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On May 26 2011 01:17 Jibba wrote:
There were a couple of terrible Joey Crawford-isms last night, but nothing to change the game that drastically. I hate the Heat and I was wishing I could just blame the refs, but then calls started going the other way. Miami's defense, especially Lebron, was just phenomenal and Chicago's offense is anemic. Even when Boozer was getting points, he wasn't getting particularly efficient post opportunities like you'd like. If Bosh weren't just a tall noodle, the Bulls would be completely done.
Chicago should have an advantage at PG duties, even when Wade/Lebron are playing it, but Rose isn't getting anything done. He's not just shooting poorly, he's just not helping his teammates that much.
To me, it's still an exciting series. Both defenses are great and even when Lebron is sliding through and fooling people, you just have to accept that that's what he does. I'm a bit worried for my Mavs domination, the way the Heat played last night.
I think that Rose's supporting cast is unhelpable. Korver is, sadly, the difference in this series. As good as the Heat's defense has been in this series, it is not as good at people are saying. The Bulls have 1 player who can hit an open three: Deng, and he is being guarded by James or Wade who are outstanding at closing out. The reason the Heat D looks better is because the Bulls have to defend 100% of the offensive end, the Heat have to defend 60-70% of it.
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On May 26 2011 01:31 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 01:17 Jibba wrote:
There were a couple of terrible Joey Crawford-isms last night, but nothing to change the game that drastically. I hate the Heat and I was wishing I could just blame the refs, but then calls started going the other way. Miami's defense, especially Lebron, was just phenomenal and Chicago's offense is anemic. Even when Boozer was getting points, he wasn't getting particularly efficient post opportunities like you'd like. If Bosh weren't just a tall noodle, the Bulls would be completely done.
Chicago should have an advantage at PG duties, even when Wade/Lebron are playing it, but Rose isn't getting anything done. He's not just shooting poorly, he's just not helping his teammates that much.
To me, it's still an exciting series. Both defenses are great and even when Lebron is sliding through and fooling people, you just have to accept that that's what he does. I'm a bit worried for my Mavs domination, the way the Heat played last night. I think that Rose's supporting cast is unhelpable. Korver is, sadly, the difference in this series. As good as the Heat's defense has been in this series, it is not as good at people are saying. The Bulls have 1 player who can hit an open three: Deng, and he is being guarded by James or Wade who are outstanding at closing out. The reason the Heat D looks better is because the Bulls have to defend 100% of the offensive end, the Heat have to defend 60-70% of it.
I don't think that's fair at all. The Heat hustle on defense against who ever has the ball. Rose didn't win 60 games on his own, his team is good. They play excellent defense and they all have valuable offensive skill sets. Unfortunately, efficient scoring isn't on that list for any of them and that's what hurts when you play a defense like the Heat's.
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On May 26 2011 02:10 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 01:31 cLutZ wrote:On May 26 2011 01:17 Jibba wrote:
There were a couple of terrible Joey Crawford-isms last night, but nothing to change the game that drastically. I hate the Heat and I was wishing I could just blame the refs, but then calls started going the other way. Miami's defense, especially Lebron, was just phenomenal and Chicago's offense is anemic. Even when Boozer was getting points, he wasn't getting particularly efficient post opportunities like you'd like. If Bosh weren't just a tall noodle, the Bulls would be completely done.
Chicago should have an advantage at PG duties, even when Wade/Lebron are playing it, but Rose isn't getting anything done. He's not just shooting poorly, he's just not helping his teammates that much.
