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On April 23 2015 00:52 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 00:50 goody153 wrote: i'd say fuck dreams and a good future ! usually the kids i know that actually have dreams and aspirations are those who had a rough living condition .. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....? ????? ?????????? btw the first part was a joke (OH WAIT WHAT THAT'S A JOKE .. i'm pretty sure you know it's a joke )
and the second part is just me telling my experience of people i know who actually aspires and do good stuff to have a good life
any confusing parts ?
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On April 23 2015 00:52 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 00:47 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think anyone in her really gets what I'm annoyed by when everyone just cherrypicks the things I mention that are fine and pretends like I'm having an issue with that... it's not about the result but about the way you're getting to that result.
I mean ZNF just, for the fifth time, repeated what I already mentioned and that I don't have a problem with (her being upset and sad about not going to nationals) and said that's what I'm having a problem with, when that's not the case at all... I literally just said myself that you even knew that's a thing because of episode1 myself a couple posts above... i chalk that up to your complaint being nitpicky and incomprehensible tbh  maybe you should read between the lines as opposed to hoping that the story spoonfeeds you precisely the information you want to know? if you think that the story is deliberately saying "okay feel sad" or whatever that's....not accurate at all?
first one: Probably, I'm having huge troubles getting complicated ideas across every time I roll town in TL-Mafia about why people's wrong or right ideas about something makes no sense given their pov and information they had at that time as well while being obviously correct  So yeah I'm aware of that problem.
second one: I am, that's the thing. I'm just saying it would have been more impactful otherwise.
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On April 23 2015 00:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 00:29 Miragee wrote:On April 23 2015 00:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:21 goody153 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Hibeki! Euphonium 3] +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w8mFOt0.png) Yes we get romance ! or at least the male is a part of the case so there's a chance letter ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/udse7eg.png) You can get angry but i don't think much changes. On April 23 2015 00:06 Toadesstern wrote:On April 22 2015 23:49 Kipsate wrote: For some reason you seem to be able to know what is sad and what is important for that girl? If getting to the nationals and music is her world and that gets denied I can see why she gets sad. Like, you seem to think that girls that age can act like complete ''rational'' beings. Okay, let's ignore phrase 1 and 3 because for the fourth time, that's not what I'm getting at: yes and that's exactly the problem and why it's bad writing / directing in this case. Because it is most likely just that tmi setting where the cart is in front of the horse and it would have been better to leave that out for later. my solution is that they focus what teenagers focus on .. that's romansuu ! teenagers focus on studies. lol when I was a teen I never did homework or learned for tests because who the fuck cares. its worth more than romance I'll tell you that.
How so?
Well, I didn't focus on romance back then, either. xD
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On April 23 2015 01:03 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 00:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:29 Miragee wrote:On April 23 2015 00:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:21 goody153 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Hibeki! Euphonium 3] +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w8mFOt0.png) Yes we get romance ! or at least the male is a part of the case so there's a chance letter ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/udse7eg.png) You can get angry but i don't think much changes. On April 23 2015 00:06 Toadesstern wrote:On April 22 2015 23:49 Kipsate wrote: For some reason you seem to be able to know what is sad and what is important for that girl? If getting to the nationals and music is her world and that gets denied I can see why she gets sad. Like, you seem to think that girls that age can act like complete ''rational'' beings. Okay, let's ignore phrase 1 and 3 because for the fourth time, that's not what I'm getting at: yes and that's exactly the problem and why it's bad writing / directing in this case. Because it is most likely just that tmi setting where the cart is in front of the horse and it would have been better to leave that out for later. my solution is that they focus what teenagers focus on .. that's romansuu ! teenagers focus on studies. lol when I was a teen I never did homework or learned for tests because who the fuck cares. its worth more than romance I'll tell you that. How so? Well, I didn't focus on romance back then, either. xD games are the best
fuck school fuck interacting with people
(did i guess it right ?)
