TL Minecraft PvP/Factions Server - October 11th - Page 57

On October 13 2011 14:06 dae wrote:
The problem is when one faction can put together 15 people relatively easily, and when almost all the people in that faction play minecraft ALOT (if you check time played for each player loners would probably have at least 70% of the top 10 people). The attack on your guy's base was really badly organized, and I honestly think that if the number on either side are at all close (it was like 15-25 maybe, with 5-10 of the 25 not being there at the time) it is impossible to successfully attack without the element of surprise. It doesn't help that pretty much no attackers had bows, or arrows, while you guys did as well.

IMO it ruins the server when one faction is that much better/stronger/well prepared then all the others, to the point where they just rule the server. All the people that take this super hardcore really shouldn't be in the same faction.

On October 13 2011 14:18 Fontong wrote:

There's nothing wrong with that though. In fact, it makes sense that the more hardcore players would group up. Why would active players such as the loners are want to be stuck in a faction with a bunch of inactive people?

We did try to get alliances going, the problem was as m101 said - random people just being idiots, hoarding the gear and killing people etc, and then people just not doing alliances for some reason. It should be changed to a party system if it can be integrated with the factions for events like this so things go smoother and factions don't become such a liability. This is a legitimate suggestion for streamlining the process for these events, what's your problem?

On October 13 2011 14:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Well, I've come under the impression that at least a third of the server (who mostly happen to belong to a single alliance) are misologists, or at least fairly lacking in the ability to properly reason if the former term doesn't apply, under conflicts of disagreement.

Unfortunately, I believe two of the three server admins would fall under this category with a strong inclination of bias against specific individuals (including myself) who oppose this former group directly, one of whom (Valug) takes a "short-fuse temper" to a whole new level (unless they just had a really bad day), threatening to ban me for a mistaken accusation of special treatment and holding said remark against me even after explaining the how easily anyone could have made the mistake. The other (Jez) openly endorses one-way trolling against said specific individuals, conveniently when the "favored" group devolves discussion into series of personal attacks and blatant flaming, all in the sake of "promoting drama" for the server, when such behavior would have clearly resulted in warnings/boots/bans from the server if it had originated from another source. In rejection of this, and a disapproval of the trolling as simply an ineffective means of reasonable discussion, said admin labels me as arrogant and whiny (a complaint several of the "alleged" misologists will attribute me with as a whole, despite my failure to recollect a single instance of my bragging & arrogance, or complaining about imbalance).

On October 13 2011 13:44 Ig wrote:

You must be mad because my post wasn't targeted at you or the Loners. Wait if it wasn't, y u mad? I'll bite anyways though, it will be fun to see how far you can (or can't) sustain a discussion.

We did try to get alliances going, the problem was as m101 said - random people just being idiots, hoarding the gear and killing people etc, and then people just not doing alliances for some reason. It should be changed to a party system if it can be integrated with the factions for events like this so things go smoother and factions don't become such a liability. This is a legitimate suggestion for streamlining the process for these events, what's your problem?

The Defender's bonus doesn't help smaller factions because with a population like ours, they have too few people for it to make a real difference if they're on their own. Even having an alliance and attacking a faction of your size (or defending), they probably won't outnumber you by much or at all, the bonus then helps you far more than it helped them. There's nothing wrong with teleporting or spawning at your base for regular faction warfare, this was concerning the event and how after the first wave you guys could just start picking stragglers off and even moving out with people flowing in too slowly to push you back.

I have no idea of why you're being so defensive since what I was talking about are future events, not standard faction warfare so there was again, no need for you to write this garbage. I don't care that you designed your base to be raided and we all know you have to build far from the spawn. However I do have to ask: Are you so arrogant and proud about your "status" on this Minecraft server that you seriously think I'm QQing because we didn't win something for fun? I didn't expect to be handed victory, but I also didn't expect it to be rather broken and people to be so stupid (with the gear and killing each other). I suppose your attitude is to be expected, this is after all PvP and it breeds dicks who try too hard, especially on games with PvP as a secondary option. Hell you're so thick you even think your wall of trash is a strong argument.

