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calvo26
Austria17 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:07 a176 wrote: you are saying rondo sucks because he doesnt get superstar pts? that is your argument? lol no moron. I'm saying rondo's huge amount of assists are from the incredible scorers in his team. User was warned for this post | ||
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Deleted User 30223
3104 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:04 city42 wrote: I'm through being nice to you. Listen up dumbass, you just used minutes per game to dismiss a statistical comparison between Rondo and Arroyo on the last page, and now you throw raw year-to-year stats at us without considering MPG? Doc and Rondo didn't get along at all during his rookie season, so he barely got any playing time. His minutes have increased EVERY season so far, and he's up to 41 in 2010-2011. More importantly, how many 20 year old point guards come into the NBA and take it by storm? Magic Johnson is the list. Rondo was a completely raw talent, coached by an inept Tubby Smith at Kentucky, who got the axe right after Rondo left early and is currently ruining Ralph Sampson's son at Minnesota. It takes time for young guards to adjust to the pro game, especially on the defensive end. Rondo's level of growth has been enormous, and for his age he's remarkably confident and mature on the court. He's the most indispensable member of the Celtics by a huge margin. mmmm.. i'd disagree with that last statement. paul pierce is pretty consistent and definitely a valuable asset to the celtics. ray-ray can't hit 7 3's every game and kg blows up every so often. plus he was the one trying to hold the team together before the big 3 came together and rondo finally woke up into the monster he is. so i'd argue that he's around as important as rondo to the team. | ||
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Deleted User 30223
3104 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:06 calvo26 wrote: to all the crybabies who are butt hurt about this discussion, my main argument was really about rondo vs rose. Rose is clearly the winner, and He will surpass rondo in every aspect in the near future. On November 12 2010 12:18 calvo26 wrote: lol rondo's assists are pretty laughable. All he does is pass it to ray allen, whos draining threes like no other atm, lobbing it to the centre for kg to just tip in which requires no skill watsoever. i don't know. that doesn't really scream "rondo's not bad for a point guard, but rose is clearly better than him" to me. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:06 calvo26 wrote: to all the crybabies who are butt hurt about this discussion, my main argument was really about rondo vs rose. Rose is clearly the winner, and He will surpass rondo in every aspect in the near future. Yep, because Rose has shown leaps and bounds so far in his NBA career, yep. He might offensively since Chicago actually depends on his scoring, but defensively? No thanks. | ||
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calvo26
Austria17 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:12 goldenkrnboi wrote: i don't know. that doesn't really scream "rondo's not bad for a point guard, but rose is clearly better than him" to me. Well now you know. Rose is better than rondo. | ||
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calvo26
Austria17 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:13 Judicator wrote: Yep, because Rose has shown leaps and bounds so far in his NBA career, yep. He might offensively since Chicago actually depends on his scoring, but defensively? No thanks. give rondo a season or 2 more (rondo is already 2 seasons more experienced than him) and he'll vastly improve his defence under tibbadeau. His current defense isn't even bad either, not sure where all the haters are getting this idea from. P.s. he's currently averaging 24ppg 10apg without boozer. "Rose has shown leaps and bounds so far in his NBA career, yep." if he keeps that up, he'l be the first player in NBA history to achieve such stats in a season. | ||
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Deleted User 30223
3104 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:14 calvo26 wrote: Well now you know. Rose is better than rondo. edit: now you have | ||
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calvo26
Austria17 Posts
defence is the only aspect where rondo has legitimate skill over rose at the moment. otherwise, rose is better in all other aspects. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:15 calvo26 wrote: give rondo a season or 2 more (rondo is already 2 seasons more experienced than him) and he'll vastly improve his defence under tibbadeau. His current defense isn't even bad either, not sure where all the haters are getting this idea from. P.s. he's currently averaging 24ppg 10apg without boozer. "Rose has shown leaps and bounds so far in his NBA career, yep." if he keeps that up, he'l be the first player in NBA history to achieve such stats in a season. Umm, you like small sample sizes huh? His current defense isn't that great, notice his perimeter defense is mediocre at best. | ||
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Deleted User 30223
3104 Posts
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royzizzle
