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Really? People are complaining about Loners? Yeah theyre aggresive but they are really easy to out smart... They fight with no real plan from what Ive seen. Just takes planning on the defenders side or if you want to attack them. Not that hard guys...
The only advantage is they have really high power because of all the members they have. Also they have a mob spawner which from I remember we got in trouble for having... but the admins like Loners so they spoil them. haha Dont feed into them... theyre a bunch of cry babies really. haha so easy to piss them off.
Dont take them so seriously....
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can everyone please refrain from personal insults. I am getting sick of the personal hits and it really isn't making this server a valid community. I really wish that personal insults will be taken more harshly.
On October 15 2011 05:14 TimeBombStereo wrote: Really? People are complaining about Loners? Yeah theyre aggresive but they are really easy to out smart... They fight with no real plan from what Ive seen. Just takes planning on the defenders side or if you want to attack them. Not that hard guys...
The only advantage is they have really high power because of all the members they have. Also they have a mob spawner which from I remember we got in trouble for having... but the admins like Loners so they spoil them. haha Dont feed into them... theyre a bunch of cry babies really. haha so easy to piss them off.
Dont take them so seriously....
1. We do not have a mob spawner. we just have a HUGE dark area that mobs spawn in unintentionally.
2. Admins are neutral and some of them even want to bring us down. Jezereth formed a faction with the pure objective of attacking us.
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It's probably because anyone can spend mad amounts of time talking trash/flaming/trolling in a heated situation, and then later say "oh it was just a joke, lighten up buddy!"
True or not, it just isn't something most people are going to take kindly and accept "oh you said you were just kidding, no issue then you can say whatever you want in the heat of the moment as long as you admit you were just kidding later" as an acceptable attitude to behave by.
I think most people enjoy PVP on the server though, it is a TL PvP server after all, which is all about competition.
That is true. Expressing heated comments because of a "rush" then passing it off later as a "joke" is something I agree on you with: it's not well recieved for obvious reasons.
In that light I can see how it further increases the enmity towards Loners, althought we don't really care about the evil stares from the majority of the community what bothers us is that none seem to take the flag and attempt to sort it out on the battlefield. A good reason is as presented: We are Many. Which is why the Loners splitting has been even posted on this forum, we have no intention on wanting to sit on a mountain and attempt to throw insults at others to try and rile them up sufficiently to ignore the possible losses they might suffer when attacking us (You Do lose alot of resources attacking, we know).
The fact that we Are on a mountain and we're not being actively pursuited as a possible Target by other factions is well...not making us try less at riling people up against us. The ALA attack failed horribly as reasons posted previously. That didn't help, for any of us.
But when it boils down too it, I know that the members of Loners i'm on good terms aren't the type that expresses flame/trash/etc to insult in a heated moment. We're majority level-headed, we might just not come to...consensus with the rest of the server on what levels trashtalking is decent.
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On October 15 2011 05:19 NoobieOne wrote:can everyone please refrain from personal insults. I am getting sick of the personal hits and it really isn't making this server a valid community. I really wish that personal insults will be taken more harshly. Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 05:14 TimeBombStereo wrote: Really? People are complaining about Loners? Yeah theyre aggresive but they are really easy to out smart... They fight with no real plan from what Ive seen. Just takes planning on the defenders side or if you want to attack them. Not that hard guys...
The only advantage is they have really high power because of all the members they have. Also they have a mob spawner which from I remember we got in trouble for having... but the admins like Loners so they spoil them. haha Dont feed into them... theyre a bunch of cry babies really. haha so easy to piss them off.
Dont take them so seriously.... 1. We do not have a mob spawner. we just have a HUGE dark area that mobs spawn in unintentionally. 2. Admins are neutral and some of them even want to bring us down. Jezereth formed a faction with the pure objective of attacking us.
Unintentionally or intentionally it's still working as a mob spawner.
Dont think they are neutral. He admitted to it on a past post. I think the admins shouldnt be using there power to get people together and start a server vx x war. it should happen on it's own if it is going to happen.