To me, it's still an exciting series. Both defenses are great and even when Lebron is sliding through and fooling people, you just have to accept that that's what he does. I'm a bit worried for my Mavs domination, the way the Heat played last night. I think that Rose's supporting cast is unhelpable. Korver is, sadly, the difference in this series. As good as the Heat's defense has been in this series, it is not as good at people are saying. The Bulls have 1 player who can hit an open three: Deng, and he is being guarded by James or Wade who are outstanding at closing out. The reason the Heat D looks better is because the Bulls have to defend 100% of the offensive end, the Heat have to defend 60-70% of it. I don't think that's fair at all. The Heat hustle on defense against who ever has the ball. Rose didn't win 60 games on his own, his team is good. They play excellent defense and they all have valuable offensive skill sets. Unfortunately, efficient scoring isn't on that list for any of them and that's what hurts when you play a defense like the Heat's.
Its not a slight against the heat, its smart for them to do what they are doing. Korver is 3/10 on three point shots, all 10 of them being open looks. 30% isn't abysmal, until you realize he might as well have been in the 3 pt shooting contest on those shots. Like I said, if I was Miami I'd do the same thing, but it wouldn't work if the Bulls actually knocked down open looks.
The story of the series is that whenever Lebron/Wade/Bosh has an open shot it goes in. Rose doesn't get open looks so we don't know what would happen if he did, but the 2 guards on the Bulls either miss or pass up the open look nearly every time.
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On May 26 2011 02:10 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 01:31 cLutZ wrote:On May 26 2011 01:17 Jibba wrote:
There were a couple of terrible Joey Crawford-isms last night, but nothing to change the game that drastically. I hate the Heat and I was wishing I could just blame the refs, but then calls started going the other way. Miami's defense, especially Lebron, was just phenomenal and Chicago's offense is anemic. Even when Boozer was getting points, he wasn't getting particularly efficient post opportunities like you'd like. If Bosh weren't just a tall noodle, the Bulls would be completely done.
Chicago should have an advantage at PG duties, even when Wade/Lebron are playing it, but Rose isn't getting anything done. He's not just shooting poorly, he's just not helping his teammates that much.
To me, it's still an exciting series. Both defenses are great and even when Lebron is sliding through and fooling people, you just have to accept that that's what he does. I'm a bit worried for my Mavs domination, the way the Heat played last night. I think that Rose's supporting cast is unhelpable. Korver is, sadly, the difference in this series. As good as the Heat's defense has been in this series, it is not as good at people are saying. The Bulls have 1 player who can hit an open three: Deng, and he is being guarded by James or Wade who are outstanding at closing out. The reason the Heat D looks better is because the Bulls have to defend 100% of the offensive end, the Heat have to defend 60-70% of it. I don't think that's fair at all. The Heat hustle on defense against who ever has the ball. Rose didn't win 60 games on his own, his team is good. They play excellent defense and they all have valuable offensive skill sets. Unfortunately, efficient scoring isn't on that list for any of them and that's what hurts when you play a defense like the Heat's.
Rose did win 20-30 games basically on his own, though.
Yes the team's defense has been good and relatively consistent, but to say they all have "valuable offensive skill sets" is a laugher. Korver is a one-dimensional player in that he can hit open jump shots, but besides that he's below replacement level on both ends of the floor. Brewer has the "valuable offensive skill set" of dunking. Boozer has the deepest offensive skill set but then he broke his shooting hand and missed a fourth of the season. Noah has an offensive skill set? In my dreams. He used to have that nice 15-footer but he doesn't even have that anymore (torn ligaments in his hand). Asik can barely hold on to the ball (thank goodness he got a better handle for the playoffs) and can't do anything on offense outside of 5 feet, besides setting average screens. Deng is probably the Bulls most complete two-way player, but he has trouble creating his own shot and he never learned to milk the contact for calls (something I'm totally fine with but doesn't get you many FTA in this league). CJ Watson sometimes does a halfway decent Rose impression and other times just throws up bricks. Taj Gibson had an offensive game at the start of the season, then he lost it, then he found it again, and more recently he lost it.
