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On October 25 2015 18:27 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 08:49 SyNc` wrote:On October 25 2015 08:47 zev318 wrote:
people would still bot, just because they would still get exp that they would not have gotten if they didnt bot.
people do bot both rifts and grifts, not like they only do one and not the other I realize that but my point is that the exp you'd get botting by yourself is so minimal that there wouldn't be a point. Like yeah you can bot overnight but like i said it would get you maybe 2 or 3 levels. Its just pointless, you wouldn't gain any advantage doing it. Only thing i can see people botting for would be mats. Running a bot overnight on regular rifts gets you ridiculous amounts of mats that you can use to gear everything through the cube, but since seasons last so long everyone that cares will eventually have good gear. So the bot programmers haven't managed to make a script to speedrun high GRs in group? I'd imagine it'd be possible to set up 4 bots to run together at close to same speed/GR as humans. I wouldn't surprise me if they could go faster, as they could coordinate on a split-second level much better. You would also do loot-share, so you'd be able to farm items. But maybe the bot programmers don't put that much effort into D3 anymore...
Definitely isn't hard to accomplish but it still wouldn't ever be as efficient as 4 humans because bots don't know when to skip certain mobs/levels/areas to make the run a lot quicker.
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On October 26 2015 08:36 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 18:27 Cascade wrote:On October 25 2015 08:49 SyNc` wrote:On October 25 2015 08:47 zev318 wrote:
people would still bot, just because they would still get exp that they would not have gotten if they didnt bot.
people do bot both rifts and grifts, not like they only do one and not the other I realize that but my point is that the exp you'd get botting by yourself is so minimal that there wouldn't be a point. Like yeah you can bot overnight but like i said it would get you maybe 2 or 3 levels. Its just pointless, you wouldn't gain any advantage doing it. Only thing i can see people botting for would be mats. Running a bot overnight on regular rifts gets you ridiculous amounts of mats that you can use to gear everything through the cube, but since seasons last so long everyone that cares will eventually have good gear. So the bot programmers haven't managed to make a script to speedrun high GRs in group? I'd imagine it'd be possible to set up 4 bots to run together at close to same speed/GR as humans. I wouldn't surprise me if they could go faster, as they could coordinate on a split-second level much better. You would also do loot-share, so you'd be able to farm items. But maybe the bot programmers don't put that much effort into D3 anymore... Definitely isn't hard to accomplish but it still wouldn't ever be as efficient as 4 humans because bots don't know when to skip certain mobs/levels/areas to make the run a lot quicker.
If that is an important factor to maintain speed, I don't see why you couldn't program the bots to skip those.
edit: I am not holding you responsible for the performance of the botting community in any way.  It is just that in my naive mind, I am a bit surprised that they haven't done a better job, seeing how straight forward playing D3 feels in most cases. Maybe it is trickier than I understand, or the hackers just don't have the time and skills I think they have.
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On October 26 2015 08:36 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 18:27 Cascade wrote:On October 25 2015 08:49 SyNc` wrote:On October 25 2015 08:47 zev318 wrote:
people would still bot, just because they would still get exp that they would not have gotten if they didnt bot.
people do bot both rifts and grifts, not like they only do one and not the other I realize that but my point is that the exp you'd get botting by yourself is so minimal that there wouldn't be a point. Like yeah you can bot overnight but like i said it would get you maybe 2 or 3 levels. Its just pointless, you wouldn't gain any advantage doing it. Only thing i can see people botting for would be mats. Running a bot overnight on regular rifts gets you ridiculous amounts of mats that you can use to gear everything through the cube, but since seasons last so long everyone that cares will eventually have good gear. So the bot programmers haven't managed to make a script to speedrun high GRs in group? I'd imagine it'd be possible to set up 4 bots to run together at close to same speed/GR as humans. I wouldn't surprise me if they could go faster, as they could coordinate on a split-second level much better. You would also do loot-share, so you'd be able to farm items. But maybe the bot programmers don't put that much effort into D3 anymore... Definitely isn't hard to accomplish but it still wouldn't ever be as efficient as 4 humans because bots don't know when to skip certain mobs/levels/areas to make the run a lot quicker.
