EPTActually I'm going to stop responding the the Rondo hate. Starting to remind me of 3 years ago when someone tried to argue Jordan Farmar was better than him. This is getting ridiculous.
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Actually I'm going to stop responding the the Rondo hate. Starting to remind me of 3 years ago when someone tried to argue Jordan Farmar was better than him. This is getting ridiculous. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:08 city42 wrote: My head is about to explode...do you really think Rondo is merely a product of the Celtics? He's a top 3 point guard right now and Boston is hopeless without him. I can just picture you in 1985 denouncing Magic as overrated because he was playing with Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes, and McAdoo. I mean, ANYONE could run Showtime, right? Rondo was a failure in Kentucky, and bad in the Celtics team until the big 3 came. And Billups got a spot ahead of him in that International competition. He has feuded with coaches in Kentucky and with coach K. I think Rondo has proved that he cannot play well unless the situations are absolutely right for him. | ||
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ChezGod
United States590 Posts
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royzizzle
Korea (North)51 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:15 calvo26 wrote: Boston is hopeless without him? I highly doubt that. In fact, it's the other way around: RONDO is hopeless without his celtics team. do you seriously think rondo's going to be the same player if he were to play with a team like the bulls in replacement for Rose? no way. Put rose on the celtics with the big three, and you've got yourself a dynasty. are you a troll? Rondo averaged 8 apg during the first year with the big three. back then they were younger. 3 years later Rondo is averaging 14.8 assists per game. thats more than a 70% increase. Thats a significant increase that can only be explained by skill. if rondo was on the bulls he would still average over 10 assists. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:15 calvo26 wrote: do you seriously think rondo's going to be the same player if he were to play with a team like the bulls in replacement for Rose? no way. Put rose on the celtics with the big three, and you've got yourself a dynasty. Yes, that's exactly what I think. Rondo's defense does far more for the Celtics than anything he could ever hope to do on offense, and Rose is a defensive liability in comparison. I can't believe I even have to argue this. | ||
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Bull-Demon
United States582 Posts
Without him the Celtics would be old and washed up. With him they are old, but still getting it done. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:21 Tazza wrote: Rondo was a failure in Kentucky, and bad in the Celtics team until the big 3 came. And Billups got a spot ahead of him in that International competition. He has feuded with coaches in Kentucky and with coach K. I think Rondo has proved that he cannot play well unless the situations are absolutely right for him. ROFL at Rondo as a failure at Kentucky, don't talk out of your ass when you don't know shit. He feuded with Tubby because Tubby fucking sucks as a player development coach, aka he can't teach players anything new (do you see Minnesota's players getting better since he took over?). He didn't feud with Tubby because Tubby literally said go to the NBA because I can't teach you anything worthwhile here at UK. | ||
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Deleted User 30223
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calvo26
Austria17 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:25 city42 wrote: Yes, that's exactly what I think. Rondo's defense does far more for the Celtics than anything he could ever hope to do on offense, and Rose is a defensive liability in comparison. I can't believe I even have to argue this. Im starting to question whether most of these idiots praising rondo actually know the game, or are just worshiping players that show up on the media (the finals, rondo, big three, blah blah). Take a second to realize the difference he got after the big three came into the celtics. Must I state all the statistical improvements after the big three came along? 06-07 (his rookie year): 6ppg, 4 apg, 4rpg 07-08 (big three arrives): 10ppg 5apg 4rpg 08-09: 12ppg 8apg 5rpg 09-10: 13ppg 9ppg 4rpg OH look at that, his assists magically improved by 4-5 once the big three came along. Notice how his points stay relatively low because he can't score for shit? | ||
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calvo26
Austria17 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:42 goldenkrnboi wrote: apparently 3.1 steals per game and 5.5 rebounds as a point guard don't mean shit either. rondo offers so much on both ends >> honestly. just get out. rose vs rondo 1 on 1. just get out. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:37 Judicator wrote: ROFL at Rondo as a failure at Kentucky, don't talk out of your ass when you don't know shit. He feuded with Tubby because Tubby fucking sucks as a player development coach, aka he can't teach players anything new (do you see Minnesota's players getting better since he took over?). He didn't feud with Tubby because Tubby literally said go to the NBA because I can't teach you anything worthwhile here at UK. And i guess Coach K doesn't know anything either then | ||
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Bull-Demon
