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matko5
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia385 Posts
May 25 2011 19:02 GMT
#2381
On May 26 2011 02:50 Ace wrote:

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On May 26 2011 02:43 matko5 wrote:
Miami's defense not good? It's right behing bulls and celtics in the regular season, or did i get something wrong?


It is. But it's looked like the best in the post-season so far.


I waited for someone to say that, and I'm glad it's you, because you seem to be one standing with both feet well on the ground.
Disi gazda
ilikejokes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 19:10:01
May 25 2011 19:03 GMT
#2382
On May 26 2011 03:58 Ack1027 wrote:
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On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
Rose is one of two NBA players (the other being Dwight Howard) who you have to see in person to truly understand how amazing he is.

Just 2 huh?

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On May 10 2011 09:44 ilikejokes wrote:
In order:

Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Wilt
Olajuwon
Oscar
Kobe


Funny how in your own top 10 greatest ever Rose and Dwight aren't even on it, yet current players like Kobe and Duncan are. But nah, you don't have to see them in person.

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On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
I can't think of another player who has been able to create so much offense with so little space, scoring 25/game despite the fact that teams know they can throw double- and triple-teams at him without worrying about the other Bulls players getting their offense going.


Since you like statistics so much, will you pull out the numbers for the ' offense ' that Rose has created with so little space this series? Everyone is waiting to be impressed.

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On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
LeBron has immense help in that teams have to worry about both him and Wade down the stretch--they're a nightmare. Yet that team has performed like shit in crunch time.

Performing like shit in crunch time. Well...The bulls are losing to this shitty crunch time team DURING crunch time. What is this black magic...


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On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
Efficiency doesn't make you the MVP. Being the "most valuable player" is about being the best player who makes his teammates play the best, and Derrick Rose did (and does) that better than any other player in the NBA.

Even Rondo with 1 arm made his teammates play better than Rose against the same cheating Heat defense.


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On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:He's the best or second-best point guard in the league (depending on how much you value CP3 as a "pure" point guard over Rose's scoring ability). MVP award aside, he's going to be named All-NBA 1st or 2nd team. How much more "elite" do you want him to be?


lol:
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On May 09 2011 17:53 ilikejokes wrote:
I agree that he's not the best player in the league. I don't think anybody is saying that.


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On May 09 2011 17:37 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm just saying that it's mathematically incorrect to say that Rose isn't an efficient player.

When it takes Rose 32 shots to score 34 points that's definitely worse than if he did it in 30, 28, 26 shots... you get the idea. But when none of the other Bulls are scoring, Rose is going to take that many shots, and a lot of them won't be pretty, but that's part of what makes Rose so good--unlike Kobe when he was young,


lol:
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On May 09 2011 17:48 ilikejokes wrote:
Is Rose shooting too much in the playoffs? Probably.


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On May 09 2011 18:23 ilikejokes wrote:
I agree that the media hype definitely gets ridiculous at times (comparing Chris Paul to Magic Johnson is laughable

Ok well I guess we can all consider you laughable now:
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On May 09 2011 14:47 ilikejokes wrote:
I would compare Rose to Magic Johnson in the sense that he is not, by any means, a traditional point guard, but that doesn't detract from him as a player.


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On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:

I am most worried about the Heat defense


The Heat defense? I thought it was only Wade and James

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On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm also hoping Boozer realizes that he can manhandle Bosh down in the post.

Still waiting on this one. It would probably happen if Boozer wasn't busy staying at the other end of the court picking up cherry pick baskets like game 4 and going back to play D instead.

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On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:The Bulls are arguably less flawed than the Heat from a team perspective--they have an elite point guard, good center, great coaching, great help defense, and a deep bench (Asik is one of the most underrated backup centers in the league right now, Gibson is good enough to start the 4 on most other NBA teams, and Watson is a serviceable backup PG).


Didn't you just get done saying that Rose carried double digit wins on his back? A good center, great coach, great help defense, and deep bench didn't do anything to help those 60+ wins?