There are a number of players coming off the bench that would be way more valuable on offense if they were more consistent. Unfortunately, they're not, and, unfortunately, Thibs is not a great offensive coach. His defensive coaching is phenomenal but the Bulls offense is not very fluid and doesn't have consistent 2nd, 3rd options, so teams only have to defend the 1st option most of the time. Contrast this with the Heat offense where you have three players who can create their own shot and one player who can run the offense regardless of his coach (James). Rose isn't as good of a playmaker as James and it shows in this series.
I agree the game wasn't "decided" by the refereeing, because the Bulls could have executed better down the stretch and won, but there's no denying that (for example) LeBron gets some calls that Deng doesn't.
The most frustrating thing to me about the Miami Heat isn't their stupid celebration or the fact that they live in a disgusting city, but that LeBron and Wade are two of the biggest flop artists in the league. Bosh I can live with selling a call now and then, but James and Wade take flopping to a whole 'nother level. It's disgusting. That's what I mean when I say it's not basketball, it's bullshit.
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On May 26 2011 02:24 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 02:10 slyboogie wrote:On May 26 2011 01:31 cLutZ wrote:On May 26 2011 01:17 Jibba wrote:
There were a couple of terrible Joey Crawford-isms last night, but nothing to change the game that drastically. I hate the Heat and I was wishing I could just blame the refs, but then calls started going the other way. Miami's defense, especially Lebron, was just phenomenal and Chicago's offense is anemic. Even when Boozer was getting points, he wasn't getting particularly efficient post opportunities like you'd like. If Bosh weren't just a tall noodle, the Bulls would be completely done.
Chicago should have an advantage at PG duties, even when Wade/Lebron are playing it, but Rose isn't getting anything done. He's not just shooting poorly, he's just not helping his teammates that much.
To me, it's still an exciting series. Both defenses are great and even when Lebron is sliding through and fooling people, you just have to accept that that's what he does. I'm a bit worried for my Mavs domination, the way the Heat played last night. I think that Rose's supporting cast is unhelpable. Korver is, sadly, the difference in this series. As good as the Heat's defense has been in this series, it is not as good at people are saying. The Bulls have 1 player who can hit an open three: Deng, and he is being guarded by James or Wade who are outstanding at closing out. The reason the Heat D looks better is because the Bulls have to defend 100% of the offensive end, the Heat have to defend 60-70% of it. I don't think that's fair at all. The Heat hustle on defense against who ever has the ball. Rose didn't win 60 games on his own, his team is good. They play excellent defense and they all have valuable offensive skill sets. Unfortunately, efficient scoring isn't on that list for any of them and that's what hurts when you play a defense like the Heat's. Its not a slight against the heat, its smart for them to do what they are doing. Korver is 3/10 on three point shots, all 10 of them being open looks. 30% isn't abysmal, until you realize he might as well have been in the 3 pt shooting contest on those shots. Like I said, if I was Miami I'd do the same thing, but it wouldn't work if the Bulls actually knocked down open looks. The story of the series is that whenever Lebron/Wade/Bosh has an open shot it goes in. Rose doesn't get open looks so we don't know what would happen if he did, but the 2 guards on the Bulls either miss or pass up the open look nearly every time.
Another uneducated Bulls fan.
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Miami's defense not good? It's right behing bulls and celtics in the regular season, or did i get something wrong?
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The most appalling thing about this thread is that after the last 3 months of Derrick Rose being on National TV people are still making excuses for him and pointing out what's wrong with everyone else on his team.
NEWSFLASH: They look just like they have all season. Rose has terrible shooting nights, the defense keeps them in the game, they dominate on the glass and then win.
For the last 6 months as I told people Miami vs Chicago came down to last possessions and so called "experts" and "knowledgeable fans" kept riding the Rose bandwagon and even had the gall to say he was the best PG in the NBA I kept parroting those stats. Of course ignorance allows "experts" to ignore what was clearly there and now that it's happening like many people not bought into the hype said it would - it's his teams fault.
The amount of excuses and all of a sudden "these players aren't that good anyway" logic is astounding. Coming from people that for months were arguing about how bad Miami is and how good the Bulls are and why they'll win.