It would be great if we could work on our plans and organize an attack but this was an event that was planned on relatively short notice with a bunch of random people grouping together, disorganization is unavoidable. Surprise attacks are pretty nice though, especially when you outnumber the defenders by a bunch and even better if it's one of those little factions am I right? Stop acting like you're hot shit, this is Minecraft of all things. PvP and raiding is nice and part of the way this server is set up, but you guys seem to think it means "be a dick."

Faction power system is still garbage if you have enough people, there's no getting around that point.

Dramarama!

On October 13 2011 16:35 Sprungjeezy wrote:


Well suggesting that I am mad is childish and inaccurate and I am in no way trying to defend Loners, merely using them as an example of what would occur if some of you suggested changes were implemented. You are sorely mistaken if you believe any of them would balance this further.

Then there is the party system you are suggesting. It exists. Unless they removed it, but as far as I know it is there.

The defenders bonus "doesn't help smaller factions that much"... yes, when Ravens and Loners were killing people who at the time had 30% damage reduction we lost several members when outnumbering the enemy and in some cases lost entirely. So yes, it does in fact matter quite a lot, you may feel free to share your theorycrafting to prove otherwise, I have my own experience as proof until then.

As for me not having a reason to post my "garbage"... why would you suggest so many changes on a forum and expect others not to chime in with their opinions as well, you said some dramatic changes and I responded with reasons against your argument thus it is garbage, who is struggling to hold a discussion now? (BTW the discussion between myself and GGTemplar over the definition of annihilation was not a discussion, merely "you're wrong" "no you're wrong" so I conceded and ended it swiftly, I apologize for not trying to take a dump on this thread)

Now for your last "point" - if you believe it would be balanced for a LARGE group of people who have never played closely together before ought to be able to raid a rather close core group with the same defenders bonus (% reduction AND respawn) that everyone else enjoys and win willy nilly then I fear any game that hires you for balancing. As for the "be a dick" factor, it's called BM, it results in others wanting to seek revenge, the more that seek revenge the better in my opinion as it leads to more factions being active in PvP instead of just Loners. So many people call themselves "aggressive" factions and I have personally not seen any be aggressors enough to warrant such a title outside of Loners.

And as for the faction power system. I agree it ought to be tweaked quite a bit, but the solutions I think of would lead to a unbalancing affect on smaller factions or making it entirely too easy for anyone to loot others chests.

I love that you seem to consider yourself better than me simply because I choose to make enemies on a PvP server instead of trying to be carebear.

On October 14 2011 03:11 Superouman wrote:
Personally, i scout the bases of the enemies (when i can find it lolo) to find their weak points before the war.

On October 14 2011 00:04 NoobieOne wrote:
here is my take on the battle. You guys were horribly coordinated. One of the advantages you have as an attacker is you choose the point of attack. When we attacked people we would wait and hide ourselves hitting at multiple points at once. For example in our raid against the faction Infinity we Ender Pearled 2 of our members on top of their base while the rest of us climbed a ladder we set up. When they were defending they were mostly guarding the ladder we set up on the side of the base and when 2 members ender pearled they all moved over to guard that letting us climb the ladder.

In that raid against us you had 3 penetration spots. The hole in the wall, underground into our chest room near our f home and in the farm downstairs. Combined you mostly only hit the hole in the wall which was our best defended point. Eventually about 30 or so minutes into the fight I secured the farm but there were still only 3 of us there. The three of us were well coordonated but whenever you attacked at the front 2 of us had to come to support. Now if you hit all three points at the same time you could have easily done better.

Overall what lost you the battle was the lack of raid experience and attacking into the strongest points of our defense. Even with these disadvantages you almost broke through in two occasions which only failed when 2 of our members were able to take out 8 then 6 attacking people respectively. If you had cleaned up those 2 members without much in the way of losses each time then you would have established somewhat of a foothold across our wall.