Korea (North)51 Posts
Kobe Bryant: 11/32 shooting, 3 rebound, 5 assists. He shot the Lakers out of the game | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 12 2010 15:17 calvo26 wrote: defence is the only aspect where rondo has legitimate skill over rose at the moment. otherwise, rose is better in all other aspects. Actually Rose's only advantage over Rondo is scoring. Passing, all aspects of defense, rebounding, playoff performance, leadership, cross match-up problems - Rondo has him beat by far. Rose has high potential but hasn't put it all together yet. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
The Heat are still a work in progress. I have no doubt that by the end of the season they will have worked out most of their kinks. In this game Bosh really did seem like a liability, though. Lebron needs to get in his face and tell him to stop getting pushed around down low. That Rondo dunk on him was hilarious. He just stood there for crying out loud. Less RuPaul basketball, more punch-you-in-the-mouth basketball please! And to the Rondo hate...all I can think of is that rebound he ripped away from Haslem after a missed free throw and then threw off Haslem's body out-of-bounds...this kid has way more than just assists. He fights for the loose balls, plays good defense, rebounds like few point guards do, and plays well within the team. Who cares if he's making simple passes to Ray-Ray in the corner, or simple lobs to KG, or early dump-offs to PP, because that's exactly the kind of PG that Boston needs. If you have those kinds of weapons, simple passes are all you want. A player like D-Rose needs a lot more touches, a lot more contact, and a lot more penetration than is really necessary for this team. I do hope that Rondo keeps working on his jump shot / FT shooting though, as that does become a liability in the playoffs. Anyways, I'm really looking forward to the adjustments the Heat make. Pat Riley looked like he was writing a book with all the notes he was taking during the game ^^ Edit: Oh, and also, am I the only one that gets an erection every time Ray-Ray strokes a 3-ball? I swear it's involuntary! | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
If you're going to be controversial, at least give interesting arguments and don't be a little twit about everyone else's. --- I think it's ironic that the media created the 72 win hype (Jeff van Gundy), now they scream the sky is falling when the heat have single digit losses to: boston, undefeated hornets, aberrational overtime loss to hot Jazz, Boston. This is all, remarkably ... normal. The heat should have gone the Phil Jackson way and gotten defensive role players. --- Rondo's steals are hilarious. They aren't the super-gambling Allen Iverson, go for a pass even if it screws my defense steal. In the 2008 Finals, he would sneak behind players and mug them from behind, ripping the ball out of their hands. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
On November 12 2010 23:51 KOFgokuon wrote: chris bosh is such a bitch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8uKlzzgozQ Wow. That is just shameful. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On November 12 2010 23:51 KOFgokuon wrote: chris bosh is such a bitch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8uKlzzgozQ Not saying it's an excuse in the 1st quarter, but perhaps he didn't want to get called for a quick foul, MIA is a bit undersized as it stands. BOS is the opposite - they live by the "no easy baskets" mantra and have done well to stock enough big bodies. But yeah...Bosh playing like that in the first quarter of a home game isn't helping his team. | ||
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Demarini
United States151 Posts
edit- and i watch the celtics pretty often, i live in boston, im a huge boston sports fan. a lot of you watch sportscenter, look at the stats, the highlight reel, and think you know what rondo does. if you watch rondo play, you would see that HE is the one that dictates the pace of the game. not pierce, not allen, not garnett, not kobe when they play against the lakers, not lebron or wade, rajon rondo runs people up and down the court, and make great defenders look foolish. hes remarkably quick, and has grown into a great player while rose was already there on his way into the nba. the job as the point guard is to run the offense, not "score baskets" and get all this macho business done. rondo does that far better than rose. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On November 13 2010 01:17 citi.zen wrote: Not saying it's an excuse in the 1st quarter, but perhaps he didn't want to get called for a quick foul, MIA is a bit undersized as it stands. BOS is the opposite - they live by the "no easy baskets" mantra and have done well to stock enough big bodies. But yeah...Bosh playing like that in the first quarter of a home game isn't helping his team. he was guarding KG. if you see rondo coming down the lane and KG right by the net, what should you do? you obviously expect the pass. but even if bosh did go up, he would have gotten the foul. he only ended up with 2 fouls for the game. considering miami's lack of big guys, its best he not get fouled out (ended up with 4 offensive rbs). | ||
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