EPTNBA Playoffs (2010-2011) - Page 118
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On May 25 2011 15:35 citi.zen wrote: The Bulls bench was awful tonight, that's why the starters had to keep playing. For the Heat the trio of Haslem/Miller/Chalmers played amazing at both ends of the floor. It's surprising, going into this series I would have given that edge to the Bulls. I would have expected good play out of Haslem, not so much the other two. Asik's injury is also hurting Chicago's rotation, really forcing a lot of minutes out of Noah. This is the second time this series the Bulls have held Miami to 85 points in regulation and they have lost both games. While the Heat are a very athletic defensive team, it has been a barrage of missed shots many of which have been uncontested. Chicago needs to find a good second option (or preferably, first option to take the pressure off Rose); if they get that then they could win it all next year. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/boxscore?gameId=310524014 4 players played 40+ minutes. I suppose that the problem was that while the Heat has lots of good 'C' players they don't have very many 'B' players and only one 'A' players. They basically had no back up center with Asik injured, Rose is the MVP so you play him the whole game and apparently Thibodeau picks offense over defense and barely plays Gibson over Boozer. Meanwhile, Miami has 5 players who can guard the paint and 3 who can play PG or 2 guard. so they can switch in and out. So even though Bosh, James and Wade played major minutes, no one player had to be the primary ball handler or scorer for long periods. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 25 2011 15:41 ilikejokes wrote: I don't know, maybe because their backup center is injured and their backup perimeter guys were playing awful defense in a close game? The Bulls still played 10 guys in this game and the Heat only played 8. Deeper team, deeper rotation. Yes the Bulls are deeper, but it was never going to matter because Miami's starters are that much better and because they play so many minutes. You're a joke; you hid after game 1 (when everything I said came true) and you're only coming back now because Miami took a 3-1 series lead, partly because the Bulls decided not to show up and partly due to some questionable officiating. You obviously still don't know squat about basketball, but that's fine because you're a fan. Fans don't have to know the game. But you shouldn't act like you know more than you do. The fact of the matter is you come off as someone who has never put the ball on the floor, never played in a real game. Name calling, nice. I didn't hide after game one. Before the series I decided not to comment until it was over, no matter what happened. And guess what, the Bulls are done. I did this on a couple of other sites too. Why? Because Bulls fans like yourself. I said Miami in 6. Now, I think they win in 5 because of the mental beating the Bulls took in OT tonight. But it wouldn't surprise me too much if Chicago won game 5. But it will be over in no more than 6. The officials aren't why Chicago played like shit. I think Miami's defense has a huge thing to do with that. And its cool that you think I know nothing about basketball when the series is playing out pretty damn closely to how I said it would. Guess I'm just lucky. Oh and btw, I have played, coached and watched basketball all my life. I know a thing or two. Lebron James, 4 shots at the rim (3 makes, 1 miss): 13 free throws Chris Bosh, 3 shots at the rim (1 make, 2 misses): 11 free throws Dwyane Wade, 6 shots at the rim (3 makes, 3 misses): 4 free throws --- his attempts were actually consummate with how much he attacked the basket Yeah they definitely were attempting free throws from attacking the basket you're sure right about that one. Derrick Rose, 8 shots at the rim (3 makes, 5 misses): 7 free throws At least go for an argument that isn't some recycled shit from an old ESPN.com article. You know missed shots that you are fouled on don't show up in the box score right? So of course it looks like that had less shots at the rim. Those shots they got fouled on at the rim where they missed disappear. Did you really think LeBron James only took 4 shots at the rim? So at least don't pull up some bull shit stat that doesn't show the whole story. You know like the regular season stats that say Deng is almost as good as LeBron James. | ||
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ilikejokes
United States217 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 25 2011 16:15 ilikejokes wrote: Y'know it amuses me that you keep going back to the Lebron-Deng thing because you're still wrong; in these playoffs LeBron really has just barely outplayed Deng. I keep going back to it because you say I know nothing about basketball and still make a ridiculous comment like that. LeBron: 25ppg, 7rpg, 6.75apg 45% shooting Deng: 17ppg, 7rpg, 1.5apg 44% shooting Oh and not to mention LeBron is playing better defense, makes his teammates better and leading his teams to wins. Yep, he is barely outplaying Deng so far. | ||
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ilikejokes
United States217 Posts
On May 25 2011 16:32 jmbthirteen wrote: I keep going back to it because you say I know nothing about basketball and still make a ridiculous comment like that. LeBron: 25ppg, 7rpg, 6.75apg 45% shooting Deng: 17ppg, 7rpg, 1.5apg 44% shooting Oh and not to mention LeBron is playing better defense, makes his teammates better and leading his teams to wins. Yep, he is barely outplaying Deng so far. Case in point. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
Except it is a terrible case when no one agrees with you. Have you noticed that in this thread, pretty much no non Chicago fans have agreed with you? What does that tell you? That you are incredibly biased. This is exactly why I decided not to post until the series was over. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4751 Posts
