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ilikejokes
United States217 Posts
On May 26 2011 05:11 ShoCkeyy wrote: Yea, the NFL is also full of tall guys. Most of the wide receivers are tall as hell. I just Google'd it and it seems like most wide receivers are in the 6' to 6'3" range, with some of them getting up to like 6'6" but not much more than that though. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On May 26 2011 05:24 Holcan wrote: Thats like the average height for QBs T_T. If i recall correctly, Lebron had a good chance to become a running back, and 6'7" 265 pounds. Way too tall. Running Backs need to be short and compact to be able to take the beating that they take. It's rare you find a RB taller than 6'2 (and that's already stretching it). Lebron would have made an absolute beastly Tight End. The skills are interchangeable too; two of the best TEs of all time were basketball players first (Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates). Also most tall athletic people would opt for the NBA I think. The top salaries are much higher and the contracts are actually guaranteed, unlike the NFL. The only player I can think of that wanted to play in the NFL but had to go to the NBA is Allen Iverson, because he was too small for football (he was an All-Star QB, projected as more talented than Mike Vick was). | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2011 04:44 KOFgokuon wrote: all 5 of them in the league? =/ the death of the NBA center is really depressing Just thought I'd randomly take a look at the Centers in the NBA. Elite (Center height/size, rebounds, blocks shots, controls the paint on both ends, can score in the post and with back to the basket): Dwight Bynum Marc Gasol Pau Gasol (I know he plays PF on the Lakers, but he's still a C in my book due to his height, size, rebounding, shotblocking, and ability to score in the post and with his back to the basket) Duncan (the Spurs like to pretend he's a PF for Allstar voting purposes, but he's been a C for them for forever) Yao (when healthy, which of course he will likely never be again) Good (Elite, but missing one or two of the above elements): Noah (lacks offense) Bogut (a bit short from when I've seen him play) Chandler (lacks offense) Al Jefferson (lacks defense) Average (Elite/Good, but just not as good as the above in general) Gortat Varejao Okafor Perkins Camby Dalembert PF/C (Can be considered Cs, but I see them as PFs due to skillset and style of play): Bosh Aldridge Horford Boozer Nene Cousins Bargnani Hibbert Promising (that I like): DeAndre Monroe | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
There are some exceptions like Samuel Dalembert but all in all unless you're the David Robinson/Dwight Howard type NBA teams won't place enormous value on you. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2011 06:32 Ace wrote: The typical NBA Center is "dead" because they just don't fit neatly into today's game. Mobile bigs that can leave the paint to temp cover a perimeter player are much more valuable than a towering 7 footer that is only worth it when under the basket. There are some exceptions like Samuel Dalembert but all in all unless you're the David Robinson/Dwight Howard type NBA teams won't place enormous value on you. I don't know about that. I think that Bynum and both Gasols are both examples of traditional Centers who are able to thrive and have a large impact in the NBA today. You're right that Centers have to be somewhat mobile to be able to defend pick-and-rolls, but that additional height and length allows them to give perimeter players a little space to stay in front of them while still being able to challenge their shots. The success the Lakers have experienced over the past few seasons is also testament to how having true Centers can be a significant advantage. True, they played terribly this postseason, but that doesn't cancel out the fact that they had three consecutive finals appearances and two consecutive championships coming in. Also, a large part of why DAL was so successful against the Lakers was because they went out and got Chandler and Haywood to deal with the Lakers' size. In fact, you can easily argue that getting Chandler, who, while skinny, is a pretty traditional rebounding/shot blocking/defensive Center, has completely changed the Mavs' defense and allowed them to be so successful this season. Noah's impact on the Bulls is another example. What's definitely true though is that Centers can't get away with just being big anymore. They have to be able to move their feet and stay in front of perimeter players to some degree, or they become more of a liability than a boon on defense. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Chandler might be the most traditional of the bunch, but he's another one of those super athletic centers that has proven that mobility is critical to your chances of winning. Noah is just something else, more like a 7ft guard the way he moves on defense. On May 26 2011 07:32 jmbthirteen wrote: Roy Hibbert cannot play PF. No way, not in any system. The Pacers are moving him to PF? | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 26 2011 07:39 Ace wrote: I actually consider Gasol and Bynum as "new age" Centers because although they play "Big" they also move around the post and can be seen picking up smaller players on coverage away from the basket often. Chandler might be the most traditional of the bunch, but he's another one of those super athletic centers that has proven that mobility is critical to your chances of winning. Noah is just something else, more like a 7ft guard the way he moves on defense. The Pacers are moving him to PF? No, but XaI)CyRiC has him in the PF/C category of his rankings. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Wide Receivers and quarterbacks are supposed to be around 6'4", otherwise they're undersized. And centers weren't big before Shaq. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On May 26 2011 07:44 Xeris wrote: MIKE BROWN TO LA FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKk Kobe's thoughts - "No Comment" I don't get how the Lakers thought that would be a good hire. Then again, I am skeptical of retread coaches. Edit - Brandon Jacobs is 6'4" and I am pretty sure he is as big as they get. I agree with TE being a great fit for Lebron in football. He is too tall to be a RB and too slow to be a WR, imoimo. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2011 07:32 jmbthirteen wrote: Roy Hibbert cannot play PF. No way, not in any system. I put him there because I don't see him as a traditional C in that, from what I've seen, he prefers to just sit out on the perimeter and shoot from there instead of employing post offense with his back-to-the-basket. The PF/C label is more about the fact that he doesn't really fit the C profile, rather than how well he fits the PF profile. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2011 07:39 Ace wrote: I actually consider Gasol and Bynum as "new age" Centers because although they play "Big" they also move around the post and can be seen picking up smaller players on coverage away from the basket often. Chandler might be the most traditional of the bunch, but he's another one of those super athletic centers that has proven that mobility is critical to your chances of winning. Noah is just something else, more like a 7ft guard the way he moves on defense. I don't think that being able to move around the post and pick up smaller players on coverage away from the basket makes them "new age" or non-traditional Centers. I've never seen anyone defense the traditional or prototypical Center as being immobile. It's my understanding that it's always been more about the height, size and length, the ability to control the paint and take up space down there on both ends, and having a back-to-the-basket post game that their teams can rely on to get them points when the games slow down. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On May 26 2011 07:44 Xeris wrote: MIKE BROWN TO LA FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKk FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK Please be trolling. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 26 2011 08:15 XaI)CyRiC wrote: I put him there because I don't see him as a traditional C in that, from what I've seen, he prefers to just sit out on the perimeter and shoot from there instead of employing post offense with his back-to-the-basket. The PF/C label is more about the fact that he doesn't really fit the C profile, rather than how well he fits the PF profile. He actually prefers the post game. Its more about being able to hold his position in the post. He lost a ton of weight in the last off season and it was necessary. And at the start of the season Hibbert was really good. But as the season went on he lost more weight and he just couldn't keep his positioning in the post. This off season he said he is working on adding some muscle which will help him big time. He has post skills. But he can hit a 15 footer too. EDIT: Also for most of his career the Pacers had a terrible coach in Jim O'Brien who loved to have his big men at the high post. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On May 26 2011 08:27 LunarDestiny wrote: FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK Please be trolling. He not trolling: http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6587752 4 Years / $18.25 million. 3 Years are guaranteed, team option in the 4th but he still getting like half year's pay if they don't want him back. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 26 2011 08:32 jmbthirteen wrote: He actually prefers the post game. Its more about being able to hold his position in the post. He lost a ton of weight in the last off season and it was necessary. And at the start of the season Hibbert was really good. But as the season went on he lost more weight and he just couldn't keep his positioning in the post. This off season he said he is working on adding some muscle which will help him big time. He has post skills. But he can hit a 15 footer too. EDIT: Also for most of his career the Pacers had a terrible coach in Jim O'Brien who loved to have his big men at the high post. Well, consider me corrected  I do remember being confused by him standing around the high post all the time whenever I saw him play, because I remember that he was supposed to have a post game from what I read before. I also recall reading how he made a concerted effort to lose weight coming into this season, and that his production increased dramatically once he did. But then he had a dropoff, which apparently can be traced to him losing too much weight without building up the requisite muscle to match. It'll be interesting to see how his game will look next season. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 26 2011 08:18 XaI)CyRiC wrote: I don't think that being able to move around the post and pick up smaller players on coverage away from the basket makes them "new age" or non-traditional Centers. I've never seen anyone defense the traditional or prototypical Center as being immobile. It's my understanding that it's always been more about the height, size and length, the ability to control the paint and take up space down there on both ends, and having a back-to-the-basket post game that their teams can rely on to get them points when the games slow down. Yea, just because someone has hops doesn't make them "new age". | ||
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