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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 25 2012 16:58 GMT
#4721
On October 26 2012 01:48 Artifex Magnus wrote:
yeah it's a pretty easy conclusion to make that drafting is 90% luck, it's pretty irrelevant how you build.


What... no. That's not the conclusion to take. I'm sitting on 70% 3-0 and 30% 2-1 at my LGS. It's not all luck. Variance will always be a part of it (look at me having ANY 2-1s ) but skill with deck building wins out more than variance. Just look at the records of some of the other streamers.

You need to focus on the problems with how you look at the game, and not let the variance get to you Be a poker star.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 25 2012 17:31 GMT
#4722
On October 26 2012 01:58 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 01:48 Artifex Magnus wrote:
yeah it's a pretty easy conclusion to make that drafting is 90% luck, it's pretty irrelevant how you build.


What... no. That's not the conclusion to take. I'm sitting on 70% 3-0 and 30% 2-1 at my LGS. It's not all luck. Variance will always be a part of it (look at me having ANY 2-1s ) but skill with deck building wins out more than variance. Just look at the records of some of the other streamers.

You need to focus on the problems with how you look at the game, and not let the variance get to you Be a poker star.

at a game store? sure, most players there will be much worse than mtgo. i'm 3-0 in my last 6 local drafts, its much easier.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 25 2012 17:47 GMT
#4723
On October 26 2012 02:31 Artifex Magnus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 01:58 Risen wrote:
On October 26 2012 01:48 Artifex Magnus wrote:
yeah it's a pretty easy conclusion to make that drafting is 90% luck, it's pretty irrelevant how you build.


What... no. That's not the conclusion to take. I'm sitting on 70% 3-0 and 30% 2-1 at my LGS. It's not all luck. Variance will always be a part of it (look at me having ANY 2-1s ) but skill with deck building wins out more than variance. Just look at the records of some of the other streamers.

You need to focus on the problems with how you look at the game, and not let the variance get to you Be a poker star.

at a game store? sure, most players there will be much worse than mtgo. i'm 3-0 in my last 6 local drafts, its much easier.


But if it's all luck then player skill doesn't matter at all....................................
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 18:29:02
October 25 2012 18:20 GMT
#4724
On October 25 2012 16:57 Kinie wrote:
What are some of the most hated EDH generals out there? By that I mean ones that encourage non-interactive play and enable unfun gamestates (VC going infinite, Teferi being a general douche, etc.)

At the moment I have a Mayael the Anima EDH deck for fun, non-competative multiplayer EDH games. I also have a Jhoira of the Ghitu I'd like to build a deck with, but so far all I've thought up is suspending Eldrazi or the blue suspended Leviathan that ticks down everytime someone else casts a spell.

Edit: Also, I'd like to eventually be able to try and build some other fun and competitive EDH decks from my other stock of cards. So far, the ones that catch my attention are:

Akroma, Angel of Fury
Krenko, Mob Boss
Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Sheoldred, Whispering One
Skithyrix, the Blight Dragon
Numot, the Devastator
Sen Triplets
Glissa, the Traitor
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind (aka Niv-Mizzet 1.0)
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord

Anyone know of some fun/interesting things I can do with any of those creatures, let me know.

Sliver Overlord.

Every player I've ever EDH'ed with has given me shit for a having a sliver EDH deck. It's super easy to make, easy to play, and exceptionally powerful.
Johnny styling:
combo 1. sliver queen + heart stone + heart sliver = infinite slivers (which is infinite anything for the most part. throw in eldrazi monument and you have infinite indestructible slivers) (edit: hivestone + avacyn makes all your slivers indestructible also, while giving avacyn the sliver abilities to make her nearly unkillable)
combo 2. dormant sliver + gemhide sliver + heart sliver + aluren + intruder alarm = play out pretty much your entire deck.
comno 3. primal surge (my sliver EDH deck has only 3 non permanent cards. Most often you'll put at least half your deck into play. I, on the other hand, topdecked Moment's Peace. Ugh)

If you don't want to combo, you can just toss out a few slivers, and beat them to death with shifting sliver and sliver legion, or poison them with the virulent sliver


the blue suspended Leviathan that ticks down everytime someone else casts a spell.

Are you talking about Deep Sea Kraken? I don't think this card is legendary.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 25 2012 19:10 GMT
#4725
On October 26 2012 02:47 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 02:31 Artifex Magnus wrote:
On October 26 2012 01:58 Risen wrote:
On October 26 2012 01:48 Artifex Magnus wrote:
yeah it's a pretty easy conclusion to make that drafting is 90% luck, it's pretty irrelevant how you build.


What... no. That's not the conclusion to take. I'm sitting on 70% 3-0 and 30% 2-1 at my LGS. It's not all luck. Variance will always be a part of it (look at me having ANY 2-1s ) but skill with deck building wins out more than variance. Just look at the records of some of the other streamers.

You need to focus on the problems with how you look at the game, and not let the variance get to you Be a poker star.

at a game store? sure, most players there will be much worse than mtgo. i'm 3-0 in my last 6 local drafts, its much easier.


But if it's all luck then player skill doesn't matter at all....................................


