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On October 14 2011 08:26 Soulfire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 08:16 GigaFlop wrote:On October 14 2011 08:10 Soulfire wrote:On October 14 2011 07:51 Ig wrote:On October 14 2011 07:40 DeandreT wrote:
/warp ALA is still enabled and I just got killed by Exodus because people can teleport to our base whenever the hell they please. The server is fine without these totems and abusive plugins that the admins use. The Loners were not unbalanced, it was just that all the other factions are horrible at this game and need to play more Starcraft before even attempting to play such a complex game as Minecraft.
Anyways, I'm off for now. Great idea, not so great execution. Manner please, head out of your ass as well. Gonna have to second that. Loner attitude isn't even entertaining anymore; it's just annoying as shit. Why don't you do something about it, hm? Why don't you people organize something on your own, and come kick us off our high horse? Our horse is SO much higher than yours. Look at our horse, our horse is amazing! Doubtless Loners would still talk shit even if you guys were kicked off your high horse, as if that's even possible. TBH, what would anybody even acquire by "winning" a siege? That base is nothing special, and you guys could just make another one like it in less than an hour. With numbers like that you can make up any loss.
I believe that we are strong because we can work together really well, we know who to listen to and whatnot. And if you won the siege, you would basically get all of our shit from our chests. I don't know the extent quite, but I'm sure you could build several small holdfasts in the wilderness with the cobble gained.
I'm going to let you guys in on something we were talking about in our TS channel. We believe we are the best faction in terms of organization and coordination. We know how to work together, and we think that this is one of the big advantages. I remember saying myself that I think all other players are not playing with a PvP mindset. I think that they are trying to play solo minecraft with other people on a server.
Loners are a tight-knit group of friends, and we all are nice with each other. We share what we have, and we respect each other. We know not to loot each other's personal chests(which there are very few of), and we know to put mined resources into the respective chests. We have one person dedicated to repairing, too, so we put all damaged armor into the appropriate chests, and take a new set from another chest. It doesn't matter to us if we lose a diamond sword and a set of iron armor, we have more than enough resources to replace them.
We enjoy playing together, and one facet of the server, in my eyes, is the PvP. We network together when we want to, and we organize raids if we want. We enjoy the thrill of an attack, because it is one of few things that pose a challenge to us. Know why? Nobody wants to challenge us. It gets boring when people don't challenge our authority, so we go challenge theirs. It's gotten to a point where people hate us for this. That's fine. But please, don't blame us for your incompetence. Don't blame us for your inability to assault us, even with the assistance of a moderator. I don't mind that irninja helped you guys out. It encouraged you guys to attack us, which rarely happens. What disappoints me is that you blame US for being 'too good'. I see it as you all not working together, and not planning properly. I see it as you all not being able to organize a proper attack. Even with the help of an admin, you weren't able to break us.
I think that you are all just a bunch of casual players who don't really want to organize together. You all want to go of on your own and not fight with anyone, which is what happened map1. I remember irninja saying that he wanted more PvP going on, more wars and more disputes. With so many little factions off on their own, PvP was mainly raiding parties going in and stealing other people's stuff, or 1v1/2v1 in the wilderness against random people. It was rarely ever a coordinated assault against one group or another until the final day. Even then, it didn't work very well due to organization. THO was well coordinated in their defense, and managed to build a wall to the top of the sky in only one hour. Protentus, my new leader, told me that the only people he considers a legitimate threat is THO, and I think it is because they are able to rally together and get things done when need be.
I think it's unfair that people want Loners disbanded. You are asking to split up a close-knit group of friends who enjoy playing with each other. You are not asking a bunch of war-mongers to war against each other. We raid and pillage because the server allows us to, and that gives us something fun to do. It isn't really a challenge to dig out what will be nearly the entire section of the map we have claimed, but it's a challenge to walk into someone's base and steal their valuables from them in order to further our empire. I would personally like all of you complaining to just shut up and get better at PvP. If you don't like PvP, then join a non-PvP faction. If you do, though, don't get overly upset if someone attacks and overruns you. If you don't want to get slaughtered like sheep, then align yourselves with someone who can protect you without help from above. It's up to you guys to stand up to us, we're playing by the rules. We like being in the seat of power. However, we don't like not being challenged every now and again. We don't like when people blame outside factors for what is clearly their own fault.