You people are a joke.
On May 26 2011 02:43 matko5 wrote:
Miami's defense not good? It's right behing bulls and celtics in the regular season, or did i get something wrong?
It is. But it's looked like the best in the post-season so far.
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On May 26 2011 02:43 matko5 wrote:
Miami's defense not good? It's right behing bulls and celtics in the regular season, or did i get something wrong?
Miami's defense is good.
For the last 6 months as I told people Miami vs Chicago came down to last possessions and so called "experts" and "knowledgeable fans" kept riding the Rose bandwagon and even had the gall to say he was the best PG in the NBA I kept parroting those stats. Of course ignorance allows "experts" to ignore what was clearly there and now that it's happening like many people not bought into the hype said it would - it's his teams fault.
2nd best, behind Paul.
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On May 26 2011 02:38 ilikejokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 02:10 slyboogie wrote:On May 26 2011 01:31 cLutZ wrote:On May 26 2011 01:17 Jibba wrote:
There were a couple of terrible Joey Crawford-isms last night, but nothing to change the game that drastically. I hate the Heat and I was wishing I could just blame the refs, but then calls started going the other way. Miami's defense, especially Lebron, was just phenomenal and Chicago's offense is anemic. Even when Boozer was getting points, he wasn't getting particularly efficient post opportunities like you'd like. If Bosh weren't just a tall noodle, the Bulls would be completely done.
Chicago should have an advantage at PG duties, even when Wade/Lebron are playing it, but Rose isn't getting anything done. He's not just shooting poorly, he's just not helping his teammates that much.
To me, it's still an exciting series. Both defenses are great and even when Lebron is sliding through and fooling people, you just have to accept that that's what he does. I'm a bit worried for my Mavs domination, the way the Heat played last night. I think that Rose's supporting cast is unhelpable. Korver is, sadly, the difference in this series. As good as the Heat's defense has been in this series, it is not as good at people are saying. The Bulls have 1 player who can hit an open three: Deng, and he is being guarded by James or Wade who are outstanding at closing out. The reason the Heat D looks better is because the Bulls have to defend 100% of the offensive end, the Heat have to defend 60-70% of it. I don't think that's fair at all. The Heat hustle on defense against who ever has the ball. Rose didn't win 60 games on his own, his team is good. They play excellent defense and they all have valuable offensive skill sets. Unfortunately, efficient scoring isn't on that list for any of them and that's what hurts when you play a defense like the Heat's. Rose did win 20-30 games basically on his own, though. Yes the team's defense has been good and relatively consistent, but to say they all have "valuable offensive skill sets" is a laugher. Korver is a one-dimensional player in that he can hit open jump shots, but besides that he's below replacement level on both ends of the floor. Brewer has the "valuable offensive skill set" of dunking. Boozer has the deepest offensive skill set but then he broke his shooting hand and missed a fourth of the season. Noah has an offensive skill set? In my dreams. He used to have that nice 15-footer but he doesn't even have that anymore (torn ligaments in his hand). Asik can barely hold on to the ball (thank goodness he got a better handle for the playoffs) and can't do anything on offense outside of 5 feet, besides setting average screens. Deng is probably the Bulls most complete two-way player, but he has trouble creating his own shot and he never learned to milk the contact for calls (something I'm totally fine with but doesn't get you many FTA in this league). CJ Watson sometimes does a halfway decent Rose impression and other times just throws up bricks. Taj Gibson had an offensive game at the start of the season, then he lost it, then he found it again, and more recently he lost it. There are a number of players coming off the bench that would be way more valuable on offense if they were more consistent. Unfortunately, they're not, and, unfortunately, Thibs is not a great offensive coach. His defensive coaching is phenomenal but the Bulls offense is not very fluid and doesn't have consistent 2nd, 3rd options, so teams only have to defend the 1st option most of the time. Contrast this with the Heat offense where you have three players who can create their own shot and one player who can run the offense regardless of his coach (James). Rose isn't as good of a playmaker as James and it shows in this series. I agree the game wasn't "decided" by the refereeing, because the Bulls could have executed better down the stretch and won, but there's no denying that (for example) LeBron gets some calls that Deng doesn't. The most frustrating thing to me about the Miami Heat isn't their stupid celebration or the fact that they live in a disgusting city, but that LeBron and Wade are two of the biggest flop artists in the league. Bosh I can live with selling a call now and then, but James and Wade take flopping to a whole 'nother level. It's disgusting. That's what I mean when I say it's not basketball, it's bullshit.