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On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote: They have a bench consisting of a bunch of three-point specialists and centers who are too old to do anything besides foul.

Man if only Rose were good enough to overcome this enormous obstacle.

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On May 13 2011 12:07 ilikejokes wrote:
You can't shut Rose down without non-stop double teams.

You're right. You only need Lebron James. See game 4.

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On May 13 2011 13:34 ilikejokes wrote:
da Bulls in 5 baby!

lol.

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On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote:
There's no way Miami wins in 6 unless Wade pulls another shady as hell move like he did slamming Rondo down onto the parquet. Winning in 7 would require them to take a game at the United Center (not happening).

Wait, didn't the heat win at the United center?


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On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote:
Any way you slice it I see the Bulls winning the series unless some miracle and/or cheating saves it for Wade and friends. Rose and Wade will likely cancel each other out every game and LeBron will barely win the match-up with Deng; but Boozer/Noah will have their way with Bosh/[heat center], Thibs will solve the Heat while Spoelstra can only hurt his team


Lebron barely win the matchup with deng? Lebron shut down Derrick Rose. Boozer/Noah will have their way with Bosh? That's why he scored 30+ twice right? Once in your arena btw.

Thibs will solve the heat? Is that what it was when Udonis Haslem took a shit on the bulls?


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On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote: and the Bulls' bench mob will outplay the Heat's lack of a supporting cast (in the playoffs thus far the Bulls bench is beating the Heat bench handily in every major statistical category except turnovers, where the Heat reserves barely have an edge that is more than accounted for by the enormous disparity in steals/blocks/rebounds etc.)


I think I remember you being a stats guy. Can you pull up the numbers showing the Bull's bench beating the heat handily in every major statistical category?


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On May 13 2011 15:32 ilikejokes wrote:
In the 3rd game Bosh played really well against the Bulls and the game was even closer than their other two meetings, but the Bulls still pulled out the win. Even with the Big 3 gunning on all cylinders I think the Bulls defense grinds the win out 50% of the time, and the Big 3 are rarely all going at once--you usually get 2/3 of them.


Every win, all 3 of the big 3 have not been on fire. In fact, people outside the big 3 have been on fire. So the defense of the bulls grinds out the win 50% of the time? Is that what 1-3 is?

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On May 11 2011 19:11 ilikejokes wrote:
I hear facts are opinions now.


Your posts really bring down this thread.

Your reading comprehension (well, lack thereof) really brings down this post. At least Ace/jmbthirteen/the other people who disagree with me make logically consistent arguments. For the most part, the disparity between their attitudes and mine comes down to differences of opinion, perspective, and different weighting of player contributions. This is just funny, though. You realize that four independent events with P(x=1)=1/2, P(x=2)=1/2 result in a 3-1 split 25% of the time?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 25 2011 19:12 GMT
#2383
By the way, IF it does indeed happen - and being that it's the Clippers you never know: If Chicago somehow ends up with Eric Gordon Miami is in serious trouble. It's been a rumor I've heard Chicago fans talking about and it's a very scary thought.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
May 25 2011 19:13 GMT
#2384
Just enjoy the games. Seems like a lot of people get off on arguing which is just weird.
ilikejokes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 19:15:12
May 25 2011 19:13 GMT
#2385
Yeah that would be nice. I'm not getting my hopes up, though. (edit: the Eric Gordon thing)

