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On May 25 2011 13:09 ilikejokes wrote:
That flagrant foul was bullshit.
The free throw disparity is ridiculous but that's how Miami wins all of its games so whatever.
I'm just loving this though (Bulls - Heat)
Made 2-pointers: 35 > 32
Made 3-pointers: 6 > 5
Rebounds: 42 > 41
Assists: 20 > 12
Turnovers: 19 < 15
Blocks: 5 < 10
So the Bulls put the ball in the hoop more despite turning the ball over way too damn much and the Heat getting some sick blocks (and some questionable "blocks," but whatever). But then there's this laugher:
Fouls: 28 < 24
Free Throw Attempts: 22 < 38
Free Throws Made: 17 < 32
Now, I realize a lot of Miami's fouls came on the offensive end of the floor, but these stats, to me, are such a joke.
It's a floppers' league though so whatever.
As I said earlier, this is, unfortunately for the Bulls, to be expected. While the Mavs shooting more FTs than OKC in game 4 was a joke, this disparity was earned. When it comes to getting FTs Heat>Bulls=OKC>Dallas. The Heat are outstanding at getting to the line and it has nothing to do with reffing. Sure I take issue with some calls that may have really screwed it up for the Bulls (all of Lebron's flops for a Deng offensive foul have been highly suspicious) the FT disparity should exist.
If the refs were better (and they aren't good enough to have this rule) a flop as a technical would be a great introduction.
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Bahahaha it was flagrant!!! Get over it! Dude boozer didn't just make contact his forearm went into bosh's chest while in midair. It was flagrant. Ur just mad cuz he didn't get away with it, which is precisely why bosh sold it a tad more to make sure, but he was hitting the floor hard regardless!
Talk all the crap u want and quote all the stats u want, I'll give you the only stat that matters:
POINTS
HEAT 101 > 93 bulls
cry more!
It's funny how it wasn't drose sucking and missing open shots and taking stupid shots, it wasn't deng throwing it out of bounds late game, miscommunication, it wasn't drose turning It over multiple times that lost u the game. It was the refs! It wasn't our defense that shut u down when it mattered, it was the refs!
/rollseyes
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On May 25 2011 13:40 HeavenS wrote:
Bahahaha it was flagrant!!! Get over it! Dude boozer didn't just make contact his forearm went into bosh's chest while in midair. It was flagrant. Ur just mad cuz he didn't get away with it, which is precisely why bosh sold it a tad more to make sure, but he was hitting the floor hard regardless!
Talk all the crap u want and quote all the stats u want, I'll give you the only stat that matters:
POINTS
HEAT 101 > 93 bulls
cry more!
It's funny how it wasn't drose sucking and missing open shots and taking stupid shots, it wasn't deng throwing it out of bounds late game, miscommunication, it wasn't drose turning It over multiple times that lost u the game. It was the refs! It wasn't our defense that shut u down when it mattered, it was the refs!
:rollseyes: fanboys-_-
he speaks the truth fanboys
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On May 25 2011 13:26 ilikejokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:20 slyboogie wrote:
It was definitely a flagrant. The follow through against the body is not a basketball play. Did Boozer's left arm make contact with Bosh? Yes. Was Boozer ALSO making a play for the ball with his other hand? Yes. Look Boozer played shitty defense there and there was obviously a foul, but it wasn't a flagrant. Bosh sold it well and Joey Crawford was ready to pull the trigger on the flagrant. It just wasn't there. Edit: to clarify, if you're going by the (extremely vague) rules about flagrant fouls, then yes you can make the argument that it was a flagrant 1; however, when they've been allowing similarly physical play on both ends of the floor, I find it horrifying inconsistent to award the flagrant in that specific situation.
None of that matters. You can put a forearm up to reinforce your position, but you can't put that forearm into your man's body. And if you do, you definitely can't use it to push off against a guy in the air if he can't defend himself. What if Derrick Rose drove into the paint and Dwight Howard pulled that same move? He could seriously injure him. If you are in the air with the ball, with your hands up, you can't defend yourself! What Boozer did with his left arm is always a flagrant.
Watch it on mute.
