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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 18 2015 20:36 GMT
#96321
On April 19 2015 04:56 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 04:46 XenOmega wrote:
On April 19 2015 04:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On April 19 2015 04:22 XenOmega wrote:
Out of curiousity : The character names in the Anime, are they typical Japanese names?

A lot of them often are.


@ZNF : How does it translate into writing? Looking at Japanese writings, some of the characters look similar to Chinese...
How does a name like Sakura translate into characters?

劉藝森 = Liu yi sen (my Chinese name). As you can see, three syllables. I think most Chinese names are 3 syllables (I could be wrong, I'm no expert)

Sa - ku - ra = 3 characters? But what about the family name?

Sa - ku - ra, Matou. that name = 5 characters?



Sakura is one character though: 桜

Moto Sakura = 間桐桜

Kanji in Japanese are not phonetic like they are in Chinese, which is why you see a lot of Kanji with Kana notation to clarify the pronunciation.

小鳥遊 literally means "birds playing" but actually pronounced Takanashi, which means "No (nashi) eagle (taka)", Japanese Kanji is filled with weird bullshit like that

I was just like "who in the world writes takanashi like that" so I google and get
高梨, this is the most common way to write Takanashi means 高(high) 梨(pear).
高階, another way to write means 高(high) 階(floor of the building, or stairs)
小鳥遊, I assume this became famous in recent Japanese anime, games and light novels indicate 小鳥 (small birds) 遊(play). This is a kind of word association game. The situation where small birds can play freely is a situation free of hawks which are their predator. Hawks are Taka in Japanese. The absence of something is Nashi in Japanese. Thus, this rare family name is read as Takanashi.

Yet again turns out that it's just really hard to figure out names yourself
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 18 2015 20:44 GMT
#96322
On April 19 2015 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 05:16 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn Gilgamesh is so op, cant wait to see how he gets beaten.

True, it's nice if you don't know the story yet. :D


:O I only watched fate/zero and glad I managed to avoid most spoilers so far except for a pretty important identity reveal coming later this season.

Is Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm essentially a treasurecollection of all legendary weapons (=Noble phantasms)?
Also I forgot what the explanation was why he could remain in the real world at the end of f/z.

Independant action
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Skill#Independent_Action
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
April 18 2015 20:55 GMT
#96323
On April 19 2015 05:36 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 04:56 ragz_gt wrote:
On April 19 2015 04:46 XenOmega wrote:
On April 19 2015 04:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On April 19 2015 04:22 XenOmega wrote:
Out of curiousity : The character names in the Anime, are they typical Japanese names?

A lot of them often are.


@ZNF : How does it translate into writing? Looking at Japanese writings, some of the characters look similar to Chinese...
How does a name like Sakura translate into characters?

劉藝森 = Liu yi sen (my Chinese name). As you can see, three syllables. I think most Chinese names are 3 syllables (I could be wrong, I'm no expert)

Sa - ku - ra = 3 characters? But what about the family name?

Sa - ku - ra, Matou. that name = 5 characters?



Sakura is one character though: 桜

Moto Sakura = 間桐桜

Kanji in Japanese are not phonetic like they are in Chinese, which is why you see a lot of Kanji with Kana notation to clarify the pronunciation.

小鳥遊 literally means "birds playing" but actually pronounced Takanashi, which means "No (nashi) eagle (taka)", Japanese Kanji is filled with weird bullshit like that

I was just like "who in the world writes takanashi like that" so I google and get
Show nested quote +
高梨, this is the most common way to write Takanashi means 高(high) 梨(pear).
高階, another way to write means 高(high) 階(floor of the building, or stairs)
小鳥遊, I assume this became famous in recent Japanese anime, games and light novels indicate 小鳥 (small birds) 遊(play). This is a kind of word association game. The situation where small birds can play freely is a situation free of hawks which are their predator. Hawks are Taka in Japanese. The absence of something is Nashi in Japanese. Thus, this rare family name is read as Takanashi.