I like the Loners. It was fun, and had many laughs pissing you guys off (Not gonna lie I raged a few times too.) But never took any of it seriously at the end of the day. I think it's your leader that makes the Loners look bad. Seems like he takes this a bit too seriously, and is a crybaby most of the time which is why I never took him seriously either ha. I'm sure you are all cool people though.
I main point is this server needs tos top taking it to seriously, and just plan out your attacks insted of just saying. "Lets go attack them!" with no plan... In round 1 THO always planned out the attacks or what we would do if a attack happen to us. Really isn't that hard.
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On October 15 2011 05:14 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:This. I'm having fun. You're having fun hating me. So you're gonna gang up on me ingame to kill me, which gives me PvP which is what I want. So we're all happy. And to whoever said Minecraft isn't serious. Then don't play on a PvP server. LOL. I hear the same retarded arguments about SC2 and Darkfall and LoL and ANY other competitive game and it just blows my mind. If you want to play casual, that's fine. Play casual. If you want a carebear server, go play on a carebear server, but if you're gonna play ranked games or play on a big boy server, man up.
I think you're under the illusion that other people aren't having fun too (in enjoying the actual game), when they are. Also, I don't think anyone really hates anyone (or at least I hope not).
Something doesn't have to be taken seriously to be enjoyed, so no one really needs to stop playing on a PVP server just because they don't think it's very serious. It's not very difficult to casually compete in minecraft due to it's highly simplistic nature.
I've never played darkfall, but you can't really put LoL or this in the same league of SC2 either. SC2 is a purely competitive game, and the way the server is run now isn't purely competitive.
The game is somewhat competitive, sure, but I don't think anyone is really crying about it being too hardcore, in fact I personally think it's too casual/carebear, especially with all the silly rules restricting PVP. So this isn't really a big boy server that compares to ranked games.
If you want an example of a truly hardcore MMO that doesn't really cater to casuals/carebears, try out Eve online (TL actually has an amazing corps for it as well).
2. Admins are neutral and some of them even want to bring us down. Jezereth formed a faction with the pure objective of attacking us.
I'd just like to point out that he formed a large disorganized mob and pointed it in the direction of your base and then had very little to do with it except taking part in the disorganized mob, which is actually what you've been asking for ever since the server went up. Explain how that is an example of them wanting to bring you down? It seems a lot more like they were just appeasing you in that example, even helping you out by having a third of the server suicide into organized defenses under no centralized leadership (that he should have provided).
On October 15 2011 05:21 Zachris wrote:Show nested quote + It's probably because anyone can spend mad amounts of time talking trash/flaming/trolling in a heated situation, and then later say "oh it was just a joke, lighten up buddy!"
True or not, it just isn't something most people are going to take kindly and accept "oh you said you were just kidding, no issue then you can say whatever you want in the heat of the moment as long as you admit you were just kidding later" as an acceptable attitude to behave by.
I think most people enjoy PVP on the server though, it is a TL PvP server after all, which is all about competition.
In that light I can see how it further increases the enmity towards Loners, althought we don't really care about the evil stares from the majority of the community what bothers us is that none seem to take the flag and attempt to sort it out on the battlefield. A good reason is as presented: We are Many. Which is why the Loners splitting has been even posted on this forum, we have no intention on wanting to sit on a mountain and attempt to throw insults at others to try and rile them up sufficiently to ignore the possible losses they might suffer when attacking us (You Do lose alot of resources attacking, we know).
You should be careful with the term "none", because I, and I'm sure others, have always been willing to PVP and take it to the battlefield. I think you're confusing "no one wants fight us because we have an obvious advantage of numbers or gear" with "no one wants to fight us period". Just last night I had several friendly duels with some of loners who were willing to oblige to cut down on their equipment in order to level the playing field after blobbing me out of the means to compete in equal gear.
No, you shouldn't be forced to give up numerical or gear advantages because others lack the same means you do, but you shouldn't blame them for not wanting to engage you in PvP in clearly unfavorable circumstances when it's just common sense to not attack an army of immortals with an army of stalkers, or an army twice the size, assuming all other things equal.
