On May 26 2011 03:58 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
Rose is one of two NBA players (the other being Dwight Howard) who you have to see in person to truly understand how amazing he is.
Just 2 huh?
Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 09:44 ilikejokes wrote:
In order:
Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Wilt
Olajuwon
Oscar
Kobe
Funny how in your own top 10 greatest ever Rose and Dwight aren't even on it, yet current players like Kobe and Duncan are. But nah, you don't have to see them in person.
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
I can't think of another player who has been able to create so much offense with so little space, scoring 25/game despite the fact that teams know they can throw double- and triple-teams at him without worrying about the other Bulls players getting their offense going.
Since you like statistics so much, will you pull out the numbers for the ' offense ' that Rose has created with so little space this series? Everyone is waiting to be impressed.
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
LeBron has immense help in that teams have to worry about both him and Wade down the stretch--they're a nightmare. Yet that team has performed like shit in crunch time.
Performing like shit in crunch time. Well...The bulls are losing to this shitty crunch time team DURING crunch time. What is this black magic...
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
Efficiency doesn't make you the MVP. Being the "most valuable player" is about being the best player who makes his teammates play the best, and Derrick Rose did (and does) that better than any other player in the NBA.
Even Rondo with 1 arm made his teammates play better than Rose against the same cheating Heat defense.
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:He's the best or second-best point guard in the league (depending on how much you value CP3 as a "pure" point guard over Rose's scoring ability). MVP award aside, he's going to be named All-NBA 1st or 2nd team. How much more "elite" do you want him to be?
lol:
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 17:53 ilikejokes wrote:
I agree that he's not the best player in the league. I don't think anybody is saying that.
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 17:37 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm just saying that it's mathematically incorrect to say that Rose isn't an efficient player.
When it takes Rose 32 shots to score 34 points that's definitely worse than if he did it in 30, 28, 26 shots... you get the idea. But when none of the other Bulls are scoring, Rose is going to take that many shots, and a lot of them won't be pretty, but that's part of what makes Rose so good--unlike Kobe when he was young,
lol:
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 17:48 ilikejokes wrote:
Is Rose shooting too much in the playoffs? Probably.
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 18:23 ilikejokes wrote:
I agree that the media hype definitely gets ridiculous at times (comparing Chris Paul to Magic Johnson is laughable
Ok well I guess we can all consider you laughable now:
Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 14:47 ilikejokes wrote:
I would compare Rose to Magic Johnson in the sense that he is not, by any means, a traditional point guard, but that doesn't detract from him as a player.
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:
I am most worried about the Heat defense
The Heat defense? I thought it was only Wade and James
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm also hoping Boozer realizes that he can manhandle Bosh down in the post.
Still waiting on this one. It would probably happen if Boozer wasn't busy staying at the other end of the court picking up cherry pick baskets like game 4 and going back to play D instead.
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:The Bulls are arguably less flawed than the Heat from a team perspective--they have an elite point guard, good center, great coaching, great help defense, and a deep bench (Asik is one of the most underrated backup centers in the league right now, Gibson is good enough to start the 4 on most other NBA teams, and Watson is a serviceable backup PG).
Didn't you just get done saying that Rose carried double digit wins on his back? A good center, great coach, great help defense, and deep bench didn't do anything to help those 60+ wins?
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote: They have a bench consisting of a bunch of three-point specialists and centers who are too old to do anything besides foul.
Man if only Rose were good enough to overcome this enormous obstacle.
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 12:07 ilikejokes wrote:
You can't shut Rose down without non-stop double teams.
You're right. You only need Lebron James. See game 4.
lol.
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote:
There's no way Miami wins in 6 unless Wade pulls another shady as hell move like he did slamming Rondo down onto the parquet. Winning in 7 would require them to take a game at the United Center (not happening).
Wait, didn't the heat win at the United center?
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote:
Any way you slice it I see the Bulls winning the series unless some miracle and/or cheating saves it for Wade and friends. Rose and Wade will likely cancel each other out every game and LeBron will barely win the match-up with Deng; but Boozer/Noah will have their way with Bosh/[heat center], Thibs will solve the Heat while Spoelstra can only hurt his team
Lebron barely win the matchup with deng? Lebron shut down Derrick Rose. Boozer/Noah will have their way with Bosh? That's why he scored 30+ twice right? Once in your arena btw.
Thibs will solve the heat? Is that what it was when Udonis Haslem took a shit on the bulls?
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote: and the Bulls' bench mob will outplay the Heat's lack of a supporting cast (in the playoffs thus far the Bulls bench is beating the Heat bench handily in every major statistical category except turnovers, where the Heat reserves barely have an edge that is more than accounted for by the enormous disparity in steals/blocks/rebounds etc.)
I think I remember you being a stats guy. Can you pull up the numbers showing the Bull's bench beating the heat handily in every major statistical category?
Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 15:32 ilikejokes wrote:
In the 3rd game Bosh played really well against the Bulls and the game was even closer than their other two meetings, but the Bulls still pulled out the win. Even with the Big 3 gunning on all cylinders I think the Bulls defense grinds the win out 50% of the time, and the Big 3 are rarely all going at once--you usually get 2/3 of them.
Every win, all 3 of the big 3 have not been on fire. In fact, people outside the big 3 have been on fire. So the defense of the bulls grinds out the win 50% of the time? Is that what 1-3 is?
Your posts really bring down this thread.