Loners are not OP. There is no fair patch that can be applied to bring us down to your level. The reason we do well is because we work together. We may have the most time as a faction logged on to the server, but that is because we care about this. We are actually serious about this. We don't want to change to accommodate your incompetence. Either get your acts together, or stop complaining about us. We are not OP, we are not IMBA. If you really want to nerf us into the ground, take out Teamspeak and chat, because that's what we use to talk with each other. If none of you want to be serious enough to use the free tools that irninja had provided you to coordinate with each other, then ask him to lock the teamspeak, and make it harder for us to actually talk and have fun with each other. In fact, why not just remove chat from the game altogether? Why not remove TS as well? Make us go get VOIP or IRC to deal with everyone whining about us. It's not like any of you really care enough to get your own, or at least ask for a private channel.
I am sitting here asking you all to learn how to communicate on a basic level with each other, so you can get your shit together. I am asking you all to use Teamspeak, so you can talk more effectively with one another. I am also asking you to stop whining about us being 'too good' or 'too serious' about this server.
It's our choice what we put our time into, and I for one am glad that irninja has provided this server and TS for us. What I don't like is how you all whine to him about things not going your way. If you want to get things done, then spend more time playing. Just like any other game, spend time to get better. If you don't care about improvement or accomplishment, then don't whine if you don't get it. Work for what you want. If you want Loners dead, work for it. Don't just ask for us to be removed. If you don't want to be invaded, work for it. Build up your defenses, and train your combat. If you don't want to do that, then don't get so upset if someone in another faction takes advantage and pillages your settlement. Shit happens, it's up to you do do something about it. I have half a mind to go build a monument to the ego of the loners right outside Andorhal, for all to see. However, I don't feel like doing that right now. I feel like getting some iced tea, checking my emails and facebook, and then working on our giant mineshaft.
Have a nice day.
tl;dr + Show Spoiler +Go read the whole thing, you lazy ass.
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Just to add a little bit to what GigaFlop said in the post above.
I see a lot of people whining that Loners are being elitist or rubbing it in whenever we do something on the server, I believe that people take this way too seriously on the server and in this thread as we are merely role playing, people really need to grow up.
I believe that one of the highest factors in the success of Loners has been due to our trusting nature, we have taken members in (not in a zerging factor) and have given members a free roam to do what they please within the faction with only some very small rules in order to make the server more enjoyable for everyone on the server, I want to ask people and have them respond HONESTLY, if loners had not been so aggressive in the game, would ANY of you really done any PvP?
I believe that the answer will be a resounding no, We went out with the intention of creating enemies and also making allies, the game is about war and diplomacy not cuddles and chocolates.
A lot of people started complaining that we were spawn killing and not being punished for it and that we were waiting until the admins weren't online to exact justice upon us, so due to this fact and with the intention of keeping players on the server and having new players have a nicer place to come into i internally banned the killing of unarmed/unguarded players in the spawn area.
Loners have tried their very hardest to create drama and excitement for the server and throughout the entire time we have gotten shit on by every other person ON that server and I feel that the hate towards us is totally unjustified, Sure, hate on us if we raiding or laying siege at your base and we came out victorious but there is too much hate towards the PEOPLE in loners, rather than the RP faction that IS Loners.
Personally, I have done everything within my powers (As a mere peon on the server) to make and sustain the wonderful community that we have on the server, there are a select few members in Loners who sometimes take things a bit too far but they get put in their place and you can ask ANY member about this, I make sure to tell them when their being assholes.
As it stands, the only option for Loners is to disband into 2 different factions due to the amount of crying and whining that players on the server have been doing, I am disgusted at the attitude of the players on this server, there have been many players messaging me privately on TS/MC/Skype/TL talking smack to me and telling me that Loners needs to be disbanded and well, look here, you might just get your wish.
But let me leave you with this, we play this game to have fun and to be part of a nice community, due to the possible disbanding of Loners all our players feel so disappointed and unwelcome that we have already started to lose members and these are people that I care about, we have created our own small community of people that enjoy playing together and certain people on the server have ruined it for us, the very community that we have been trying to hold together and better have in turn stabbed US in the back.
