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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 26 2012 02:53 GMT
#4741
I think I'm sensing a mentality that might be adversed to you becoming a better player. It's a similar mentality that a person hoping to get good at SC should have when massing games. You need to concentrate on what you can control, and not on what you can't. Flooding and mana screw are out of your power, so you shouldn't invest too much thought into them. Rather, think about your plays and later on in the game, criticize yourself on what you could have done better. I only really caught the last game before you went offline, where you were rakdos against selesnya/azorius, and I saw some plays that I think I would have played differently.

It was a mull to 6 with 2 swamp, mountain, Imp, thug and ringleader(?) on the play. He played a T1 dryad, and you proceeded to draw a deviant glee. You played the imp, and he played a fencing ace I believe. Here was where I think you should have changed you game plan. Instead of putting the Glee on the Imp, you unleashed the thug, which I thought was a bit risky. Swinging with a 3/1 imp races very well against his board. An argument could be made for playing the thug, but I would not have unleashed it. He was curving out, so you know there is a likely-hood of him playing another creature. A 2/2 first striker was just what the doctor ordered against his board, but I think you ignored it because you thought you were the beatdown that game. So he played a 2nd Dryad, and swung in past your thug, and you were at 15, and he was at 19. Next turn, you put the glee on the imp, and played a vermin, and then swung in with both thug and imp, and he had no plans on blocking. He laid down a griffin and swung in, bring you both to 13. I think I would have blocked with the rat. I dont think you were going to get a better deal then a 1/1 for a 2/1 with that card, even if you were not going to get maximum value. Just because a card says it can do something extra, doesn't mean you have to put yourself in a rough spot in order to meet the conditions. A vanilla 1/1 was exactly what you needed at that point. At this point you proceeded to not draw any lands. You swung in again and he traded the griffin with the imp. He swings out again, and you block and then lag makes you click cancel as you try to take a card out of his hand. These things happen, you have to do your best to ignore the controls and concentrate on the variables. Then he knightly valored his fencing ace, and you were drawing blanks. That happens to, and I don't think you were winning that game no matter what you did before.

There are a lot of great articles by Paulo about playing the game and being a better player. Notice that he never dwells on the things outside of his power, but investigates every potential advantage he can get in a match.

A good player is very pessimistic about what he doesn't know, but optimized whatever he can alter. The same is very true about SC and Dota, so I hope can improve based on that mentality.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 26 2012 03:01 GMT
#4742
Thanks for the post. I'll go back in the vod and not only confirm what you're saying (which I already know is true) but adjust what I was thinking at the time that I did it.

Thanks, very appreciated.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
October 26 2012 03:43 GMT
#4743
On October 25 2012 23:12 glurio wrote:
Is there any beginner info out there? Like total beginner to this game (explaining whats a draft, beginner deck building, playing on a budget etc, stuff like that)?
And how much would i need to spend on average to play mtgo? Not super-competitivly but i'd like to play small online tournaments and stuff (no need for uber deck, but id like to have a fighting chance)?

Sorry if those questions are already answered, couldnt really find anything in the OP, and didnt want to search 200+ pages.
Thanks

Honestly the best way to learn to draft is to play with people much better than you and ask a lot of questions. Google can answer your questions about how to most of what you want, this link looked useful for beginner deck building.
http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~kel/MTG/
As for budget deck building, that really varies depending on the format. Pauper is a format designed for budget, but it really depends on what you want to play.
MTGO is expensive, 10-15 to start and more for drafts/cards/queues, i don't play and don't know the specifics.

I can already see the ending
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 26 2012 05:46 GMT
#4744
On October 26 2012 11:53 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I'm sensing a mentality that might be adversed to you becoming a better player. It's a similar mentality that a person hoping to get good at SC should have when massing games. You need to concentrate on what you can control, and not on what you can't. Flooding and mana screw are out of your power, so you shouldn't invest too much thought into them. Rather, think about your plays and later on in the game, criticize yourself on what you could have done better.


Just wanted to Amen this. Really well said, and it's basically the gigantic leap of going from unaware bad player to self-aware mediocre/average player. Not just MtG player but also Piano Player, Chess Player, Basketball Player....usually, you can do better. Sometimes, you have stupid fingers, or your opponent is a savant or he's 6'7" - there's not 1 thing you can do about it - you have to play your best game.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
October 26 2012 14:03 GMT
#4745
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 26 2012 14:20 GMT
#4746
One of Matt Sperling's article mentioned something like "old school" versus "new school" bombs in limited where the former was just a big body with a keyword for 6 and the latter something you probably can't ever beat cleanly (like Niv Mizzet).
Get it by your hands...
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
October 26 2012 15:50 GMT
#4747
Opened a Jace last night in my 3rd pack. To bad I was already going Rakdos... but it was still really exciting!! hah
It is what it is
fifasnipe2224
Profile Joined January 2011
United States243 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 16:23:08
October 26 2012 16:02 GMT
#4748
Need help cutting out cards from my Standard Talrand Izzet deck.