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Netherlands45349 Posts
what is wrong with u goody
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i can't even sarcasm .. my life feels more sadder now
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49503 Posts
On April 23 2015 01:03 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 00:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:29 Miragee wrote:On April 23 2015 00:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:21 goody153 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Hibeki! Euphonium 3] +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w8mFOt0.png) Yes we get romance ! or at least the male is a part of the case so there's a chance letter ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/udse7eg.png) You can get angry but i don't think much changes. On April 23 2015 00:06 Toadesstern wrote:On April 22 2015 23:49 Kipsate wrote: For some reason you seem to be able to know what is sad and what is important for that girl? If getting to the nationals and music is her world and that gets denied I can see why she gets sad. Like, you seem to think that girls that age can act like complete ''rational'' beings. Okay, let's ignore phrase 1 and 3 because for the fourth time, that's not what I'm getting at: yes and that's exactly the problem and why it's bad writing / directing in this case. Because it is most likely just that tmi setting where the cart is in front of the horse and it would have been better to leave that out for later. my solution is that they focus what teenagers focus on .. that's romansuu ! teenagers focus on studies. lol when I was a teen I never did homework or learned for tests because who the fuck cares. its worth more than romance I'll tell you that. How so? Well, I didn't focus on romance back then, either. xD
I focused on neither, but if I were to pick I'd take the books.
On April 23 2015 01:07 Kipsate wrote: what is wrong with u goody
looks like I broke goody.
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One thing that always puzzles me and once again puzzled me after watching Sokugeki no Souma is why stories, not just anime or manga use the whole "This school/institution/whatever is so hardcore only 10% get through!" as an argument/thing to prove that it's an elite school. In the real world a school where only 10% got through would probably be seen as a pretty fucking awful school.
But i know that it's not the real world and just a fictional story, it just always struck me as something odd and never really helped convince me that it was elite on its own before actually seeing it demonstrated.
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On April 23 2015 01:05 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 01:03 Miragee wrote:On April 23 2015 00:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:29 Miragee wrote:On April 23 2015 00:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:21 goody153 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Hibeki! Euphonium 3] +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w8mFOt0.png) Yes we get romance ! or at least the male is a part of the case so there's a chance letter ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/udse7eg.png) You can get angry but i don't think much changes. On April 23 2015 00:06 Toadesstern wrote:On April 22 2015 23:49 Kipsate wrote: For some reason you seem to be able to know what is sad and what is important for that girl? If getting to the nationals and music is her world and that gets denied I can see why she gets sad. Like, you seem to think that girls that age can act like complete ''rational'' beings. Okay, let's ignore phrase 1 and 3 because for the fourth time, that's not what I'm getting at: yes and that's exactly the problem and why it's bad writing / directing in this case. Because it is most likely just that tmi setting where the cart is in front of the horse and it would have been better to leave that out for later. my solution is that they focus what teenagers focus on .. that's romansuu ! teenagers focus on studies. lol when I was a teen I never did homework or learned for tests because who the fuck cares. its worth more than romance I'll tell you that. How so? Well, I didn't focus on romance back then, either. xD games are the best fuck school fuck interacting with people (did i guess it right ?)
I started with video games when I was almost 15. Does that still count as teen? I guess I wasn't focused on anything at all back then. Maybe a bit on sports but that's it. Just did stuff I enjoyed and didn't really think about it.