The efficiency when you're AFK is 0.
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People defending botting are cute 
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On October 26 2015 08:36 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 18:27 Cascade wrote:On October 25 2015 08:49 SyNc` wrote:On October 25 2015 08:47 zev318 wrote:
people would still bot, just because they would still get exp that they would not have gotten if they didnt bot.
people do bot both rifts and grifts, not like they only do one and not the other I realize that but my point is that the exp you'd get botting by yourself is so minimal that there wouldn't be a point. Like yeah you can bot overnight but like i said it would get you maybe 2 or 3 levels. Its just pointless, you wouldn't gain any advantage doing it. Only thing i can see people botting for would be mats. Running a bot overnight on regular rifts gets you ridiculous amounts of mats that you can use to gear everything through the cube, but since seasons last so long everyone that cares will eventually have good gear. So the bot programmers haven't managed to make a script to speedrun high GRs in group? I'd imagine it'd be possible to set up 4 bots to run together at close to same speed/GR as humans. I wouldn't surprise me if they could go faster, as they could coordinate on a split-second level much better. You would also do loot-share, so you'd be able to farm items. But maybe the bot programmers don't put that much effort into D3 anymore... Definitely isn't hard to accomplish but it still wouldn't ever be as efficient as 4 humans because bots don't know when to skip certain mobs/levels/areas to make the run a lot quicker.
you could probably check for ally distance?
anyway, i gave pushing gr67 a shot yesterday. the amount of rng you need to get these higher level grifts is absurd. i went like ten rifts without a conduit/power pylon and several others with like 4 floors before quitting out..
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woot, grift 68 down. that puts me at about rank ~600 :D
how often do the leaderboards refresh?
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I belive it refreshes when you look at it
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Only in game, I'm talking about the online ones.
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Canada8159 Posts
I really wished they introduced oskills
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I finally got 5 piece Uliana and went for it with RoRG and a cubed Fist to see how I liked it... turns out I don't like it. There's so much downtime (yes I know, not enough CDR, I'm at 45%) and it seems awful on single target (even with a lvl 25 Stricken). Is there something I'm missing?
It feels pretty bad without Gungo Bracers, but I also need an actual Fist and Lion's Claw (I do have, mine just suck) and a Flow of Eternity so that's a lot of gear to get to complete the set.
I also still need Restraint and a good Hellfire Amulet, but those would be for any spec I end up doing, so I'm hunting those anyways.
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On November 05 2015 03:12 Wuster wrote:
I finally got 5 piece Uliana and went for it with RoRG and a cubed Fist to see how I liked it... turns out I don't like it. There's so much downtime (yes I know, not enough CDR, I'm at 45%) and it seems awful on single target (even with a lvl 25 Stricken). Is there something I'm missing?
It feels pretty bad without Gungo Bracers, but I also need an actual Fist and Lion's Claw (I do have, mine just suck) and a Flow of Eternity so that's a lot of gear to get to complete the set.
I also still need Restraint and a good Hellfire Amulet, but those would be for any spec I end up doing, so I'm hunting those anyways.
Uliana's without the supplemental pieces (like Flow) is not a playable spec. You can't really judge a build without actually completing the entire thing. The set is reliant on these support pieces.
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That's a shame, so that's a lot of pieces still to collect before the baseline build is even achieved. I kept hearing how easy it was to complete U6 and I'm almost at plvl 200 without half the support pieces (plus that last U6 peice so I can drop RoRG).
Maybe I'll stick with my hybrid build, I just need more DB's to farm up Shenlong's and I'll be pretty happy with it I think.