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On May 25 2011 13:44 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:26 ilikejokes wrote:On May 25 2011 13:20 slyboogie wrote:
It was definitely a flagrant. The follow through against the body is not a basketball play. Did Boozer's left arm make contact with Bosh? Yes. Was Boozer ALSO making a play for the ball with his other hand? Yes. Look Boozer played shitty defense there and there was obviously a foul, but it wasn't a flagrant. Bosh sold it well and Joey Crawford was ready to pull the trigger on the flagrant. It just wasn't there. Edit: to clarify, if you're going by the (extremely vague) rules about flagrant fouls, then yes you can make the argument that it was a flagrant 1; however, when they've been allowing similarly physical play on both ends of the floor, I find it horrifying inconsistent to award the flagrant in that specific situation. None of that matters. You can put a forearm up to reinforce your position, but you can't put that forearm into your man's body. And if you do, you definitely can't use it to push off against a guy in the air if he can't defend himself. What if Derrick Rose drove into the paint and Dwight Howard pulled that same move? He could seriously injure him. If you are in the air with the ball, with your hands up, you can't defend yourself! What Boozer did with his left arm is always a flagrant. Watch it on mute.
That may be the rule, but its still always a judgment call. The better method is if you have to debate it is not.
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On May 25 2011 13:40 HeavenS wrote:
Bahahaha it was flagrant!!! Get over it! Dude boozer didn't just make contact his forearm went into bosh's chest while in midair. It was flagrant. Ur just mad cuz he didn't get away with it, which is precisely why bosh sold it a tad more to make sure, but he was hitting the floor hard regardless!
Talk all the crap u want and quote all the stats u want, I'll give you the only stat that matters:
POINTS
HEAT 101 > 93 bulls
cry more!
It's funny how it wasn't drose sucking and missing open shots and taking stupid shots, it wasn't deng throwing it out of bounds late game, miscommunication, it wasn't drose turning It over multiple times that lost u the game. It was the refs! It wasn't our defense that shut u down when it mattered, it was the refs!
/rollseyes
Another uneducated foreigner Heat fan emerges. Just what we needed....
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On May 25 2011 14:00 Stoids wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:40 HeavenS wrote:
Bahahaha it was flagrant!!! Get over it! Dude boozer didn't just make contact his forearm went into bosh's chest while in midair. It was flagrant. Ur just mad cuz he didn't get away with it, which is precisely why bosh sold it a tad more to make sure, but he was hitting the floor hard regardless!
Talk all the crap u want and quote all the stats u want, I'll give you the only stat that matters:
POINTS
HEAT 101 > 93 bulls
cry more!
It's funny how it wasn't drose sucking and missing open shots and taking stupid shots, it wasn't deng throwing it out of bounds late game, miscommunication, it wasn't drose turning It over multiple times that lost u the game. It was the refs! It wasn't our defense that shut u down when it mattered, it was the refs!
/rollseyes
Another uneducated foreigner Heat fan emerges. Just what we needed....
LOLOLOL HEEEAAAAATTTTTTTTT
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On May 25 2011 14:00 Stoids wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:40 HeavenS wrote:
Bahahaha it was flagrant!!! Get over it! Dude boozer didn't just make contact his forearm went into bosh's chest while in midair. It was flagrant. Ur just mad cuz he didn't get away with it, which is precisely why bosh sold it a tad more to make sure, but he was hitting the floor hard regardless!
Talk all the crap u want and quote all the stats u want, I'll give you the only stat that matters:
POINTS
HEAT 101 > 93 bulls
cry more!
It's funny how it wasn't drose sucking and missing open shots and taking stupid shots, it wasn't deng throwing it out of bounds late game, miscommunication, it wasn't drose turning It over multiple times that lost u the game. It was the refs! It wasn't our defense that shut u down when it mattered, it was the refs!
/rollseyes
Another uneducated foreigner Heat fan emerges. Just what we needed....