God, you're so difficult to read, much less respond to. Why are all your posts so angry? I don't particularly like watching Joakim Noah jump up and down with his weird clunky game and bark at guys with his dumb hair or Derrick Rose's jump shooting. But I hope I never come off like I hate them personally(e--tone?)
To address your points. Teams can't be constructed with above average talent at every single roster spot. Teams have to allocate resource (money, playing time, roster spots) to create a team. As you move down the talent pool, players become increasingly fungible, until we reach replacement level. If you are a smart team, or a lucky one, you end up with effective players at your marginal roster positions.
The Bulls have effective players at those positions. There is no reason to point out the flaws of Taj Gibson. Everyone can see what he is. But for where he is on the depth chart, he provides wins. Same for Kyle Korver and his shitty shooting. Joel Anthony as a starting center is probably a tangible negative. Any of the Heat point guards have probably been sub-average as well. The point of this, is that the Bulls' roster minus Rose has contributed far more wins than the Heat's roster minus James or Wade, even if we look exclusively at the offensive side of the ball. That's all I was basically saying.
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On May 26 2011 02:51 ilikejokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 02:43 matko5 wrote:
Miami's defense not good? It's right behing bulls and celtics in the regular season, or did i get something wrong? Miami's defense is good. Show nested quote +For the last 6 months as I told people Miami vs Chicago came down to last possessions and so called "experts" and "knowledgeable fans" kept riding the Rose bandwagon and even had the gall to say he was the best PG in the NBA I kept parroting those stats. Of course ignorance allows "experts" to ignore what was clearly there and now that it's happening like many people not bought into the hype said it would - it's his teams fault. 2nd best, behind Paul.
Deron Willams would like a word
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For the last 6 months as I told people Miami vs Chicago came down to last possessions and so called "experts" and "knowledgeable fans" kept riding the Rose bandwagon and even had the gall to say he was the best PG in the NBA I kept parroting those stats. Of course ignorance allows "experts" to ignore what was clearly there and now that it's happening like many people not bought into the hype said it would - it's his teams fault.
The amount of excuses and all of a sudden "these players aren't that good anyway" logic is astounding. Coming from people that for months were arguing about how bad Miami is and how good the Bulls are and why they'll win.
You people are a joke.
In my defense, I was on the anti-Rose MVP bandwagon far before this series. I'm pretty sure my sentiments have been expressed in this thread about the subject thoroughly.
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On May 26 2011 03:17 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 02:51 ilikejokes wrote:On May 26 2011 02:43 matko5 wrote:
Miami's defense not good? It's right behing bulls and celtics in the regular season, or did i get something wrong? Miami's defense is good. For the last 6 months as I told people Miami vs Chicago came down to last possessions and so called "experts" and "knowledgeable fans" kept riding the Rose bandwagon and even had the gall to say he was the best PG in the NBA I kept parroting those stats. Of course ignorance allows "experts" to ignore what was clearly there and now that it's happening like many people not bought into the hype said it would - it's his teams fault. 2nd best, behind Paul. Deron Willams would like a word
Unless the word is "wrist injury" (ok, two words) I'm not sure what you're getting at. He could have been the best or 2nd best PG this season and then he got injured.