Yet again turns out that it's just really hard to figure out names yourself


小鳥遊 is a long existing Japanese name, but it is extremely rare. Estimates is that there are more fake Takanashi written as 小鳥遊 than real people.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 18 2015 20:57 GMT
#96324
On April 19 2015 05:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn Gilgamesh is so op, cant wait to see how he gets beaten.

agree, that was something. Can't wait for the next episode! :D

On April 19 2015 05:27 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 05:20 BigFan wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:13 Souma wrote:
On April 19 2015 04:11 BigFan wrote:
On April 19 2015 02:10 Slaughter wrote:
The point is not to defend her intelligence but to point out that stupidity is endemic to anime so to rage extra hard at her for it is lame .

pretty much this. I'm just surprised that she gets raged on when you have other characters that do such stupid crap as well -_-

I'm surprised you still don't understand the simple concept of relativity.

I think it's best to agree to disagree at this point seeing as we aren't going to see eye to eye on this one.

I've agreed to disagree long ago. You need to stop trying to rationalize things and realize that what you like may be incomprehensible and live with that realization without trying to finger your way around it to make it seem like it's something it isn't.

I've said it once I'll say it again: it's okay to like what you like, just don't try to support it with bad logic.

lol stop being so combative over something so silly. You're free to disagree with me as much as you like, won't change anything.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
April 18 2015 21:03 GMT
#96325
It's like you don't even read.
Writer
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 18 2015 21:14 GMT
#96326
On April 19 2015 06:03 Souma wrote:
It's like you don't even read.

I read what you wrote but I'm not interested in discussing this further.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
April 18 2015 21:29 GMT
#96327
You're not reading anything if you think I'm trying to change your mind.
Writer
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 21:41:34
April 18 2015 21:37 GMT
#96328
^ I've already heard you make that same logic point before.

Seraph: + Show Spoiler +
finally he's going to start the training. Beating a demon was faster than I thought it would be lol. Wonder what his reaction will be to Mika being a vampire now
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
April 18 2015 21:43 GMT
#96329
On April 19 2015 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 05:16 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn Gilgamesh is so op, cant wait to see how he gets beaten.

True, it's nice if you don't know the story yet. :D


:O I only watched fate/zero and glad I managed to avoid most spoilers so far except for a pretty important identity reveal coming later this season.

Is Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm essentially a treasurecollection of all legendary weapons (=Noble phantasms)?
Also I forgot what the explanation was why he could remain in the real world at the end of f/z.

Gilgamesh owns all of the original prototype of the noble phantasms, so that is somewhat accurate.
+ Show Spoiler +
The content of the corrupt holy grail gave him the actual body when it was destroy by saber.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
April 18 2015 21:44 GMT
#96330
How dare characters be stupid. If only she was as smart as Lelouch or Light, who are objectively the best anime characters.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 18 2015 21:45 GMT
#96331
On April 19 2015 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 05:16 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn Gilgamesh is so op, cant wait to see how he gets beaten.

True, it's nice if you don't know the story yet. :D


:O I only watched fate/zero and glad I managed to avoid most spoilers so far except for a pretty important identity reveal coming later this season.

Is Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm essentially a treasurecollection of all legendary weapons (=Noble phantasms)?
Also I forgot what the explanation was why he could remain in the real world at the end of f/z.

Not quite a collection of every legend, but it might as well be.

It's basically a nod to the fact that the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest surviving heroic epics, the fact that many mythical figures and legends draw inspiration from older ones (like King Arthur and Excalibur being very similar to the older legend of Sigurd and Gram from the Nibelungenlied), and that ancient Mesopotamia is considered the cradle of western civilization, and Babylon the greatest city from that region and time.