So a swift fuck you to all those people, you inept and spineless assholes.
I'm not sure whether I will continue playing until people start respecting the player base, both admin, members and donators alike.
And to think, that I wanted to put my own time and effort into creating events and fun things for people to do on the server when they treat me and the faction like this, those people who have messaged me via any means with some of the things you have said, they would make Charles Manson turn over in his grave, shame on you all.
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I haven't played, but I've been following the drama. The above two posts were a long time in coming, and I wish luck to all the Loners, and any factions that rise to be as coordinated.
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I think something that hurts the server is that building an actual base on land that would be totally badass in real life actually hurts you on this server.
On this server you can hole yourself up under the desert or at very top of a mountain and be practically unkillable. I don't blame people for doing this because it is the strongest defense but I think it kills the fun factor of trying to siege a castle or fort.
Who really want to try and climb a mountain and slowly (very slowly) dig a whole into a base that might work once but then is immediately patched up.
It really sets up for uneventful pvp. I think the AoE bleed skill on swords is pretty unbalanced as well. People would immediately log off once poisoned which really is exploiting the system.
I think if arrows were plentiful and you removed sword skills and actually had 2 factions with real forts then the pvp would be fucking incredible.
I feel OldBlood was a pretty badass faction. Absorbing another faction hurt us imo. Its not that I don't like the new members it is just that I think the 6-8 original people just worked so well together that adding a lot of new people just kinda made us into a clusterfuck and unorganised.
The whole push to have larger factions was really detrimental to server health. On original map we had a lot of 5-7 member factions who could band together easily and the powers would fluctuate more. Now with new system I have not seen OldBlood power drop below 100 just because we have so much fluff with numbers. This was not intentional because we thought power was capped at 100 and would drop if anyone died. If this was the case Loners would be gone a couple days ago I think and then any faction with a few people could do damage to Loners and eventually their power would always be low and in a constant state of being taken over.
What needs to happen to refresh server is this.
No Central/Main Town-This is what hurt the server the most. I think if people joined and wandered off or possibly have different spawn areas the server could be more dynamic. If we wanted trade we would have to go to towns we are allied or neutral with. Merchant factions would make more sense then.
Power needs to have more impact. Right now it regenerates too fast. Also very easy to have 20 land and never have it taken over if you have 2-3 people who aren't very active and don't take part in pvp.
Faction Cap would help but I don't think this in needed for server to survive.
This is all just my opinions from someone who has never ran a server and likely won't.
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On October 14 2011 10:30 Brambled wrote:
I feel OldBlood was a pretty badass faction. Absorbing another faction hurt us imo. Its not that I don't like the new members it is just that I think the 6-8 original people just worked so well together that adding a lot of new people just kinda made us into a clusterfuck and unorganised.
It's kinda funny that you mention that in particular. As a less active member of Loners, I've got alot of other things on my plate, I think that this could have really hurt Loners aswell. However, because of WHO we absorbed we already had a good relationship with many of the players that joined ( known as a group as the Ravens) as well as a couple others that were friendly individually and get what we are about.
To be a organized group you just need to create a hierarchy and enforce it. In the last server we had a funny system that reminded people of their place jokingly ofc. I'll describe it to you, in our last base we had only 1 ladder that went from bedrock to the peak and it would constantly glitch out and send both or several players ALL the way to the top if they bumped into one another. Now as a PVP oriented faction our defense was of utmost importance and as such we didnt make our ladder 2 or 3x larger, no, instead we determined that the more senior player would ALWAYS have right of way on the ladder no matter what. Of course this was not enforced in every circumstance but it did enforce the hierarchy of the faction when the player deemed it necessary. This base idea is what lead us to succeed in the first round and will the idea will continue to be propagated now that we have a core group of members.
That was alot longer then intended and probably made no sense... but meh.
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As someone who just recently joined in on the TL minecraft server, I want to add my two cents on Loners.
I joined a few other factions (under my psyonicreaver name and other alias which shall remain unknown) and I found the majority of people on this server to be mining carebears. I only ever heard this "Man, those Loners always causing trouble, drama, etc etc"
I come from a VERY PvP mindset of Ultima Online, DAoC, and Darkfall. (And Starcraft!) I love to fight. I love to just FUCK people over. I love being the best or, if not the best, helping my guild be the best.