Get it right Risen, it's luck if the opponent does it, pure skill if you do it.
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 25 2012 19:27 GMT
#4726
I play a mostly standard (because those are the cards I own) commander deck with Olivia Voldaren. I've stolen many a Sliver Overlord and even stolen several things per turn with Caged Sun/Nirkana Revanent giving me billions of mana.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 25 2012 20:14 GMT
#4727
On October 26 2012 02:47 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 02:31 Artifex Magnus wrote:
On October 26 2012 01:58 Risen wrote:
On October 26 2012 01:48 Artifex Magnus wrote:
yeah it's a pretty easy conclusion to make that drafting is 90% luck, it's pretty irrelevant how you build.


What... no. That's not the conclusion to take. I'm sitting on 70% 3-0 and 30% 2-1 at my LGS. It's not all luck. Variance will always be a part of it (look at me having ANY 2-1s ) but skill with deck building wins out more than variance. Just look at the records of some of the other streamers.

You need to focus on the problems with how you look at the game, and not let the variance get to you Be a poker star.

at a game store? sure, most players there will be much worse than mtgo. i'm 3-0 in my last 6 local drafts, its much easier.


But if it's all luck then player skill doesn't matter at all....................................


Lewl. That's too logical to make sense.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 25 2012 20:23 GMT
#4728
Sometimes these things just fall into place.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 25 2012 20:26 GMT
#4729
starting a draft on mtgo. I pulled vraska p1p1, so come make fun of me for how bad i am at this game. http://www.twitch.tv/sonatasc2
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 25 2012 20:49 GMT
#4730
Make sure to save the video so I can watch after work! You may title it, "THIS'LL SHOW 'EM." That way, we can find it easily.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 22:40:37
October 25 2012 22:19 GMT
#4731
I see double common bonds with 13 creatures. Hope you play tight.

Edit: Nope, playing into 2 for 1s with your deck is dead.

Edit 2: Don't listen to the people in chat, they really don't have a clue.

Edit 3: "He killed the token?" Playing GW and wonders why opponent kills the token.

Edit 4: "I don't see anything to sideboard here" Leaves Concordia Pegasus in SB against aggro decks. Nice.

Edit 5: Listening to the chat is bad for your health.

Edit 6: Your opponent has a pretty good deck, but you didn't play exactly tight.
Get it by your hands...
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 25 2012 23:53 GMT
#4732
learning quite a bit, appreciate the help for sure. en route to #1 limited usa usa usa
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 26 2012 00:19 GMT
#4733
Always a pleasure to help out, though I think Judi's play style/pick choices are more in line with how you want to play. I'll be sure to drop in and catch your stream when I'm around.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 26 2012 00:36 GMT
#4734
i'm gonna do one more, mostly on my own, but open to the chat. the beats never stop but luckily neither do i.
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 01:31:15
October 26 2012 01:28 GMT
#4735
LOL. last turn of this game, I'm holding explosive impact and he's on 9 life. i have splatter thug/deviant glee/not unleashed 4/3, 2/3 dead reveler, 3/1 rakdos ringleader. he has 5/5 isperia's and sphinx of the chimes. he swung last turn with sphinx leaving him open for a gg combo, right? last turn he popped a counter on my creature that causes us both to sac 1 creature. so i think i've got it.

i swing first. he blocks splatter thug, takes 2/3 putting him at 4.

he has two cards in hand. rakdos ringleader makes him discard dispel at random.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 01:39:42
October 26 2012 01:39 GMT
#4736
And it is for this reason we never complain about draws/topdecks/etc. Sometimes the odds favor you, sometimes they don't. Better to focus on yourself and the plays you could have made better.

Edit: But fuck yeah, #winning and shiz
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 26 2012 01:44 GMT
#4737
Going round 2 if you wanna watch =P no need to advise, i'll do it live! =D
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 26 2012 01:48 GMT
#4738
On October 26 2012 05:26 Artifex Magnus wrote:
starting a draft on mtgo. I pulled vraska p1p1, so come make fun of me for how bad i am at this game. http://www.twitch.tv/sonatasc2


I clicked to a random part of your 4 hour video: At 26:56, why did you Scavenge the Slitherhead on your Vine? You could have maximized your mana by playing your 4th land-->Slum Reaper, sac Gatecreeper Vine:he sacs Goblin. From there, you could have scavenged (or not, since his next play would be relevant.) This leaves you with a 4/2 on board and him with a Keyrune. Vraska to answer any followup threats.

Didn't see what happened next though. That scavenge was weird.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 26 2012 01:49 GMT
#4739
On October 26 2012 10:48 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 05:26 Artifex Magnus wrote:
starting a draft on mtgo. I pulled vraska p1p1, so come make fun of me for how bad i am at this game. http://www.twitch.tv/sonatasc2


I clicked to a random part of your 4 hour video: At 26:56, why did you Scavenge the Slitherhead on your Vine? You could have maximized your mana by playing your 4th land-->Slum Reaper, sac Gatecreeper Vine:he sacs Goblin. From there, you could have scavenged (or not, since his next play would be relevant.) This leaves you with a 4/2 on board and him with a Keyrune. Vraska to answer any followup threats.

Didn't see what happened next though. That scavenge was weird.

I'l check it out after this draft
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 02:11:36
October 26 2012 02:11 GMT
#4740
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