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On April 23 2015 01:15 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 01:05 goody153 wrote:On April 23 2015 01:03 Miragee wrote:On April 23 2015 00:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:29 Miragee wrote:On April 23 2015 00:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 23 2015 00:21 goody153 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Hibeki! Euphonium 3] +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w8mFOt0.png) Yes we get romance ! or at least the male is a part of the case so there's a chance letter ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/udse7eg.png) You can get angry but i don't think much changes. On April 23 2015 00:06 Toadesstern wrote:On April 22 2015 23:49 Kipsate wrote: For some reason you seem to be able to know what is sad and what is important for that girl? If getting to the nationals and music is her world and that gets denied I can see why she gets sad. Like, you seem to think that girls that age can act like complete ''rational'' beings. Okay, let's ignore phrase 1 and 3 because for the fourth time, that's not what I'm getting at: yes and that's exactly the problem and why it's bad writing / directing in this case. Because it is most likely just that tmi setting where the cart is in front of the horse and it would have been better to leave that out for later. my solution is that they focus what teenagers focus on .. that's romansuu ! teenagers focus on studies. lol when I was a teen I never did homework or learned for tests because who the fuck cares. its worth more than romance I'll tell you that. How so? Well, I didn't focus on romance back then, either. xD games are the best fuck school fuck interacting with people (did i guess it right ?) I started with video games when I was almost 15. Does that still count as teen? I guess I wasn't focused on anything at all back then. Maybe a bit on sports but that's it. Just did stuff I enjoyed and didn't really think about it. that counts .. sounds like you had a happy normal life
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On April 23 2015 01:12 Unleashing wrote:One thing that always puzzles me and once again puzzled me after watching Sokugeki no Souma is why stories, not just anime or manga use the whole "This school/institution/whatever is so hardcore only 10% get through!" as an argument/thing to prove that it's an elite school. In the real world a school where only 10% got through would probably be seen as a pretty fucking awful school. But i know that it's not the real world and just a fictional story, it just always struck me as something odd and never really helped convince me that it was elite on its own before actually seeing it demonstrated. 
It's kind of the same logic used when people talk about such and such prestigious university. "What do you mean that this place has a 9% acceptance rate!, sounds hardcore."
except exaggerated of course.
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On April 23 2015 00:31 Toadesstern wrote: Okay final words from me on that matter, let's put it real easy:
1) If I tell you my mom died, you'd (hopefully) feel sad for me and have compassion. Because it's really easy to get in my shoes for you because you are aware of how awful that situation would be. 2) If I tell you my favorite anime char died it might not feel that sad to you but if you get the idea that it means A LOT to me you will still understand it at least and feel sad. 3) If I tell some random person on the street who never watched anime who doesn't even know what that is my fav anime char died he'll understand it even less and will understand the least about why I'm sad out of those 3 scenarios (until he sees me crying or something a bit more subtle than that)
If it really means that much to her (and it obviously does), the impact would have been a crapton better with a slightly more fullish picture for us instead of putting this first without knowing anything about her or anything about why she cares so much about it. This way we'll most likely go back to ep3 at some point and be like "aaaw, so that's why she was breaking down that time" but it's not as impactful as the punch in the belly you get from being too stupid to realize it earlier and only seeing it once it actually happens. Instead we're being told "you can feel sad now"
I think finally understood what you're getting at here. it's more about the order of things and less about it actually happening. You wanted the back story of why she's so upset/why nationals means so much to her first and then showing how she's frustrated and upset. At least i think that's what you mean.
Anyways i didn't have a problem with it. I'm actually enjoying hibike. The problem i have with it is it's pacing. at times it feels like it's going really slowly...like 3 episodes and nobody practices, nobody's doing much of anything really and they expect to go to nationals? lolz. Also, I expect we'll have a case of "all of a sudden they're amazing" which is really gonna hurt this show for me. You don't just become amazing over night in a band setting like this.
This might be just from my experience but the whole thing seems pretty unrealistic. When i was in band, we had so many people we had to split up into 2 different concert bands (and a freshman band) and all the bands always got top honors in all the competitions. Of course there were some slackers, but for the most part everybody worked hard, especially in practices (even the slackers worked in practices). What it came down to though, was outside of school work. The slackers didn't do that, and the rest of us did. Another problem is with the conductor. Again this is from my experience, but there were 4 conductors at my school, and all 4 of them worked really hard, and pushed everybody really hard to do the same. And there wasn't any "you guys decide what you want" or "come get me when you can play together". The conductors first job is to pull all the sections together. That's what they're even there for...to make sure that all the different sections are coming together to play as one. Also, if anybody was not really trying, they'd get kicked out of the band. I've seen it where somebody was screwing around during practice and they just kicked them out right there.
All in all, it's a moe show trying to be "realistic" about bands but it's falling short of that. Still, I like the characters so far, and I still like that it's at least attempting to show band as something cool.