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your Country52798 Posts
On November 05 2015 03:44 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:12 Wuster wrote:
I finally got 5 piece Uliana and went for it with RoRG and a cubed Fist to see how I liked it... turns out I don't like it. There's so much downtime (yes I know, not enough CDR, I'm at 45%) and it seems awful on single target (even with a lvl 25 Stricken). Is there something I'm missing?
It feels pretty bad without Gungo Bracers, but I also need an actual Fist and Lion's Claw (I do have, mine just suck) and a Flow of Eternity so that's a lot of gear to get to complete the set.
I also still need Restraint and a good Hellfire Amulet, but those would be for any spec I end up doing, so I'm hunting those anyways. Uliana's without the supplemental pieces (like Flow) is not a playable spec. You can't really judge a build without actually completing the entire thing. The set is reliant on these support pieces.
I've actually finished it and it isn't working very well for me either, although I haven't gotten a whole lot of play time with it.
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U6 feels really weird until you get almost every single last piece with synergy. Everything serves a purpose. So much so that it almost feels like Fist of Az is one of the last things you need to "make the build work" and it's something that nearly DOUBLES your damage. It's not necessarily one of those sets/builds where every bonus or piece you get feels like a dramatic change to the playstyle or a big leap in difficulty, imo.
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i just completed all the items for uliana build. the build gets stronger and stronger the more pieces you get.
when i just started out i had two pieces of ulianas, i had maras 4 set and SWK 2 set bonuses with RORG and spammed pillars.
later when i had 3 pieces of ulianas and RoRG, i replaced the pillars with SSS and it was awful. but i was playing low torments so the SSS damage could actually kill stuff which would in turn trigger an EP explosion.
once i had 5 pieces then it was actually viable, but not having a flow of eternity really sucked. but i wanted to get used to the playstyle more so i kept at it.
pretty much the experience is very crappy until flow of eternity and lion's claw. gungdo gear is nice but i was able to push into higher torments without getting it until much later.
i finally got fist of az and focus and restraint and just cleared GR48 with time to spare. i will keep gaining PL and try to farm ancient versions of my gear and go further
i started late in the season so i didn't really care about speed or optimization of progress. if i could do it over again i'd probably find another build to play in the meantime and not switch to SSS until i had the lions claw and flow of eternity
also i'm not sure if gogok is actually good. i unlocked the lvl 25 power but my clear time actually went down. not sure if that was a fluke. i was using the toxin gem before, which is supposed to be crappy. will do more testing. understandably, gogok is good because it reduces CD of SSS.
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Last night I was upgrading fists again, trying to see what RNG wanted me to play. Got a meh first of Az and a meh Shenlongs, but then a RG dropped the other Shenlongs, so I blew the last of my DB's failing to get sockets (just 20 tries cuz I'm poor). At this rate it's getting tempting to just reroll the entire thing and at least have a chance at ancient =p.
Also, 850 shards on rings and getting 16 rares and 1 magic was a sour way to end the night.
But it does look like I'm going generator build for a while longer unless I get some of those support pieces while farming more DBs.
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Lets see what they have in store for diablo on blizzcon. Iam excited for the next patch atleast, hope it brings some more good things to the table so i can play again!
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your Country52798 Posts
Do we know if the next season is going to start after or before December 11?
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On November 05 2015 03:58 Wuster wrote:
That's a shame, so that's a lot of pieces still to collect before the baseline build is even achieved. I kept hearing how easy it was to complete U6 and I'm almost at plvl 200 without half the support pieces (plus that last U6 peice so I can drop RoRG).
Maybe I'll stick with my hybrid build, I just need more DB's to farm up Shenlong's and I'll be pretty happy with it I think.
you can swap flow for in geom for t8-10 speed farming
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On November 06 2015 05:46 The_Templar wrote:
Do we know if the next season is going to start after or before December 11?
Most likely to be announced during Blizzcon with the content of the next patch coming with it.
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