I was just challenging the notion that the Bulls have players with offensive skill sets, by the way; I don't hate them. And most of them, in terms of their total ability, are better than other backups in the league. Brewer is a phenomenal perimeter and on-ball defender. Taj is a good post and help defender and a pretty good shot blocker. Noah is a good help defender/energy guy. Asik is a good shot blocker. I think we all know that I'm a Bulls fan, but in this series the Bulls are mostly armor and the Heat are a pretty well-balanced combination of armor and guns (courtesy of the Big 3). I agree that the Heat's roster aside James, Wade, and Bosh would suck... I think I looked at their collective EWA and without the Big 3 Miami finishes this season with something like 18 wins.
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Rose was the MVP of this season hands down. His stats and lack of team (especially with injuries) prove that. LBJ may be the best player in the league but noone in the league offered as much as Rose did to the bulls. Miami played its 82 game pre-season and now is on cruise control to one of many championships. I hope/wish/dream about OKC coming back (OKC fan) and atleast meeting them in the finals but there is no way Miami isn't winning the title this year. This year Rose was the best PG in the league but overall Paul is better but Rose is easily 2nd. The problem with the last 3 games is Rose losing trust in his teammates. He is much harder to defend when he is also passing a lot instead of driving and getting fouled every possession.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
mike bibby #1 point guard.
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On May 26 2011 02:39 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 02:24 cLutZ wrote:On May 26 2011 02:10 slyboogie wrote:On May 26 2011 01:31 cLutZ wrote:On May 26 2011 01:17 Jibba wrote:
There were a couple of terrible Joey Crawford-isms last night, but nothing to change the game that drastically. I hate the Heat and I was wishing I could just blame the refs, but then calls started going the other way. Miami's defense, especially Lebron, was just phenomenal and Chicago's offense is anemic. Even when Boozer was getting points, he wasn't getting particularly efficient post opportunities like you'd like. If Bosh weren't just a tall noodle, the Bulls would be completely done.
Chicago should have an advantage at PG duties, even when Wade/Lebron are playing it, but Rose isn't getting anything done. He's not just shooting poorly, he's just not helping his teammates that much.
To me, it's still an exciting series. Both defenses are great and even when Lebron is sliding through and fooling people, you just have to accept that that's what he does. I'm a bit worried for my Mavs domination, the way the Heat played last night. I think that Rose's supporting cast is unhelpable. Korver is, sadly, the difference in this series. As good as the Heat's defense has been in this series, it is not as good at people are saying. The Bulls have 1 player who can hit an open three: Deng, and he is being guarded by James or Wade who are outstanding at closing out. The reason the Heat D looks better is because the Bulls have to defend 100% of the offensive end, the Heat have to defend 60-70% of it. I don't think that's fair at all. The Heat hustle on defense against who ever has the ball. Rose didn't win 60 games on his own, his team is good. They play excellent defense and they all have valuable offensive skill sets. Unfortunately, efficient scoring isn't on that list for any of them and that's what hurts when you play a defense like the Heat's. Its not a slight against the heat, its smart for them to do what they are doing. Korver is 3/10 on three point shots, all 10 of them being open looks. 30% isn't abysmal, until you realize he might as well have been in the 3 pt shooting contest on those shots. Like I said, if I was Miami I'd do the same thing, but it wouldn't work if the Bulls actually knocked down open looks. The story of the series is that whenever Lebron/Wade/Bosh has an open shot it goes in. Rose doesn't get open looks so we don't know what would happen if he did, but the 2 guards on the Bulls either miss or pass up the open look nearly every time. Another uneducated Bulls fan.
Wrong, and not a Rose fanboy either. I am actually sorely disappointed that our best player is a PG because IMO it is the worst place to have an elite player. I'd rather have an Elite 5/4/3/2 than an elite PG.
On May 26 2011 02:43 matko5 wrote:
Miami's defense not good? It's right behing bulls and celtics in the regular season, or did i get something wrong?
IMO the Heat could not defend the Heat Offense as well as the Bulls are right now. While the Heat are getting a lot of credit for their D, what the Bulls' D is doing is even more astounding, even in a losing effort.
