalties/bonuses so having active members isn't as great...
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Max faction size seems like a good idea. Factions would kick inactive members, there wouldn't bee China and India vs Bahrein anymore.
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On October 14 2011 08:26 Soulfire wrote:
TBH, what would anybody even acquire by "winning" a siege? That base is nothing special, and you guys could just make another one like it in less than an hour. With numbers like that you can make up any loss.
We kinda had all of our loot there which is not something we can regain easily and the base was not something we can make in an hour. What you see is what we made in 20 mins before the siege since we heard it was coming but under that is probably 75+ combined hours of mining (which if the server continues would eventually be completed)
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There just needs to be a way to kill off members and it effects the max power level rather then their individual power, unless factions are limited at 10.
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