Actually HeavenS is from Miami. His home country is Colombia. So I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about 
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The game was over when it went to OT, there was no way the Bulls were winning playing on tired legs, especially after Wade rested for half the 4th quarter. So it wasn't Deng throwing it out of bounds, although that was a terrible play, and it wasn't DRose turning it over because he was exhausted. It wasn't your defense because your defense isn't as good as you think it is, the Bulls are just a shitty offensive team. DRose takes some stupid shots because he doesn't have other options, I don't like it but it's a situation that you have to deal with in every game and the Bulls still win more often than they lose, so I accept it. DRose missing his free throw late and Boozer missing two early were both reasons we lost, and you didn't even pick that. The refereeing was lopsided. Are the Heat going to get more calls? Yes. Are they going to get as many more calls and non-calls in their favor as they did? They really shouldn't.
The Bulls certainly could have won this game by executing down the stretch. The Heat won this game by making free throws. That's not basketball. That's bullshit.
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On May 25 2011 14:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:00 Stoids wrote:On May 25 2011 13:40 HeavenS wrote:
Bahahaha it was flagrant!!! Get over it! Dude boozer didn't just make contact his forearm went into bosh's chest while in midair. It was flagrant. Ur just mad cuz he didn't get away with it, which is precisely why bosh sold it a tad more to make sure, but he was hitting the floor hard regardless!
Talk all the crap u want and quote all the stats u want, I'll give you the only stat that matters:
POINTS
HEAT 101 > 93 bulls
cry more!
It's funny how it wasn't drose sucking and missing open shots and taking stupid shots, it wasn't deng throwing it out of bounds late game, miscommunication, it wasn't drose turning It over multiple times that lost u the game. It was the refs! It wasn't our defense that shut u down when it mattered, it was the refs!
/rollseyes
Another uneducated foreigner Heat fan emerges. Just what we needed.... Actually HeavenS is from Miami. His home country is Colombia. So I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about
Corrected my original post for accuracy.
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On May 25 2011 14:10 ilikejokes wrote:
The game was over when it went to OT, there was no way the Bulls were winning playing on tired legs, especially after Wade rested for half the 4th quarter. So it wasn't Deng throwing it out of bounds, although that was a terrible play, and it wasn't DRose turning it over because he was exhausted. It wasn't your defense because your defense isn't as good as you think it is, the Bulls are just a shitty offensive team. DRose takes some stupid shots because he doesn't have other options, I don't like it but it's a situation that you have to deal with in every game and the Bulls still win more often than they lose, so I accept it. DRose missing his free throw late and Boozer missing two early were both reasons we lost, and you didn't even pick that. The refereeing was lopsided. Are the Heat going to get more calls? Yes. Are they going to get as many more calls and non-calls in their favor as they did? They really shouldn't.
The Bulls certainly could have won this game by executing down the stretch. The Heat won this game by making free throws. That's not basketball. That's bullshit.
As someone who was personally affected by the 2006 Finals series, I empathize with you. I've learned that dwelling over officiating doesn't get you anywhere. You can complain till you lose your voice, but unfortunately it's the way basketball is now. The best way to make it through is to look at the simple ways you could have won and focus on improving those aspects rather than a variable out of your control.
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Yeah I mean obviously you can't get anywhere by being pissed about it. It's such a ridiculous problem though. I think Heat fans are the only people in the NBA who don't get pissed about it because Wade and now Wade/LeBron get so much to go their way by virtue of their status.
The Heat local TV guys are the worst, too. I was in Key West over New Years and I watched some Heat games to get my basketball fix. Least-educated commentary I've ever heard. They were complaining that [big name player name here] wasn't getting more foul shots, even though Golden State was playing so little defense that there obviously wasn't contact.
The Bulls add a legitimate perimeter scorer and they're set for the next few years. I'd ditch Korver, he's been the biggest disappointment of the season. I'm still bummed we didn't get Mayo at the deadline.
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I hate the heat, their continued success is infuriating!
Luckily, I am consoled by the fact that Dallas is making work of OKC. I'm from Seattle so my hate for the thunder will be eternal until we get the sonics back.
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If I do remeber correctly, the same situation happened to Dwight Howard in the Alanta series. Dwight dropped his hands down on a follow through and hit the atlanta player in the head, drawing a technical. It may not be the same exact play, but it was the same situation, with the same outcome. So the call was definitly correct, and definitly deserved a flagarant call.