Thats why I joined Loners. They are the only ones taking this seriously. They are the only ones willing to actually make this a PvP server and not a carebear server.
So put on your big boy pants. Stop having your periods. Get organized and fucking do something about us IN game. Stop whining to Admins who I'm sure are tired of your bitching.
Bring it.
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Hey ninja, since the recent server inactivity I think a cool suggestion would be to make the server more PVP oriented and less PVE oriented, like Guild Wars 2 - style PVP since you know how that will work. If you think about it, like half the game is still PVE, and it's like the content is cleared for most people (which I think is contributing to the drop in inactivity, although other things obviously are too).
This would also be a great way to bring about the changes reaver suggested above me in encouraging PVP and get rid of all the PVE'ers who don't ever PVP. Right now, the PVE aspect handicaps the PVP far too much except in the case of the battlegrounds, but I think most people agree that world pvp is better.
Some people may agree, others may disagree, just some thoughts, but as it is now (a PVE-PVP hybrid game), there are just too many necessary rules that conflict with the progression of PVP because of PVE.
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Not that I mind, but it is my 3rd day on the server, and somebody has looted my small underground home. It has no obvious entrance, and the chest I had buried ~4-5 blocks into a random wall was looted (that was the only wall they touched). Just out of curiosity, is there a possibility this was done legitimately? I only lost ~11 diamonds and some wheat, but it annoyed me somewhat that this seemed like obvious xraying.
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On October 14 2011 12:56 xilaratu wrote:
Not that I mind, but it is my 3rd day on the server, and somebody has looted my small underground home. It has no obvious entrance, and the chest I had buried ~4-5 blocks into a random wall was looted (that was the only wall they touched). Just out of curiosity, is there a possibility this was done legitimately? I only lost ~11 diamonds and some wheat, but it annoyed me somewhat that this seemed like obvious xraying.
I think someone x-rayed my shit too. He didn't even dig randomly to find all the hidden loot, he dug holes EXACTLY where the hidden stuff was.
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i think the problem is that the map is simply too big.
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On October 14 2011 13:00 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 12:56 xilaratu wrote:
Not that I mind, but it is my 3rd day on the server, and somebody has looted my small underground home. It has no obvious entrance, and the chest I had buried ~4-5 blocks into a random wall was looted (that was the only wall they touched). Just out of curiosity, is there a possibility this was done legitimately? I only lost ~11 diamonds and some wheat, but it annoyed me somewhat that this seemed like obvious xraying. I think someone x-rayed my shit too. He didn't even dig randomly to find all the hidden loot, he dug holes EXACTLY where the hidden stuff was.
Sucks, I think claiming should protect against that  .
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Loladrian and xari Yes it was a problem before which is why we are back on the old system.
/f create [faction name here]
/f claim (claims your land)
/f sethome
Never let your power go BELOW your amount of land. If you have 8 land and only 4 power. You know have 4 available land for ANYONE to claim.
Doing this however will allow you to put a chest on your land that no one can touch unless what I stated above happens to your chest room.
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You and your fellow factions start to feel the world shake beneath your feet... What the --?. You've heard the old tales of the "passage" and heard the rumors... could this possibly be a sign?
I wonder what could possibly happen?
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I'm not gonna quote what Giga and Protentus said since it's so long but I will say I don't have a problem with Loners as a whole, only the ones who go past any RP and just plain act like dicks. PMing as you said people did is pretty bm since some people seemed pleasant enough. You guys do take too much credit though by saying that nobody would PvP without you guys - people would still kill each other but it would admittedly be on a smaller scale comprised mainly of skirmishes and ambushes. This raises another point - I don't get why we're pushing for large scale faction wars with this population we have, the max large factions that could actually be created is probably 4 and with the level of activity a lot of people have, it would be more like 2 for the "epic action" people seem to want with big factions.