United States582 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:44 calvo26 wrote: Im starting to question whether most of these idiots praising rondo actually know the game, or are just worshiping players that show up on the media (the finals, rondo, big three, blah blah). Take a second to realize the difference he got after the big three came into the celtics. Must I state all the statistical improvements after the big three came along? 06-07 (his rookie year): 6ppg, 4 apg, 4rpg 07-08 (big three arrives): 10ppg 5apg 4rpg 08-09: 12ppg 8apg 5rpg 09-10: 13ppg 9ppg 4rpg OH look at that, his assists magically improved by 4-5 once the big three came along. Notice how his points stay relatively low because he can't score for shit? Players themselves can't improve, only who they play with can, got it. | ||
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Deleted User 30223
3104 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:44 calvo26 wrote: Im starting to question whether most of these idiots praising rondo actually know the game, or are just worshiping players that show up on the media (the finals, rondo, big three, blah blah). Take a second to realize the difference he got after the big three came into the celtics. Must I state all the statistical improvements after the big three came along? 06-07 (his rookie year): 6ppg, 4 apg, 4rpg 07-08 (big three arrives): 10ppg 5apg 4rpg 08-09: 12ppg 8apg 5rpg 09-10: 13ppg 9ppg 4rpg OH look at that, his assists magically improved by 4-5 once the big three came along. Notice how his points stay relatively low because he can't score for shit? .... you just used offensive statistics and didn't mention his defense whatsoever to try and counter someone who was talking about his defensive prowess. have you even mentioned his defense at all in any of your posts? do you know how to make an argument? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:44 calvo26 wrote: Im starting to question whether most of these idiots praising rondo actually know the game, or are just worshiping players that show up on the media (the finals, rondo, big three, blah blah). Take a second to realize the difference he got after the big three came into the celtics. Must I state all the statistical improvements after the big three came along? 06-07 (his rookie year): 6ppg, 4 apg, 4rpg 07-08 (big three arrives): 10ppg 5apg 4rpg 08-09: 12ppg 8apg 5rpg 09-10: 13ppg 9ppg 4rpg OH look at that, his assists magically improved by 4-5 once the big three came along. Notice how his points stay relatively low because he can't score for shit? Wait wait, you are going to argue that because his stats are inflated because of the big 3 and then attempt to argue that his scoring stays low while ignoring the big 3? Selective statistics at their finest. You know that 06-07 team, you know the one of his rookie year, you want to recall how many games they won that year? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:45 Tazza wrote: And i guess Coach K doesn't know anything either then USA Basketball is hardly the same as NBA ball, don't even try to make that argument. | ||
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royzizzle
Korea (North)51 Posts
On November 12 2010 13:26 calvo26 wrote: I'll give props to rondo for developing into a raelly good pg, but that was all thanks to the big three. Before they came along, his stats were so horrid it looked like tyrone lue was better than him. What rondo does on the court is assists and assists and... assists. Why not take advantage of such an overrated stat if you got THREE hall of famers in your team that you can stack your assists with(shaq is a hall of famer, as well, but he's too old and inconsistent to be considered a dominant offensive force imo) How is assists overrated? if anything, scoring is overrated. A vast majority of scoring by superstars comes from freethrows. Given how subjective judging is and how much benefit of doubt superstars get I'd say assists is better because it is free of judgement and based on how easy you allow teammates to score. | ||
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shmay
United States1091 Posts
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city42
1656 Posts
On November 12 2010 14:44 calvo26 wrote: Im starting to question whether most of these idiots praising rondo actually know the game, or are just worshiping players that show up on the media (the finals, rondo, big three, blah blah). Take a second to realize the difference he got after the big three came into the celtics. Must I state all the statistical improvements after the big three came along? 06-07 (his rookie year): 6ppg, 4 apg, 4rpg 07-08 (big three arrives): 10ppg 5apg 4rpg 08-09: 12ppg 8apg 5rpg 09-10: 13ppg 9ppg 4rpg OH look at that, his assists magically improved by 4-5 once the big three came along. Notice how his points stay relatively low because he can't score for shit? I'm through being nice to you. Listen up dumbass, you just used minutes per game to dismiss a statistical comparison between Rondo and Arroyo on the last page, and now you throw raw year-to-year stats at us without considering MPG? Doc and Rondo didn't get along at all during his rookie season, so he barely got any playing time. His minutes have increased EVERY season so far, and he's up to 41 in 2010-2011. More importantly, how many 20 year old point guards come into the NBA and take it by storm? Magic Johnson is the list. Rondo was a completely raw talent, coached by an inept Tubby Smith at Kentucky, who got the axe right after Rondo left early and is currently ruining Ralph Sampson's son at Minnesota. It takes time for young guards to adjust to the pro game, especially on the defensive end. Rondo's level of growth has been enormous, and for his age he's remarkably confident and mature on the court. He's the most indispensable member of the Celtics by a huge margin. | ||
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calvo26
Austria17 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On November 12 2010 13:59 calvo26 wrote: I guess you weren't watching the game tonight then. Pierce 10/16, 25 points. Garnett 6/8, 16 points. Ray allen THIRTY-FIVE POINTS 7/9 from beyond the arch. you are saying rondo sucks because he doesnt get superstar pts? that is your argument? | ||
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