Simply you can not follow through with your opposite hand and push someone. (Which he did.) It will be called a flagarant or more everytime and rightly should be.
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On May 25 2011 13:32 ilikejokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 13:30 Brees wrote:
guys he likes jokes, clearly his post is one big joke.....
hopefully? It's certainly a joke that a team can put the ball in the hoop more times and lose the game.
Except that Miami put the ball in the hoop more than Chicago. Last time I checked free throws have to go in for you to get the points.
I like how you bring up free throw disparity as why Miami won. How about game 1, Chicago vs Indiana. Indiana took 17 FTs. Chicago took 32 FTs. Derrick Rose took 21 FTs alone. But when Miami takes more FTs than Chicago, then theres a problem.
Ever think Miami gets more attempts because they are the more aggressive team? Look at the two guys who got the most attempts tonight, LeBron and Bosh. Their fouls are coming when they attack the basket. Look at the guys with the high foul counts on Chicago. Boozer, Noah, Deng. Even Asik and Gibson had high fouls for the minutes they played. You know why? Miami went at those guys. When you are aggressive on the offensive end, chances are that you will draw the foul. This is common knowledge.
Someone is just pissed because their team lost. Its ok, I told you this is how the series was going to play out. But you had your regular season stats to say otherwise and said no one on here knows the game of basketball. Funny how things look now.
Looks like Miami has the advantage in the LeBron vs Deng match up more than barely.
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On May 25 2011 14:10 ilikejokes wrote:
The game was over when it went to OT, there was no way the Bulls were winning playing on tired legs, especially after Wade rested for half the 4th quarter. So it wasn't Deng throwing it out of bounds, although that was a terrible play, and it wasn't DRose turning it over because he was exhausted. It wasn't your defense because your defense isn't as good as you think it is, the Bulls are just a shitty offensive team. DRose takes some stupid shots because he doesn't have other options, I don't like it but it's a situation that you have to deal with in every game and the Bulls still win more often than they lose, so I accept it. DRose missing his free throw late and Boozer missing two early were both reasons we lost, and you didn't even pick that. The refereeing was lopsided. Are the Heat going to get more calls? Yes. Are they going to get as many more calls and non-calls in their favor as they did? They really shouldn't.
The Bulls certainly could have won this game by executing down the stretch. The Heat won this game by making free throws. That's not basketball. That's bullshit.
Also I find this hilarious too. The game was over when it went into OT because the Bulls were tired. Well I thought the Bulls were so deep and had such a bench advantage? Why were the starters playing so much? I mean the Heat were able to rest Wade in the 4th and he was fresh and they aren't deep at all. Why didn't the Bulls give their starters a rest?
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On May 25 2011 15:04 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:10 ilikejokes wrote:
The game was over when it went to OT, there was no way the Bulls were winning playing on tired legs, especially after Wade rested for half the 4th quarter. So it wasn't Deng throwing it out of bounds, although that was a terrible play, and it wasn't DRose turning it over because he was exhausted. It wasn't your defense because your defense isn't as good as you think it is, the Bulls are just a shitty offensive team. DRose takes some stupid shots because he doesn't have other options, I don't like it but it's a situation that you have to deal with in every game and the Bulls still win more often than they lose, so I accept it. DRose missing his free throw late and Boozer missing two early were both reasons we lost, and you didn't even pick that. The refereeing was lopsided. Are the Heat going to get more calls? Yes. Are they going to get as many more calls and non-calls in their favor as they did? They really shouldn't.
The Bulls certainly could have won this game by executing down the stretch. The Heat won this game by making free throws. That's not basketball. That's bullshit. Also I find this hilarious too. The game was over when it went into OT because the Bulls were tired. Well I thought the Bulls were so deep and had such a bench advantage? Why were the starters playing so much? I mean the Heat were able to rest Wade in the 4th and he was fresh and they aren't deep at all. Why didn't the Bulls give their starters a rest?
The Bulls bench was awful tonight, that's why the starters had to keep playing. For the Heat the trio of Haslem/Miller/Chalmers played amazing at both ends of the floor. It's surprising, going into this series I would have given that edge to the Bulls.