So essentially in FSN it's saying that all (Western) legends are derived from something from the time and place where Gilgamesh was the undisputed ruler of everything, so if you have a cool sword, he has the original.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
April 18 2015 21:49 GMT
#96332
On April 19 2015 06:44 Sentenal wrote:
How dare characters be stupid. If only she was as smart as Lelouch or Light, who are objectively the best anime characters.

Light is my hero. u wanna fite
Writer
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 21:53:15
April 18 2015 21:52 GMT
#96333
On April 19 2015 06:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:16 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn Gilgamesh is so op, cant wait to see how he gets beaten.

True, it's nice if you don't know the story yet. :D


:O I only watched fate/zero and glad I managed to avoid most spoilers so far except for a pretty important identity reveal coming later this season.

Is Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm essentially a treasurecollection of all legendary weapons (=Noble phantasms)?
Also I forgot what the explanation was why he could remain in the real world at the end of f/z.

Not quite a collection of every legend, but it might as well be.

It's basically a nod to the fact that the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest surviving heroic epics, the fact that many mythical figures and legends draw inspiration from older ones (like King Arthur and Excalibur being very similar to the older legend of Sigurd and Gram from the Nibelungenlied), and that ancient Mesopotamia is considered the cradle of western civilization, and Babylon the greatest city from that region and time.

So essentially in FSN it's saying that all (Western) legends are derived from something from the time and place where Gilgamesh was the undisputed ruler of everything, so if you have a cool sword, he has the original.

+ Show Spoiler +
It might as well be "all" Legends, since all normal Heroic Spirits are Western in Fate. The only exception to this is FSN Assassin who is Eastern, and he's not even a heroic spirit on top of being an anomaly. The only Noble Phantasm that is an actual thing (rather than an ability) that Gilgamesh doesn't have the original of is Avalon.


On April 19 2015 06:49 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 06:44 Sentenal wrote:
How dare characters be stupid. If only she was as smart as Lelouch or Light, who are objectively the best anime characters.

Light is my hero. u wanna fite

no I agree, I remember all the smart things he did, so smart, so good, why can't all anime characters be him?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 21:53:41
April 18 2015 21:53 GMT
#96334
On April 19 2015 06:44 Sentenal wrote:
How dare characters be stupid. If only she was as smart as Lelouch or Light, who are objectively the best anime characters.

the IQ levels are too high for your comprehension

we must bow to our overlords
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 18 2015 21:54 GMT
#96335
On April 19 2015 06:52 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 06:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:16 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn Gilgamesh is so op, cant wait to see how he gets beaten.

True, it's nice if you don't know the story yet. :D


:O I only watched fate/zero and glad I managed to avoid most spoilers so far except for a pretty important identity reveal coming later this season.

Is Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm essentially a treasurecollection of all legendary weapons (=Noble phantasms)?
Also I forgot what the explanation was why he could remain in the real world at the end of f/z.

Not quite a collection of every legend, but it might as well be.

It's basically a nod to the fact that the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest surviving heroic epics, the fact that many mythical figures and legends draw inspiration from older ones (like King Arthur and Excalibur being very similar to the older legend of Sigurd and Gram from the Nibelungenlied), and that ancient Mesopotamia is considered the cradle of western civilization, and Babylon the greatest city from that region and time.

So essentially in FSN it's saying that all (Western) legends are derived from something from the time and place where Gilgamesh was the undisputed ruler of everything, so if you have a cool sword, he has the original.

+ Show Spoiler +
It might as well be "all" Legends, since all normal Heroic Spirits are Western in Fate. The only exception to this is FSN Assassin who is Eastern, and he's not even a heroic spirit on top of being an anomaly. The only Noble Phantasm that is an actual thing (rather than an ability) that Gilgamesh doesn't have the original of is Avalon.


Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 06:49 Souma wrote:
On April 19 2015 06:44 Sentenal wrote:
How dare characters be stupid. If only she was as smart as Lelouch or Light, who are objectively the best anime characters.

Light is my hero. u wanna fite

no I agree, I remember all the smart things he did, so smart, so good, why can't all anime characters be him?