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On April 23 2015 02:42 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:
This might be just from my experience but the whole thing seems pretty unrealistic. When i was in band, we had so many people we had to split up into 2 different concert bands (and a freshman band) and all the bands always got top honors in all the competitions. Of course there were some slackers, but for the most part everybody worked hard, especially in practices (even the slackers worked in practices). What it came down to though, was outside of school work. The slackers didn't do that, and the rest of us did. Another problem is with the conductor. Again this is from my experience, but there were 4 conductors at my school, and all 4 of them worked really hard, and pushed everybody really hard to do the same. And there wasn't any "you guys decide what you want" or "come get me when you can play together". The conductors first job is to pull all the sections together. That's what they're even there for...to make sure that all the different sections are coming together to play as one. Also, if anybody was not really trying, they'd get kicked out of the band. I've seen it where somebody was screwing around during practice and they just kicked them out right there.
Isn't your school band an actually funded department?
I'm pretty sure this thing in ufo is basically the equivalent of a club. They won't have enough resources to get all those nor does this school actually have any reputation for a band to begin with so it's not like the most studious of music students would actually go there or that it would receive major funding even IF it was an actual department.
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Gotta get through Regionals before you get to Nationals
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On April 23 2015 02:51 IceHism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 02:42 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:
This might be just from my experience but the whole thing seems pretty unrealistic. When i was in band, we had so many people we had to split up into 2 different concert bands (and a freshman band) and all the bands always got top honors in all the competitions. Of course there were some slackers, but for the most part everybody worked hard, especially in practices (even the slackers worked in practices). What it came down to though, was outside of school work. The slackers didn't do that, and the rest of us did. Another problem is with the conductor. Again this is from my experience, but there were 4 conductors at my school, and all 4 of them worked really hard, and pushed everybody really hard to do the same. And there wasn't any "you guys decide what you want" or "come get me when you can play together". The conductors first job is to pull all the sections together. That's what they're even there for...to make sure that all the different sections are coming together to play as one. Also, if anybody was not really trying, they'd get kicked out of the band. I've seen it where somebody was screwing around during practice and they just kicked them out right there. I'm pretty sure this is basically the equivalent of a club. They won't have enough resources to get all those nor does this school actually have any reputation for a band to begin with so it's not like the most studious of music students would actually go there.
Thats true i guess. I donno, aren't those clubs usually funded as well? Maybe not as much as my school's band, but still. Although...everybody in my band had to buy their own instruments (or rent them from some outside source) so really the only funding for the band was the conductors pay, and hibike is showing that like this club has enough money (at least at some point) to have bought all these ridiculously expensive instruments.
Another little anecdote: Our band was invited to march in some parade in Hawaii and to play a few songs at Pearl Harbor once. We worked really hard to have the 3-4 songs we played there to be really special. Our conductors had made sure we all knew the importance of playing there and the respect we should give to the spot (so there was always little things like nobody was talking, or fussing around, or anything like that). Afterwards some of the people that work there and some of the military guys that usually go to those things told us that they get bands coming to play there all year round, and the only ones that took it as serious as us or showed as much respect as us were the Japanese school bands that came to play there.
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there's some privilege in this thread right now 
I think it's silly to argue that kousaka's frustration isn't justified for a teenager lol or argue that it's even that dramatic. it really isn't
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I only skimmed through most of what has been posted in the past page and a half or so, but are you guys comparing yourselves to a little anime girl?
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On April 23 2015 01:00 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 00:52 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 23 2015 00:47 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think anyone in her really gets what I'm annoyed by when everyone just cherrypicks the things I mention that are fine and pretends like I'm having an issue with that... it's not about the result but about the way you're getting to that result.
I mean ZNF just, for the fifth time, repeated what I already mentioned and that I don't have a problem with (her being upset and sad about not going to nationals) and said that's what I'm having a problem with, when that's not the case at all... I literally just said myself that you even knew that's a thing because of episode1 myself a couple posts above... i chalk that up to your complaint being nitpicky and incomprehensible tbh  maybe you should read between the lines as opposed to hoping that the story spoonfeeds you precisely the information you want to know? if you think that the story is deliberately saying "okay feel sad" or whatever that's....not accurate at all? second one: I am, that's the thing. I'm just saying it would have been more impactful otherwise.