It's also kinda boring on the server, I mean the admins are frequently in the Loners teamspeak channel and with everyone divided into channels nobody ever talks. A bit before this post, there seems to be something going on that sounds rather fun, but it seems like no effort is made to include others after the initial grouping, who happen to be mostly Loners. The server just feels like it's organized into: Admins, their friends the Loners, and some random dudes. I appreciate the effort the admins put in, but you just can't get past that this is what the server feels like, it's just not that fun - unless you're in Loners, and they're not recruiting.
Organization is always an issue, when you have one or a few dominant factions/guilds in any game, everyone is going to want to join those instead of making their own. The problem is those factions won't necessarily want all those people and so you have a few independents and a bunch of ragtag groups that are easy prey. I personally just wanted to do my own thing with some PvP, and I'm not against PvP as people have implied. It would indeed be rude and not fun at all to force Loners to split, but right now with their level of activity there's just nobody to oppose them so they could have free reign if they wanted it, and they basically do. Several smaller factions as said above may be better if they're all fairly active, but then that would require Loners to disband which would suck.
Raiding and pillaging is a part of faction PvP, but instances of it disproportionally punish newbies and small factions, it kinda ruins it for them when they finally get some stocks of resources and then just get cleaned out. They lack the manpower to quickly replenish lost items and start losing interest, some get mad too. The lack of manpower also forces them to spend more time on building and gathering after each raid, reducing the time actually "participating" in PvP. Yeah we need more PvP activity, but currently there's just no way people can win vs Loners since they're typically more active and usually have the most active people online as well.
I also don't get why we have Aiur and FarmersInc as peaceful factions. Nothing against them but what's the point of leaving in peaceful factions when we keep pushing for more PvP? If they don't want to get raided or whatever just hide things or be partially hidden and farther out than the big bases. Why should they be free from any threats on a PvP server? Aiur seems to offer nice service for the redstone challenged, but that's about it and doesn't require people to be unattackable. It's not like there's a serious market for bread and melon either, and Aiur guys aren't on much  .
Psyonic Reaver, enough with the accusations of people being carebears, it's distasteful. Ironically, a lot of those people who "strive to be the best" at PvP and love to fuck people over are nowhere near the best and end up just being average dicks, which is what the more bad mannered members of Loners basically are (to outsiders), with the advantage of numbers over individuals like me who don't like how their attitudes. Reaver, you're just stroking your ego so get over yourself, you don't have to flex your e-peen on the forums. Bragging about organization and skill in minecraft is hilarious too, it's minecraft haha, like seriously? It sure helps some with sieges but to just gloat with it?
Power should also only be lost when killed by a player, not from environment. This would save a lot of people a lot of time.
in b4 u mad
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I'm almost never in the Loners channel unless theres an issue or event, and with Loners theres always something because theyre so large. Its not because I favor them, quite the opposite actually. It just because problems and solutions always revolve around them.
And yes, the entire dynamic of the world is going to change very soon and spice things up. No spoilers however. No, were not resetting, no your not losing anything... except your sanity.
The main town may not survive this calamity.
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On October 14 2011 17:31 irninja wrote:
I'm almost never in the Loners channel unless theres an issue or event, and with Loners theres always something because theyre so large. Its not because I favor them, quite the opposite actually. It just because problems and solutions always revolve around them.
And yes, the entire dynamic of the world is going to change very soon and spice things up. No spoilers however. No, were not resetting, no your not losing anything... except your sanity.
The main town may not survive this calamity.
Depending on how long that will be, could you do something about the market? At the moment like one guy owns half the chests and there aren't nearly enough chests to go around even if that wasn't the case.
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I see alot of whining going on!
I for one can't wait for the admin's changes. I wonder, when Notch will add dragons, will we have dragons too?
Oh and also, I think Loners are right, to some extent. Many people aren't just very committed to the server, even though it doesn't take a billion hours to do so, just 1 or 2 per day, with TS on.
However, you have to admit that a certain kind of attitude is not "being competitive" anymore, it's just plain bullying, like making 3 towers near the market, or things like that.
You also need to understand that being a "casual" gamer is not a despicable thing, and is a very healthy way of life : )
My kind regards!
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Where the hell did our 50 chickens go? they all vanished while I was asleep...
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Hopefully Loners will have some kind of power struggle and split up a bit, would make for some awesome wars xD
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I tought mob farms were illigal?
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