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Is Rose really the second best point guard? Point guards get a lot of assists and create offense, and in terms of those Nash has been more effective, along with Rondo.
Rose is apparently a better score first point guard (though against Nash that's arguable), and that doesn't seem to be doing too well when they switch Lebron on you and your ball wizardry isn't good enough to punish the mismatch.
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I'm curious why Kurt Thomas wasn't used more last night. If I remember correctly, he was doing a pretty good job filling in during the regular season when Noah went down. Plus, he's got a pretty good perimeter shot that would have helped spread the floor a little bit.
I think it was huge tactical blunder on Thib's part by using his bench so little, especially against a team with athletes like Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Taj, while not as skilled offensively as Boozer, can still score, and I think his defense would have made up for it. Not playing him at all was too much. The Bulls' bench was a huge part of its success all year long, and why they were able to compete against teams with more star players. I think CHI has to play its bench, even if they're not playing well right away, because otherwise they have no shot against a team like MIA otherwise due to the talent disparity.
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On May 26 2011 03:51 igotmyown wrote:
Is Rose really the second best point guard? Point guards get a lot of assists and create offense, and in terms of those Nash has been more effective, along with Rondo.
Rose is apparently a better score first point guard (though against Nash that's arguable), and that doesn't seem to be doing too well when they switch Lebron on you and your ball wizardry isn't good enough to punish the mismatch.
This has been argued to death. Just refer to older posts.
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On May 26 2011 03:54 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 03:51 igotmyown wrote:
Is Rose really the second best point guard? Point guards get a lot of assists and create offense, and in terms of those Nash has been more effective, along with Rondo.
Rose is apparently a better score first point guard (though against Nash that's arguable), and that doesn't seem to be doing too well when they switch Lebron on you and your ball wizardry isn't good enough to punish the mismatch. This has been argued to death. Just refer to older posts.
Except, people continue to keep stating it as a fact. I was there for all those posts.
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On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
Rose is one of two NBA players (the other being Dwight Howard) who you have to see in person to truly understand how amazing he is.
Just 2 huh?
On May 10 2011 09:44 ilikejokes wrote:
In order:
Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Wilt
Olajuwon
Oscar
Kobe
Funny how in your own top 10 greatest ever Rose and Dwight aren't even on it, yet current players like Kobe and Duncan are. But nah, you don't have to see them in person.
On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
I can't think of another player who has been able to create so much offense with so little space, scoring 25/game despite the fact that teams know they can throw double- and triple-teams at him without worrying about the other Bulls players getting their offense going.
Since you like statistics so much, will you pull out the numbers for the ' offense ' that Rose has created with so little space this series? Everyone is waiting to be impressed.
On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
LeBron has immense help in that teams have to worry about both him and Wade down the stretch--they're a nightmare. Yet that team has performed like shit in crunch time.
Performing like shit in crunch time. Well...The bulls are losing to this shitty crunch time team DURING crunch time. What is this black magic...
On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:
Efficiency doesn't make you the MVP. Being the "most valuable player" is about being the best player who makes his teammates play the best, and Derrick Rose did (and does) that better than any other player in the NBA.
Even Rondo with 1 arm made his teammates play better than Rose against the same cheating Heat defense.
On May 09 2011 14:15 ilikejokes wrote:He's the best or second-best point guard in the league (depending on how much you value CP3 as a "pure" point guard over Rose's scoring ability). MVP award aside, he's going to be named All-NBA 1st or 2nd team. How much more "elite" do you want him to be?
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On May 09 2011 17:53 ilikejokes wrote:
I agree that he's not the best player in the league. I don't think anybody is saying that.
On May 09 2011 17:37 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm just saying that it's mathematically incorrect to say that Rose isn't an efficient player.