You've all been mistaking those logical decisions, which are actually signs of a good PvPer (knowing when to fight and when not to fight), with being unwilling to PvP at all, since day one.
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Is there a newer server map available? The in the OP is ooold.
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On October 15 2011 05:14 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:This. I'm having fun. You're having fun hating me. So you're gonna gang up on me ingame to kill me, which gives me PvP which is what I want. So we're all happy. And to whoever said Minecraft isn't serious. Then don't play on a PvP server. LOL. I hear the same retarded arguments about SC2 and Darkfall and LoL and ANY other competitive game and it just blows my mind. If you want to play casual, that's fine. Play casual. If you want a carebear server, go play on a carebear server, but if you're gonna play ranked games or play on a big boy server, man up. It's funny to hate on you because you sound so childish and stupid. The way you talk just makes me think you're a 14 year old who just got Call of Duty and wants to be superhardcore#1killstreak while acting like they have the most skill when in reality they're just noob-tubing and talking shit. A rather poor comparison but you get the point. You're confusing "being a dick" with "being competitive." I hear the same retarded rhetoric you're spouting from tryhards in SC2, Darkfall, LoL, WoW and more. You know why there's a negative stereotype about gamers being all raging nerds? It's people like you who think fucking someone else over and being a douche 24/7 is what you should do. The way you put it, CombatEx is the best player ever because he just wins so much right? TL as a community is fairly nice because (most) people who are giant dicks and say stupid shit are banned, keep that in mind.
The comparison with the MMOs is fairly legitimate, people who think Minecraft PvP is hardcore are idiots. Unless you define hardcore purely as "you lose all your stuff," Runescape is way more hardcore. Minecraft isn't serious, it's Minecraft. I never understood why people thought losing items made things way more hardcore, it just meant that you'd spend less time PvPing because you lost your stuff and have to replace it.
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Sounds like this PvP server is dead before it started...one faction takes over, griefs, and everyone else stops playing. Sounds like fun.
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Oh no, this is just a bunch of whiners who have been arguiging for pages. The rest of us is having lots of fun. : )
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On October 15 2011 08:12 Kukaracha wrote: Oh no, this is just a bunch of whiners who have been arguiging for pages. The rest of us is having lots of fun. : ) Haters be hatin.
YMCA has a point, our population isn't high enough to counter that.
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Suggestions for fixes:
* Teleport 32 block restriction does not apply in the spawn safezone, to help prevent spawncamping.
* Positive power does not regenerate and is only regained by killing enemies.
* Negative power only regenerates on land claimed by your faction.
* Keep the restriction that all claimed land must be contiguous.
* Map 1 Mapsize
* Factions are capped at 100 power, and people are rounded to meet that; for example, the max power of any person in a 20-person faction would be 5. However, their minimum would still be -20, so after 5 people dropped to -20 the faction would have 0 power.
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Can we implement something? I would like a /dnd command that mutes all chat that isn't faction-chat or PM's/server messages. I'm getting tired of having chat flowing over my screen when I'm trying to work...
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Faction power solutions:
1: Have a cap on max members, like 10 2: Decrease player max power (and through that max faction power) but leave power lost on death the same. This way your current faction power is way more volatile 3: Have factions start with a basic power of f.e. 40 and have every member add less power than now (like option 2) 4: Have the power missing per member subtract from a static faction power level once factions get above f.e. 100 max power. This way having more members is good for battles/activity, but risky as you're more likely to be lower on power. (I mean if a faction has 20 members, but it's power is capped at 100 and a member dies and has 6/10 power, the faction now has 96 power)
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On October 15 2011 02:21 GigaFlop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:17 Lyter wrote: Couldn't give a shit about how aggressive Loners are in game, thats fine, be as pvp focused as you like. What I do give a shit about is how up their own asses Loners come across whenever they write anything, be it in ingame chat or in this thread, you guys can't seriously wonder why everyone hates you when you talk down at everyone else on the server despite not actually knowing what goes on.