He wasn't in the greatest anime of all time though. Can't be too good.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
April 18 2015 21:57 GMT
#96336
Even Bleach has a limited amount of character slots.
Writer
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 18 2015 22:12 GMT
#96337
Gunslinger Stratos: + Show Spoiler +
not sure what to think of this anymore though the battle was at least fun to watch.


On April 19 2015 06:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:16 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn Gilgamesh is so op, cant wait to see how he gets beaten.

True, it's nice if you don't know the story yet. :D


:O I only watched fate/zero and glad I managed to avoid most spoilers so far except for a pretty important identity reveal coming later this season.

Is Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm essentially a treasurecollection of all legendary weapons (=Noble phantasms)?
Also I forgot what the explanation was why he could remain in the real world at the end of f/z.

Not quite a collection of every legend, but it might as well be.

It's basically a nod to the fact that the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest surviving heroic epics, the fact that many mythical figures and legends draw inspiration from older ones (like King Arthur and Excalibur being very similar to the older legend of Sigurd and Gram from the Nibelungenlied), and that ancient Mesopotamia is considered the cradle of western civilization, and Babylon the greatest city from that region and time.

So essentially in FSN it's saying that all (Western) legends are derived from something from the time and place where Gilgamesh was the undisputed ruler of everything, so if you have a cool sword, he has the original.

Interesting. Thanks for the tidbit!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 18 2015 22:12 GMT
#96338
On April 19 2015 06:52 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 06:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:28 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:16 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 19 2015 05:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn Gilgamesh is so op, cant wait to see how he gets beaten.

True, it's nice if you don't know the story yet. :D


:O I only watched fate/zero and glad I managed to avoid most spoilers so far except for a pretty important identity reveal coming later this season.

Is Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasm essentially a treasurecollection of all legendary weapons (=Noble phantasms)?
Also I forgot what the explanation was why he could remain in the real world at the end of f/z.

Not quite a collection of every legend, but it might as well be.

It's basically a nod to the fact that the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest surviving heroic epics, the fact that many mythical figures and legends draw inspiration from older ones (like King Arthur and Excalibur being very similar to the older legend of Sigurd and Gram from the Nibelungenlied), and that ancient Mesopotamia is considered the cradle of western civilization, and Babylon the greatest city from that region and time.

So essentially in FSN it's saying that all (Western) legends are derived from something from the time and place where Gilgamesh was the undisputed ruler of everything, so if you have a cool sword, he has the original.

+ Show Spoiler +
It might as well be "all" Legends, since all normal Heroic Spirits are Western in Fate. The only exception to this is FSN Assassin who is Eastern, and he's not even a heroic spirit on top of being an anomaly. The only Noble Phantasm that is an actual thing (rather than an ability) that Gilgamesh doesn't have the original of is Avalon.

He also doesn't have Rider's + Show Spoiler +
Bellerephon (the Bridle and Whip) and Breaker Gorgon (the blindfold)
, but neither are exactly Legendary.

And I think I misspoke, and it's actually the Sword in the Stone that's the Gram analogue, not Excalibur. + Show Spoiler +
I can't remember if he actually has an Excalibur original or not. I'm thinking not, since it's one of the few times he busts out Ea.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 18 2015 22:14 GMT
#96339
Is Rider cool in UBW? Because if I recall correctly, she was the lamest servant in FSN :D. And the comparison with the Rider from Zero didn't improve that later on.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 18 2015 22:16 GMT
#96340
On April 19 2015 07:14 ZenithM wrote:
Is Rider cool in UBW? Because if I recall correctly, she was the lamest servant in FSN :D. And the comparison with the Rider from Zero didn't improve that later on.

+ Show Spoiler +
She's even worse in UBW. Gets randomly curbstomped by Caster and her master.

Heaven's Feel, though, is where she goes absolutely ham and is a complete badass.
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