I'm actually at least as interested in seeing what kinds of moves Miami is able to make this offseason. I don't think it makes sense for them to lug the corpses of Howard, Dampier, and Ilgauskas around for another season, and Eddie House is totally disposable.
matko5
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia385 Posts
May 25 2011 19:23 GMT
#2386
I wonder if miami could get a decent center, someone who can rebound the ball and make a post move or two. just to get that edge they lack on offense under the basket.
Disi gazda
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
May 25 2011 19:25 GMT
#2387
It all depends on the CBA, if the cap shrinks (likely?) or a hardcap is put into place (possible?) I'm not sure how much if ANY flexibility the Heat will have to really make legitimate moves. Even if it's a gradual hard cap (kind of a requirement considering that the league has guaranteed contracts) the best they're gonna do are buy-out players or veterans willing to take the minimum, which is basically what they have right now. They don't have draft picks, and they really don't have assets to dump unless they want to dangle Bosh
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 25 2011 19:27 GMT
#2388
On May 26 2011 04:12 Ace wrote:
By the way, IF it does indeed happen - and being that it's the Clippers you never know: If Chicago somehow ends up with Eric Gordon Miami is in serious trouble. It's been a rumor I've heard Chicago fans talking about and it's a very scary thought.


Shut up about EJ. They aren't trading him. He might walk but there is no way the Clippers would trade a cost controlled asset that performs like him.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 25 2011 19:39 GMT
#2389
On May 26 2011 04:27 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 04:12 Ace wrote:
By the way, IF it does indeed happen - and being that it's the Clippers you never know: If Chicago somehow ends up with Eric Gordon Miami is in serious trouble. It's been a rumor I've heard Chicago fans talking about and it's a very scary thought.


Shut up about EJ. They aren't trading him. He might walk but there is no way the Clippers would trade a cost controlled asset that performs like him.


Did you forget about Sterling? I believe he will pay when it actually happens. I wouldn't be too surprised to see EJ traded because Sterling doesn't want to pay him. It would be ashame because him and Griffin together is a very nice duo going forward.

And the Pacers won't let the Bulls get EJ. He is a hometown kid, his family still lives in Indy, he even attended a home playoff game. His parents both would love him to play there (they have said this to fans) and even EJ would like to play there according to his parents. If EJ is in any way available or the Clippers don't want to pay him when he becomes a RFA, the Pacers will go after him big time.
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Stoids
Profile Joined August 2010
United States636 Posts
May 25 2011 19:41 GMT
#2390
On May 26 2011 04:23 matko5 wrote:
I wonder if miami could get a decent center, someone who can rebound the ball and make a post move or two. just to get that edge they lack on offense under the basket.

Dwight Howard

/typicalmiamifan
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
May 25 2011 19:44 GMT
#2391
On May 26 2011 04:23 matko5 wrote:
I wonder if miami could get a decent center, someone who can rebound the ball and make a post move or two. just to get that edge they lack on offense under the basket.


all 5 of them in the league? =/
the death of the NBA center is really depressing
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 25 2011 19:47 GMT
#2392
On May 26 2011 04:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 04:27 slyboogie wrote:
On May 26 2011 04:12 Ace wrote:
By the way, IF it does indeed happen - and being that it's the Clippers you never know: If Chicago somehow ends up with Eric Gordon Miami is in serious trouble. It's been a rumor I've heard Chicago fans talking about and it's a very scary thought.


Shut up about EJ. They aren't trading him. He might walk but there is no way the Clippers would trade a cost controlled asset that performs like him.


Did you forget about Sterling? I believe he will pay when it actually happens. I wouldn't be too surprised to see EJ traded because Sterling doesn't want to pay him. It would be ashame because him and Griffin together is a very nice duo going forward.

And the Pacers won't let the Bulls get EJ. He is a hometown kid, his family still lives in Indy, he even attended a home playoff game. His parents both would love him to play there (they have said this to fans) and even EJ would like to play there according to his parents. If EJ is in any way available or the Clippers don't want to pay him when he becomes a RFA, the Pacers will go after him big time.


This Sterling this is overblown. He's an awful racist slum-lord of a human being. But the Clippers matched Elton Brand in '03 and signed Baron to a ridiculous contract in '08(?) Sterling has spent money before. Look, the Clippers pay EJ $3.8 next year. That's nothing for a top 15 shooting guard in his 3rd year. Why would the Clippers trade that? Besides, how could you make the contracts match with the value? It makes 0 sense. No one trades a guy still on his rookie contract if he's a contributer unless you're getting value in return.