My faction participates in pvp and raids almost daily, but you don't know about it because we don't shove it down everyones throats. And damn right no-one wants to attack Loners, there are like fucking 30 of you who are online 24/7, that would be the stupidest move anyone on the server in any faction could do when they are outnumbered so heavily, but we have defended our allies from you in the past and we would do so again if we had to, we are organised and hell I'd probably say we're better than you. We have 15 members... And only two or three including myself are online as of writing. Could you please also explain how we are 'up our own asses' as well? I don't see what you mean.
Easy.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2011 02:46 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: I am drinking your tears. They are delicious. On October 14 2011 11:40 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: As someone who just recently joined in on the TL minecraft server, I want to add my two cents on Loners.
I joined a few other factions (under my psyonicreaver name and other alias which shall remain unknown) and I found the majority of people on this server to be mining carebears. I only ever heard this "Man, those Loners always causing trouble, drama, etc etc"
I come from a VERY PvP mindset of Ultima Online, DAoC, and Darkfall. (And Starcraft!) I love to fight. I love to just FUCK people over. I love being the best or, if not the best, helping my guild be the best.
Thats why I joined Loners. They are the only ones taking this seriously. They are the only ones willing to actually make this a PvP server and not a carebear server.
So put on your big boy pants. Stop having your periods. Get organized and fucking do something about us IN game. Stop whining to Admins who I'm sure are tired of your bitching.
Bring it. On October 12 2011 09:19 Sprungjeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 08:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On October 12 2011 07:59 Sprungjeezy wrote:On October 12 2011 07:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On October 12 2011 07:13 protentus wrote:I find it amusing that Loners annihilated templar on the first day and that they are still using stone swords  You are misusing the word annihilate, you beat us in one battle (after we had just beaten you in one) and stole all our diamond/iron, but by no means is that annihilating us, and I only use stone swords in town because I don't want an admin to slay me in the city with a diamond sword since they tend to like going after Templar who break neutrality more than they do loners who break neutrality. If you had annihilated us, we would no longer exist as a faction, but the reality is that we're even stronger now than before you attacked us (and also have a lot more iron/diamond than before) You should know better that we have plenty of diamond swords though because I personally killed you with one last night =) It's just a matter of common sense, if you want an expendable scout to poke around with, you send a zergling (iron sword), not an ultralisk (diamond sword). I suppose some people lack certain resource management skills though, and a little amusing if you think about the above example. You're adorable, annihilate = destroy completely, utterly, did we or did we not kill all of your members and take the majority of all you had (the loot is irrelevant to the use of annihilate as we did not destroy the templars and their loot, but destroyed the templars, also not to be mistaken for Templar the faction, but the members of Templar, the templars). I find it cute when someone has to defend themselves by saying stuff like "your point is irrelevant because in my opinion you are misusing a term, thus your point is nullified."
