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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On May 26 2011 07:31 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
What's definitely true though is that Centers can't get away with just being big anymore. They have to be able to move their feet and stay in front of perimeter players to some degree, or they become more of a liability than a boon on defense.
Which center in history got away with being just big?
Going back to Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Shaq, Moses Malone, Hakeem, they all had tremendous post moves and dominated in the paint. They were also able to move their frame very quickly.
Even Dwight.
I think its just natural genetics variance. Hard to genetically gift a 7 ft 260 lb+ fast moving monster compared to your average shooter.
But I'm just speculating, I have no evidence to back this up.
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On May 26 2011 09:27 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 07:31 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
What's definitely true though is that Centers can't get away with just being big anymore. They have to be able to move their feet and stay in front of perimeter players to some degree, or they become more of a liability than a boon on defense. Which center in history got away with being just big? Going back to Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Shaq, Moses Malone, Hakeem, they all had tremendous post moves and dominated in the paint. They were also able to move their frame very quickly. Even Dwight. I think its just natural genetics variance. Hard to genetically gift a 7 ft 260 lb+ fast moving monster compared to your average shooter. But I'm just speculating, I have no evidence to back this up.
This is called "Planet Theory," after George Young, a New York Giants' executive
Jim Schwartz, the Detroit Lions' head coach, after drafting Nick Fairley in 2011 (and Ndamukong Suh in 2011: "That are strong enough to play the run and athletic enough to play the pass? There's not many people like that walking the planet."
Basically, it's why you draft for clear physical dominance. Applies to every single physical sport, I'm sure. It sure explains Howard over Emeka Okafur and, to a lesser extent, Oden over Durant.
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On May 26 2011 09:27 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 07:31 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
What's definitely true though is that Centers can't get away with just being big anymore. They have to be able to move their feet and stay in front of perimeter players to some degree, or they become more of a liability than a boon on defense. Which center in history got away with being just big? Going back to Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Shaq, Moses Malone, Hakeem, they all had tremendous post moves and dominated in the paint. They were also able to move their frame very quickly. Even Dwight. I think its just natural genetics variance. Hard to genetically gift a 7 ft 260 lb+ fast moving monster compared to your average shooter. But I'm just speculating, I have no evidence to back this up.
It is true. It is also why there are so many good point guards in the league. It is much easier to find a fast, athletic, skilled 6'2" guy than the same guy at 6'10". Everyone knows Lebron James isn't the most skilled player in the league, he is just bigger, faster, stronger, and still exceptionally skilled.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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I agree wholehearted that you draft for raw athleticism in most cases in the NBA (though there are exceptions - see Harold Miner, Marvin "the Levitator" Levitt etc.).
I remember reading an article about KG when he was a rookie. The reason he was picked so high as a skinny completely raw teenager (17 or 18) was because "He ran and jumped like Superman" the training staff never saw anything like that.
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United States22883 Posts
As Chuckles would say, I'm rolling over in my grave.
Out of the teams left, how many of them drafted their top big man? (Dirk doesn't count.) And how many were Greg Oden level prospects? Just to make it a bit clearer, Noah was a #9 pick in kind of a mediocre year. Max contract players are max contract players. If you have a higher % of getting a stud guard, which can then be flipped for a big man, why go for the big man? So you can do some franchise building like Orlando and San Antonio? It barely, barely, barely, barely ever happens.
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lol KG was hopping around below the basket and touching the top of the board with both hands over and over. Pretty crazy shit.
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Jibba do you consider Yao Ming a burst? or a success worthy of #1 pick?
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On May 26 2011 04:47 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:39 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 26 2011 04:27 slyboogie wrote:On May 26 2011 04:12 Ace wrote:
By the way, IF it does indeed happen - and being that it's the Clippers you never know: If Chicago somehow ends up with Eric Gordon Miami is in serious trouble. It's been a rumor I've heard Chicago fans talking about and it's a very scary thought. Shut up about EJ. They aren't trading him. He might walk but there is no way the Clippers would trade a cost controlled asset that performs like him. Did you forget about Sterling? I believe he will pay when it actually happens. I wouldn't be too surprised to see EJ traded because Sterling doesn't want to pay him. It would be ashame because him and Griffin together is a very nice duo going forward. And the Pacers won't let the Bulls get EJ. He is a hometown kid, his family still lives in Indy, he even attended a home playoff game. His parents both would love him to play there (they have said this to fans) and even EJ would like to play there according to his parents. If EJ is in any way available or the Clippers don't want to pay him when he becomes a RFA, the Pacers will go after him big time. If he hits free agency, that's different story. He won't though. The Clippers will definitely give the qualifying offer and match any offer (barring ridiculous.)
I hear them Hawks are lurkin' ;p
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United States22883 Posts
On May 26 2011 11:29 rei wrote:
Jibba do you consider Yao Ming a burst? or a success worthy of #1 pick?
After the fact, of course. But after the fact doesn't mean anything.
Plus I think Yao raises a point for all future big men, possibly even Howard. Bodies like that don't last as long.
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shaq too have big toe problem, everytime big dudes changes direction, jumping and landing they put a shit load of stress on big toe/ankle/knee. Yao Ming was the lightest of them all and he doesn't even jump that high or move that fast, it just his bones are weaker than shaq and other big centers.
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On May 26 2011 11:39 rei wrote:
shaq too have big toe problem, everytime big dudes changes direction, jumping and landing they put a shit load of stress on big toe/ankle/knee. Yao Ming was the lightest of them all and he doesn't even jump that high or move that fast, it just his bones are weaker than shaq and other big centers.
Shaq's got milk, obviously! ;D
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United States22883 Posts
Ace, I realize this sounds idiotic but if you're 6'9 Kevin Durant with a 33" vertical and you have grandpa Kidd guarding you, what's contesting spot up 3's?
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On May 26 2011 11:39 rei wrote:
shaq too have big toe problem, everytime big dudes changes direction, jumping and landing they put a shit load of stress on big toe/ankle/knee. Yao Ming was the lightest of them all and he doesn't even jump that high or move that fast, it just his bones are weaker than shaq and other big centers.
Shaq was the only center heavier than Yao.
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lmao nothing. Just goes to show you why Durant isn't "ready" yet. Every time Jason Kidd guards him I'm waiting for a spin off to the lane or a 3 pointer in his face.
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harden looks like the star of okc right now
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On May 26 2011 12:01 Ace wrote:
lmao nothing. Just goes to show you why Durant isn't "ready" yet. Every time Jason Kidd guards him I'm waiting for a spin off to the lane or a 3 pointer in his face.
Kind of like when Kidd was guarding Kobe? For some reason, even as long as you don't blow by Kidd, he does a surprisingly good job on jumpers.
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Harden has been excellent all series. He has been really impressive and I think will certainly be a critical component of this Thunder team going forward.
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On May 26 2011 12:04 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 12:01 Ace wrote:
lmao nothing. Just goes to show you why Durant isn't "ready" yet. Every time Jason Kidd guards him I'm waiting for a spin off to the lane or a 3 pointer in his face. Kind of like when Kidd was guarding Kobe? For some reason, even as long as you don't blow by Kidd, he does a surprisingly good job on jumpers.
not exactly since Durant is a better shooter, 6'11 and larger wing span. Kidd is going to have a hell of a time getting in his jersey to stop that.
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harden doing it in the defensive and offensive end. fear the beard.
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