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Miami gets to the free throw line more simply because they have more players who aggressively drive the paint, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Chicago on the other has that singular player. And when you're defending the paint as fiercely as Chicago does all game, you're bound to give away fts, simply put, Miami has two of the best slashers in the game so expect to give up at least 20 plus free throws per game.
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On May 25 2011 14:10 ilikejokes wrote:
The game was over when it went to OT, there was no way the Bulls were winning playing on tired legs, especially after Wade rested for half the 4th quarter. So it wasn't Deng throwing it out of bounds, although that was a terrible play, and it wasn't DRose turning it over because he was exhausted. It wasn't your defense because your defense isn't as good as you think it is, the Bulls are just a shitty offensive team. DRose takes some stupid shots because he doesn't have other options, I don't like it but it's a situation that you have to deal with in every game and the Bulls still win more often than they lose, so I accept it. DRose missing his free throw late and Boozer missing two early were both reasons we lost, and you didn't even pick that. The refereeing was lopsided. Are the Heat going to get more calls? Yes. Are they going to get as many more calls and non-calls in their favor as they did? They really shouldn't.
The Bulls certainly could have won this game by executing down the stretch. The Heat won this game by making free throws. That's not basketball. That's bullshit.
Making free throws isn't basketball?
God dammit, after every game this thread is just nothing but people bitching about officiating. It's become almost unreadable -_-
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On May 25 2011 15:04 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 14:10 ilikejokes wrote:
The game was over when it went to OT, there was no way the Bulls were winning playing on tired legs, especially after Wade rested for half the 4th quarter. So it wasn't Deng throwing it out of bounds, although that was a terrible play, and it wasn't DRose turning it over because he was exhausted. It wasn't your defense because your defense isn't as good as you think it is, the Bulls are just a shitty offensive team. DRose takes some stupid shots because he doesn't have other options, I don't like it but it's a situation that you have to deal with in every game and the Bulls still win more often than they lose, so I accept it. DRose missing his free throw late and Boozer missing two early were both reasons we lost, and you didn't even pick that. The refereeing was lopsided. Are the Heat going to get more calls? Yes. Are they going to get as many more calls and non-calls in their favor as they did? They really shouldn't.
The Bulls certainly could have won this game by executing down the stretch. The Heat won this game by making free throws. That's not basketball. That's bullshit. Also I find this hilarious too. The game was over when it went into OT because the Bulls were tired. Well I thought the Bulls were so deep and had such a bench advantage? Why were the starters playing so much? I mean the Heat were able to rest Wade in the 4th and he was fresh and they aren't deep at all. Why didn't the Bulls give their starters a rest?
I don't know, maybe because their backup center is injured and their backup perimeter guys were playing awful defense in a close game? The Bulls still played 10 guys in this game and the Heat only played 8. Deeper team, deeper rotation.
You're a joke; you hid after game 1 (when everything I said came true) and you're only coming back now because Miami took a 3-1 series lead, partly because the Bulls decided not to show up and partly due to some questionable officiating. You obviously still don't know squat about basketball, but that's fine because you're a fan. Fans don't have to know the game. But you shouldn't act like you know more than you do. The fact of the matter is you come off as someone who has never put the ball on the floor, never played in a real game.
Ever think Miami gets more attempts because they are the more aggressive team? Look at the two guys who got the most attempts tonight, LeBron and Bosh. Their fouls are coming when they attack the basket. Look at the guys with the high foul counts on Chicago. Boozer, Noah, Deng. Even Asik and Gibson had high fouls for the minutes they played. You know why? Miami went at those guys. When you are aggressive on the offensive end, chances are that you will draw the foul. This is common knowledge.
Lebron James, 4 shots at the rim (3 makes, 1 miss): 13 free throws
Chris Bosh, 3 shots at the rim (1 make, 2 misses): 11 free throws
Dwyane Wade, 6 shots at the rim (3 makes, 3 misses): 4 free throws --- his attempts were actually consummate with how much he attacked the basket
Yeah they definitely were attempting free throws from attacking the basket you're sure right about that one.
Derrick Rose, 8 shots at the rim (3 makes, 5 misses): 7 free throws
At least go for an argument that isn't some recycled shit from an old ESPN.com article.
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