Regarding the 4 teams that are left, none of them made it here because of the help of referees or anything. Chicago was clearly better than Indiana and Atlanta, Miami beat the shit out of Philadelphia and was clearly better than Boston, especially after Rondos injury. Dallas was far and away the best team on their side of the bracket, and while Oklahoma vs Grizzlies was close, anyone believing that Memphis could have gone all the way is just delusional. There will always be inconsistency at any sport where you need referees and probably the NBA could do more to make it better. But the four best teams made it through regardless. I have watched all 8 games of the conference finals and I think right now both results reflect the performances of the teams pretty well. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 25 2011 15:01 jmbthirteen wrote: Except that Miami put the ball in the hoop more than Chicago. Last time I checked free throws have to go in for you to get the points. I like how you bring up free throw disparity as why Miami won. How about game 1, Chicago vs Indiana. Indiana took 17 FTs. Chicago took 32 FTs. Derrick Rose took 21 FTs alone. But when Miami takes more FTs than Chicago, then theres a problem. Ever think Miami gets more attempts because they are the more aggressive team? Look at the two guys who got the most attempts tonight, LeBron and Bosh. Their fouls are coming when they attack the basket. Look at the guys with the high foul counts on Chicago. Boozer, Noah, Deng. Even Asik and Gibson had high fouls for the minutes they played. You know why? Miami went at those guys. When you are aggressive on the offensive end, chances are that you will draw the foul. This is common knowledge. Someone is just pissed because their team lost. Its ok, I told you this is how the series was going to play out. But you had your regular season stats to say otherwise and said no one on here knows the game of basketball. Funny how things look now. Looks like Miami has the advantage in the LeBron vs Deng match up more than barely. Great post. Feels good to be right doesn't it? :D On May 25 2011 16:15 ilikejokes wrote: Y'know it amuses me that you keep going back to the Lebron-Deng thing because you're still wrong; in these playoffs LeBron really has just barely outplayed Deng. It's when you say things like this that people don't take you seriously. Anyway this series isn't over yet at all. Still lots of basketball to be played. But it is annoying having to see Chicago fans make every excuse in the book and not even acknowledge that HEY - Derrick Rose isn't an MVP level player. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
The reason I think its over is because I don't think Chicago has the type of players that know how to recover from a game like tonight. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 25 2011 17:43 jmbthirteen wrote: Thank you Ace. I thought maybe he saw how the series is playing out he would settle down, but I guess not. It's exactly why I waited to post. The reason I think its over is because I don't think Chicago has the type of players that know how to recover from a game like tonight. Well I think Chicago still has a shot, as it's not over till someone wins 4. But if I'm Chicago one thing worries me very badly: Only 2 of the Big 3 for Miami need to be playing well offensively to beat you. And defensively they are just as good if not better. Very worrying indeed. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 25 2011 18:09 Ace wrote: Well I think Chicago still has a shot, as it's not over till someone wins 4. But if I'm Chicago one thing worries me very badly: Only 2 of the Big 3 for Miami need to be playing well offensively to beat you. And defensively they are just as good if not better. Very worrying indeed. It's more worrying because so many people thought it had to be James and Wade doing it all. Wade hasn't been great offensively this series. His OT was good this game. But before then, it was bad. Game three was the same way. I just like how people are like, wtf Chris Bosh can play? He has been a damn good player for how long now. And it certainly seems like Boozer and Gibson talking in the press and in game has really motivated him. The defense is the reason why I enjoy watching Miami. I've always loved defensive battles. Its what my dad always had me watch growing up and always had our teams focus on defense. I appreciate the defense that the Heat, and Bulls, play. And being a Pacers fan, I remember those early 2000s series with the Pistons where games where ending with both teams scoring in the 70s. And LeBron James plays some of the best defense I've ever seen. He can pretty much guard any position on the court. He is so strong and so fast. And he has an unbelievable feel for the game. Watching him play the lanes is awesome. Wade does this too, but LeBron just takes it to another level. I think he tracks the ball better than anyone in the NBA. His defense this post season has been my favorite non-Pacers thing about the whole post season. | ||
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ApoNow
Luxembourg100 Posts
On May 25 2011 15:41 ilikejokes wrote: You're a joke; you hid after game 1 (when everything I said came true) and you're only coming back now because Miami took a 3-1 series lead, partly because the Bulls decided not to show up and partly due to some questionable officiating. Sorry but no, just no. Miami's 3-1 lead has nothing to do with bad officiating, it's all Chicago's own fault, period. Just stop it now, please. On May 25 2011 15:41 ilikejokes wrote: You obviously still don't know squat about basketball, but that's fine because you're a fan. Fans don't have to know the game. But you shouldn't act like you know more than you do. The fact of the matter is you come off as someone who has never put the ball on the floor, never played in a real game. I don't mean to come off as a jerk but it's hilarious how these lines could directly be aimed at yourself. Just take off the rose-coloured glasses of yours. Try to be as objective as possible. It's not that bad when your favorite team loses (heck, mine didn't even make the playoffs...), sometimes there are just better teams and in 3 out of 4 games Miami WAS the better team, no arguing about that. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On May 25 2011 14:10 ilikejokes wrote: The Heat won this game by making free throws. That's not basketball. That's bullshit. My absolute favorite quote of this thread. You claim to be a basketball expert but stuff like this comes out of your mouth? Every single NBA player would laugh his ass off in your face if you made a comment like that in front of them. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On May 25 2011 14:00 Stoids wrote: Another uneducated I jumped on the Heat bandwagon last summer when everyone hated on them. You mad? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Chicago should have an advantage at PG duties, even when Wade/Lebron are playing it, but Rose isn't getting anything done. He's not just shooting poorly, he's just not helping his teammates that much. To me, it's still an exciting series. Both defenses are great and even when Lebron is sliding through and fooling people, you just have to accept that that's what he does. I'm a bit worried for my Mavs domination, the way the Heat played last night. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
DRose is so explosive and still 21. When he matures and learns to pass / control the half court game, he will become the best PG in the league. Noah is also developing. I am a heat fan. But I really enjoyed seeing the Bulls mature / evolve this year. Watch out for them next year, 60+ wins for sure. I'm just not convinced about Boozer. This guy can get rebounds, but he doesn't play defense that well. Stands and watches the ball more than move around and get in people's way. | ||
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