When it takes Rose 32 shots to score 34 points that's definitely worse than if he did it in 30, 28, 26 shots... you get the idea. But when none of the other Bulls are scoring, Rose is going to take that many shots, and a lot of them won't be pretty, but that's part of what makes Rose so good--unlike Kobe when he was young,
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On May 09 2011 17:48 ilikejokes wrote:
Is Rose shooting too much in the playoffs? Probably.
On May 09 2011 18:23 ilikejokes wrote:
I agree that the media hype definitely gets ridiculous at times (comparing Chris Paul to Magic Johnson is laughable
Ok well I guess we can all consider you laughable now:
On May 09 2011 14:47 ilikejokes wrote:
I would compare Rose to Magic Johnson in the sense that he is not, by any means, a traditional point guard, but that doesn't detract from him as a player.
On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:
I am most worried about the Heat defense
The Heat defense? I thought it was only Wade and James
On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:
I'm also hoping Boozer realizes that he can manhandle Bosh down in the post.
Still waiting on this one. It would probably happen if Boozer wasn't busy staying at the other end of the court picking up cherry pick baskets like game 4 and going back to play D instead.
On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote:The Bulls are arguably less flawed than the Heat from a team perspective--they have an elite point guard, good center, great coaching, great help defense, and a deep bench (Asik is one of the most underrated backup centers in the league right now, Gibson is good enough to start the 4 on most other NBA teams, and Watson is a serviceable backup PG).
Didn't you just get done saying that Rose carried double digit wins on his back? A good center, great coach, great help defense, and deep bench didn't do anything to help those 60+ wins?
On May 13 2011 05:46 ilikejokes wrote: They have a bench consisting of a bunch of three-point specialists and centers who are too old to do anything besides foul.
Man if only Rose were good enough to overcome this enormous obstacle.
On May 13 2011 12:07 ilikejokes wrote:
You can't shut Rose down without non-stop double teams.
You're right. You only need Lebron James. See game 4.
On May 13 2011 13:34 ilikejokes wrote:
da Bulls in 5 baby!
lol.
On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote:
There's no way Miami wins in 6 unless Wade pulls another shady as hell move like he did slamming Rondo down onto the parquet. Winning in 7 would require them to take a game at the United Center (not happening).
Wait, didn't the heat win at the United center?
On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote:
Any way you slice it I see the Bulls winning the series unless some miracle and/or cheating saves it for Wade and friends. Rose and Wade will likely cancel each other out every game and LeBron will barely win the match-up with Deng; but Boozer/Noah will have their way with Bosh/[heat center], Thibs will solve the Heat while Spoelstra can only hurt his team
Lebron barely win the matchup with deng? Lebron shut down Derrick Rose. Boozer/Noah will have their way with Bosh? That's why he scored 30+ twice right? Once in your arena btw.
Thibs will solve the heat? Is that what it was when Udonis Haslem took a shit on the bulls?
On May 13 2011 14:31 ilikejokes wrote: and the Bulls' bench mob will outplay the Heat's lack of a supporting cast (in the playoffs thus far the Bulls bench is beating the Heat bench handily in every major statistical category except turnovers, where the Heat reserves barely have an edge that is more than accounted for by the enormous disparity in steals/blocks/rebounds etc.)
I think I remember you being a stats guy. Can you pull up the numbers showing the Bull's bench beating the heat handily in every major statistical category?
On May 13 2011 15:32 ilikejokes wrote:
In the 3rd game Bosh played really well against the Bulls and the game was even closer than their other two meetings, but the Bulls still pulled out the win. Even with the Big 3 gunning on all cylinders I think the Bulls defense grinds the win out 50% of the time, and the Big 3 are rarely all going at once--you usually get 2/3 of them.
Every win, all 3 of the big 3 have not been on fire. In fact, people outside the big 3 have been on fire. So the defense of the bulls grinds out the win 50% of the time? Is that what 1-3 is?
On May 11 2011 19:11 ilikejokes wrote:
I hear facts are opinions now.
Your posts really bring down this thread.
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