Talrand's Invocation x4
Archaeomancer x4
Dissipate x4
Guttersnipe x4
Searing Spear x4
Divination x4
Talrand, Sky Summoner x3
Switcheroo x3
Goblin Electromancer x3
Into the Void x3
Runechanter's Pike x2
Dual Casting x2
Cyclonic Rift x2
Mercurial Chemister x1
Epic Experiment x1

Have 44 cards, Want 37, Need help cutting 7 cards!
I forgot to mention that this is for a low budget casual MTGO deck.
.:RoS:.
ParanoiaDHerO
Profile Joined July 2009
United States183 Posts
October 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#4749
Drop the 3 Switcheroo for sure, drop the 2 Dual casting, that's 5. I'd also look at getting Syncopate and Pillar of flame into your deck, Pillar of flame has massive priority, though.
fifasnipe2224
Profile Joined January 2011
United States243 Posts
October 26 2012 19:24 GMT
#4750
Dissipate x4
Guttersnipe x4
Searing Spear x4
Desperate Ravings x4
Pillar of Flame x4
Archaeomancer x3
Talrand, Sky Summoner x3
Goblin Electromancer x3
Talrand's Invocation x2
Syncopate x2
Runechanter's Pike x1
Cyclonic Rift x1
Epic Experiment x1
Staff of Nin x1

**Updated to my latest version. Any thoughts??
.:RoS:.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 27 2012 05:23 GMT
#4751
Sigh... lack of pillars really hurt me tonight. Even still I punted my way out of top 8 like a scrub. First night piloting Grixis, though, so guess I couldn't expect to rock out.

Fuck Jund. Fuck it so much.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 27 2012 06:34 GMT
#4752
On October 27 2012 14:23 Risen wrote:
Sigh... lack of pillars really hurt me tonight. Even still I punted my way out of top 8 like a scrub. First night piloting Grixis, though, so guess I couldn't expect to rock out.

Fuck Jund. Fuck it so much.

#Jundstice

I gotta play at some point this weekend, I just didn't wanna go tonight.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 27 2012 16:58 GMT
#4753
The list I'm taking today. Will be desperately searching for 3 dissipates and 4 pillars before it starts.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 27 2012 21:08 GMT
#4754
I've played around with, basically, every control list and I don't think Grixis is worth it. Just go 5-Color control. I've found this to be the most versatile (duh,) and fun(!) list. Afterall, the best way to beat Thragtusks....is to play Thragtusks.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 22:05:02
October 27 2012 21:16 GMT
#4755
On October 28 2012 06:08 slyboogie wrote:
I've played around with, basically, every control list and I don't think Grixis is worth it. Just go 5-Color control. I've found this to be the most versatile (duh,) and fun(!) list. Afterall, the best way to beat Thragtusks....is to play Thragtusks.


Have we seriously reached the point where your deck must be:

A) Playing Thragtusk

or

B) Killing them before turn 5

Because that's a bit ridiculous <_<
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 27 2012 21:34 GMT
#4756
Well, 5-C can't fulfill plan B. And everything in Standard hits very hard, I think it'd be playing Thragtusks regardless.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 27 2012 22:05 GMT
#4757
On October 28 2012 06:34 slyboogie wrote:
Well, 5-C can't fulfill plan B. And everything in Standard hits very hard, I think it'd be playing Thragtusks regardless.



There was a crucial "or" that got left out there somewhere.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 28 2012 01:36 GMT
#4758
Le sighhhhh, knocked out of top 8 once again. Same guy as last night lol... T_T
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 28 2012 19:10 GMT
#4759
Alrighty, I'm not gonna get there with Grixis. Time to go Esper of some sort (I'll continue down the line of my favorite three color combos lol)
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Artifex Magnus
Profile Joined August 2012
United States75 Posts
October 28 2012 22:11 GMT
#4760
I made this deck in like 45 seconds today.

http://deckbox.org/sets/254304

I wanted only RTR (except sunpetal grove) for absolutely no reason other than its the set I kn ow the most about.

Thoughts?
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