If he hits free agency, that's different story. He won't though. The Clippers will definitely give the qualifying offer and match any offer (barring ridiculous.)
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
matko5
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia385 Posts
May 25 2011 19:48 GMT
#2393
On May 26 2011 04:44 KOFgokuon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 04:23 matko5 wrote:
I wonder if miami could get a decent center, someone who can rebound the ball and make a post move or two. just to get that edge they lack on offense under the basket.


all 5 of them in the league? =/
the death of the NBA center is really depressing


Yeah, that's depressing

I'm just watching the game 4 chi - mia, i wonder how better would have heat been in the regular season if miller played anything like this game and haslem was healthy...
Disi gazda
ilikejokes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States217 Posts
May 25 2011 19:50 GMT
#2394
On May 26 2011 04:48 matko5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 04:44 KOFgokuon wrote:
On May 26 2011 04:23 matko5 wrote:
I wonder if miami could get a decent center, someone who can rebound the ball and make a post move or two. just to get that edge they lack on offense under the basket.


all 5 of them in the league? =/
the death of the NBA center is really depressing


Yeah, that's depressing

I'm just watching the game 4 chi - mia, i wonder how better would have heat been in the regular season if miller played anything like this game and haslem was healthy...

They would have won 65 games.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 19:52:49
May 25 2011 19:50 GMT
#2395
The retirement of Shaq will depress me greatly. My favourite player of all time.


I think any player that is big and good enough to play center would rather go into the NFL. Higher chances to get paid and play. Just my theory though.
We decide our own destiny
matko5
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia385 Posts
May 25 2011 19:53 GMT
#2396
On May 26 2011 04:50 ilikejokes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 04:48 matko5 wrote:
On May 26 2011 04:44 KOFgokuon wrote:
On May 26 2011 04:23 matko5 wrote:
I wonder if miami could get a decent center, someone who can rebound the ball and make a post move or two. just to get that edge they lack on offense under the basket.


all 5 of them in the league? =/
the death of the NBA center is really depressing


Yeah, that's depressing

I'm just watching the game 4 chi - mia, i wonder how better would have heat been in the regular season if miller played anything like this game and haslem was healthy...

They would have won 65 games.


I'm gonna go van gundy and say 70+ : )))))
Disi gazda
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
May 25 2011 19:55 GMT
#2397
Mike Brown to LAL? LOL Kobe got his dream offense of constant ISOs ! :D
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
ilikejokes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States217 Posts
May 25 2011 20:01 GMT
#2398
On May 26 2011 04:50 Tien wrote:
The retirement of Shaq will depress me greatly. My favourite player of all time.


I think any player that is big and good enough to play center would rather go into the NFL. Higher chances to get paid and play. Just my theory though.

Are there a lot of really tall guys in the NFL? It seems to me that it would be better to be a little shorter in football, but I don't follow it very closely so I don't know.
smurfingchobo
Profile Joined April 2004
833 Posts
May 25 2011 20:07 GMT
#2399
Fucking Mike Brown, are you kidding me? Wouldn't mind him as a defensive coach but HC? Damn it.

Only thing I'm hoping for now is the Lakers keep Shaw as an offensive coordinator or something.
Teach me PvZ~
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 25 2011 20:11 GMT
#2400
On May 26 2011 05:01 ilikejokes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 04:50 Tien wrote:
The retirement of Shaq will depress me greatly. My favourite player of all time.


I think any player that is big and good enough to play center would rather go into the NFL. Higher chances to get paid and play. Just my theory though.

Are there a lot of really tall guys in the NFL? It seems to me that it would be better to be a little shorter in football, but I don't follow it very closely so I don't know.


Yea, the NFL is also full of tall guys. Most of the wide receivers are tall as hell.
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