Also curious, do Templars intend to raid us? I would gladly lead you guys to our base, its a lot easier to loot corpses the closer they are to our spawn, so if you want I can show you where it is and save both of us some trouble. Your bold sentence really makes me believe that you didn't understand my post at all. I'll try to explain this as best I can and give you the benefit of the doubt that you are capable of understanding if I can explain this clearly enough. So, where to begin? Protentus' post is essentially representing two things, a brag of personal achievement in PVP and at the same time a mockery the defeated party's ability to recuperate from said defeat. He does this based on two claims, one that his faction "annihilated" ours and another that it's amusing that ever since said annihilation, we have been reduced to stone weaponry. It appears you have no problem with my refutation of the second claim (which was probably more of a jokeful, though bm, jab than a serious argument), so I will address your concerns with my refutation of the first. Now, in the beginning of the bold, you are correct that I am defending myself because I have argued that these assumptions are not true. Where you go incorrect, however, is the claim that I do this by saying "your point is irrelevant because in my opinion you are misusing a term", which is actually a failed representation of my argument. In no way am I denying the essence of his argument that we were defeated, a fact I actually emphasize in my post when I concede that you defeated us in battle (which you clearly misread or failed to comprehend the significance of when making your post). What I do deny is the nature of our defeat being an annihilation, assuming the definition of annihilation being one such that an entity that is annihilated ceases to exist after annihilation. It's obvious that under this definition, you did not annihilate us and I believe I adequately explained why this would be the case in my previous post. However, you insist that both loot and the actual faction are irrelevant to the use of the word annihilate, only the members within the faction are relevant. I grant you, if we use this definition of "annihilate", it is true, you annihilated us in battle, but under this same definition it is also true that before you annihilated us in battle, we annihilated you in the battle of Andorhal, in addition to claiming the field. So, I can grant you the fact that you annihilated us after we annihilated you (which sounds absurd if you use the proper definition of annihilate), though I doubt you will accept such conclusion even though it is true that we killed and routed your entire army from Andorhal, which is completely compatible with the definition you gave. As for our intentions, I cannot speak for each individual member's intentions, but I personally have no intent of raiding the Loner base without a drastically significant numerical advantage. If you actually care, I am willing to provide you with the reasons why I have no intent of besieging your castle without said advantage, but if you give it a small amount of thought I'm sure you could come up with the reasons yourself as they are not necessarily difficult to discover. What sounds much funner to me is battle in the wilderness, and I'm sure you would agree that it isn't a poor substitute for your suggestion. tl;dr. We annihilated the shit out of Templar. User was warned for this post
If you've been reading the thread since the server reset there's a lot more posts similar to those. Basically, the most vocal Loners are the reason why I don't like the faction. They make the whole guild look like douchebags.
And y'all think Minecraft pvp is srs business? There's no skill required for PvP at all. Any retard can aim the crosshair and swing a sword.
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On October 15 2011 08:23 GigaFlop wrote: Can we implement something? I would like a /dnd command that mutes all chat that isn't faction-chat or PM's/server messages. I'm getting tired of having chat flowing over my screen when I'm trying to work... Here's a response some of your members may be familiar with: suck it up, tough break.
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I have no faction or home, and of 5 people online in Loners, none will duel me, I've been PvPing in the city for an hour at least. If I win, I lose everything, if they win, they lose one of their many armor sets.
Why do you claim to be the PvP faction of the server exactly? The justifications are "I don't want to give you more stuff if you win" and "I'm too busy building roads (PvE)". Please, at least walk the walk if you're going to talk so much trash, this has happened too many times the past couple days (I'd prefer you'd stop talking trash, but if you must keep doing it, at least come kill me, my armor is at half durability and I'm definitely not the strongest PvPer).
Edit: SadBadMan just logged on and has agreed to honor me with a duel. Thank you for walking the walk.
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im gonna go offtopic here by not being a dramatic baby crying about loner situation etc. hope you're fine with that.
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no hate btw galaxy, we did plan to let you check the gate out etc, i just forgot jefvel is a magician and was set to defend our borders. he thought you were mexican. AND AINT NO MEXICANS CROSSING OUR BORDERS.
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On October 15 2011 10:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I have no faction or home, and of 5 people online in Loners, none will duel me, I've been PvPing in the city for an hour at least. If I win, I lose everything, if they win, they lose one of their many armor sets.
Why do you claim to be the PvP faction of the server exactly? The justifications are "I don't want to give you more stuff if you win" and "I'm too busy building roads (PvE)". Please, at least walk the walk if you're going to talk so much trash, this has happened too many times the past couple days (I'd prefer you'd stop talking trash, but if you must keep doing it, at least come kill me, my armor is at half durability and I'm definitely not the strongest PvPer).
Edit: SadBadMan just logged on and has agreed to honor me with a duel. Thank you for walking the walk. I was building a road to the lake outside our base. I had better things to do than fight someone in town when I was getting >100MS. If you want to PvP me, then ask. If I'm not occupied, I'll gladly accept.
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I still say we should remove peaceful factions.
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