I will fundamentally disagree on that.
There's a beauty in leaving exercises for the viewer. For instance, you say they're playing a drama card here and that we should feel sad for the characters involved like her grandma died. But I didn't get that feeling at all. There's a certain tension, between senpai and kouhai, between students and teachers, between the ambitious and the conforming. Peer pressure is a big theme in school settings. Consider this in the context of Japanese culture where these things are very different from more Western countries. And I feel like episode 3 is a great dissection of that tension.
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On April 23 2015 04:45 MichaelEU wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 01:00 Toadesstern wrote:On April 23 2015 00:52 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 23 2015 00:47 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think anyone in her really gets what I'm annoyed by when everyone just cherrypicks the things I mention that are fine and pretends like I'm having an issue with that... it's not about the result but about the way you're getting to that result.
I mean ZNF just, for the fifth time, repeated what I already mentioned and that I don't have a problem with (her being upset and sad about not going to nationals) and said that's what I'm having a problem with, when that's not the case at all... I literally just said myself that you even knew that's a thing because of episode1 myself a couple posts above... i chalk that up to your complaint being nitpicky and incomprehensible tbh  maybe you should read between the lines as opposed to hoping that the story spoonfeeds you precisely the information you want to know? if you think that the story is deliberately saying "okay feel sad" or whatever that's....not accurate at all? second one: I am, that's the thing. I'm just saying it would have been more impactful otherwise. I will fundamentally disagree on that. There's a beauty in leaving exercises for the viewer. For instance, you say they're playing a drama card here and that we should feel sad for the characters involved like her grandma died. But I didn't get that feeling at all. There's a certain tension, between senpai and kouhai, between students and teachers, between the ambitious and the conforming. Peer pressure is a big theme in school settings. Consider this in the context of Japanese culture where these things are very different from more Western countries. And I feel like episode 3 is a great dissection of that tension. you disagree with me saying it was supposed to look/sound sad and you didn't think it was supposed to look sad? If that's the case, yeah then we disagree. I totally agree with beauty in leaving exercise for the viewer and absolutely love that, but if you do that leave the reaction to that to the time it actually comes together a little more. If you didn't think it was supposed to be sad you obviously don't see a problem there because they didn't make a mistake there, yeah.
It's like what was said up here:On April 23 2015 02:42 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 00:31 Toadesstern wrote: Okay final words from me on that matter, let's put it real easy:
1) If I tell you my mom died, you'd (hopefully) feel sad for me and have compassion. Because it's really easy to get in my shoes for you because you are aware of how awful that situation would be. 2) If I tell you my favorite anime char died it might not feel that sad to you but if you get the idea that it means A LOT to me you will still understand it at least and feel sad. 3) If I tell some random person on the street who never watched anime who doesn't even know what that is my fav anime char died he'll understand it even less and will understand the least about why I'm sad out of those 3 scenarios (until he sees me crying or something a bit more subtle than that)
If it really means that much to her (and it obviously does), the impact would have been a crapton better with a slightly more fullish picture for us instead of putting this first without knowing anything about her or anything about why she cares so much about it. This way we'll most likely go back to ep3 at some point and be like "aaaw, so that's why she was breaking down that time" but it's not as impactful as the punch in the belly you get from being too stupid to realize it earlier and only seeing it once it actually happens. Instead we're being told "you can feel sad now" I think finally understood what you're getting at here. it's more about the order of things and less about it actually happening. You wanted the back story of why she's so upset/why nationals means so much to her first and then showing how she's frustrated and upset. At least i think that's what you mean. [...] Except that I wouldn't be mad about just that either. That's okay to do, but if they do that don't emphasize on it as much as they did and let people figure out what's going on rather than shoving it in our faces before getting a chance to do so. If you don't think they did that, we obviously disagree about that.
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