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Slaughter
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Mensol
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im glad we have someone like him in this thread. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On July 04 2014 08:33 BlackMagister wrote: Luffy would rather take a risk where everyone could die or everyone could live even if it's a slim chance rather than someone is guaranteed to die, but everyone else lives. Luffy didn't know about there being two choices, but he risked his whole crew by taking the Knock Up Stream when apparently there were safer routes, but someone is probably going to die. http://mangawall.com/manga/one-piece/238/15 He didn't know so you can't really give him that credit. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On July 05 2014 06:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I think if Luffy and the crew knew that knock up stream would have a good chance of killing them all, I think they would not had taken that choice. There's no reason for any of the crew to die just to visit an unknown island for adventure; that's basically their way of life. Are you saying that Luffy and crew, had they known that the knock-up-stream was an all or nothing gamble on their lives, would not have taken it? I dunno about that. Many parts of the manga suggest that they were already aware of the knock-up-stream presenting lethal dangers. 1.) They encountered a wrecked ship with no survivors that was knock-up-stream aftermath. Falling off knock-up-stream and getting annihilated confirmed possibility. 2.) Common sense dictates that when you fall from the sky with nothing slowing you down you will die on impact. 3.) While ascending the knock-up-stream, the Going Merry actually lost contact with the stream and was floating, detached from it for a while, being carried by its air currents. The crew reaction in that scene suggests that they feared being in danger of falling off of the stream. It's safe to assume that the terrified crew members were afraid for their lives. Yet they still took the stream. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2536 Posts
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Sentenal
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On July 05 2014 08:21 EchOne wrote: Are you saying that Luffy and crew, had they known that the knock-up-stream was an all or nothing gamble on their lives, would not have taken it? I dunno about that. Many parts of the manga suggest that they were already aware of the knock-up-stream presenting lethal dangers. 1.) They encountered a wrecked ship with no survivors that was knock-up-stream aftermath. Falling off knock-up-stream and getting annihilated confirmed possibility. 2.) Common sense dictates that when you fall from the sky with nothing slowing you down you will die on impact. 3.) While ascending the knock-up-stream, the Going Merry actually lost contact with the stream and was floating, detached from it for a while, being carried by its air currents. The crew reaction in that scene suggests that they feared being in danger of falling off of the stream. It's safe to assume that the terrified crew members were afraid for their lives. Yet they still took the stream. 1) Wasn't the wrecked ship was a ship hundreds of years past? It confirmed nothing, and most importantly the crew didn't make any sort of connection that you do. 2) Common sense dictates that nothing in One piece makes sense at all. 3) Yes, they feared but they did so during it, not beforehand. They simply didn't have the information beforehand. Why try to find evidene of their knowing that they knew the stream would kill any of all of them when there isn't any? Simply put, Luffy didn't know, nobody on his crew knew either. Hence they were astonished when the guy on the bird horse creature told them so. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On July 05 2014 08:21 EchOne wrote: Are you saying that Luffy and crew, had they known that the knock-up-stream was an all or nothing gamble on their lives, would not have taken it? I dunno about that. Many parts of the manga suggest that they were already aware of the knock-up-stream presenting lethal dangers. 1.) They encountered a wrecked ship with no survivors that was knock-up-stream aftermath. Falling off knock-up-stream and getting annihilated confirmed possibility. the ship that fell near them didn't come from the knock-up stream but from "cloud drifting" (exile on a cloud until you die, and eventually, fall down, hence why the ship was so old) | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
I think if Luffy and the crew knew that knock up stream would have a good chance of killing them all, I think they would not had taken that choice. There's no reason for any of the crew to die just to visit an unknown island for adventure; that's basically their way of life. they were about to get a reverse waterfall, get shot up in the air, hope the modifcations on there ship allowed it to fly to an island they didnt know for sure was there and your saying there unaware that they had a good chance of all dieing? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Oda wanted them to go to sky island to progress the story and for the adventure, so he figured out a way to make them get there somehow that seemed interesting. Luffy knowing about them having a chance of dying or not isn't really relevant, as we all know they in reality had a 0% chance of dying anyway and deus ex machinae will save them when need be. Luffy would never make a decision that would prevent an adventure arc simply because those are a large part of OP. People seem to be thinking too hard. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
You do learn about Luffy by looking at the choices he makes to learn the type of person he is. Luffy would never order one of his crew to die for him and would put his own life on the line to try and save a nakama. At the same time Luffy picks the most dangerous and exciting paths of adventure even when certain members of the crew object. Luffy was never given the choice of knock up stream vs unknown dangerous route, but he still probably would have chosen the knock up stream. It's implied that the other routes would cause you to lose a crew mate and the choice is similar Odysseus having to choose between Scylla, a six headed monster, and Charybdis, a whirlpool that could sink ship. Odysseus picked the safer route sacrificing 6 men to a Scylla rather than go the route with the whirlpool which could kill the entire crew and logically it was a smart move. Luffy doesn't make smart moves he does the impossible and what he feels is right or exciting. Luffy is the main character so he succeeds, but he still risked his entire crew to save Robin from CP9 and almost died dueling Aokiji. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Yes. One could argue that the moment you leave your house you are already risking your life. Going to sea poses more risks. Entering the Grand Line poses great risks in the OP world as well. Luffy is confident he can protect the crew. He trusts his crew to do their part. I will mention Nami because she is basically responsible for avoiding any travel related disasters, something Luffy can't actually help with. Now, compare that to Doflamingo, who outright ordered Monet to die. Her dying was direct result of DD's plan at that point. Luffy in the same situation would have told Monet to hold on and that he is going to rescue her. And that's the difference between Doflamingo and Luffy. Luffy would rather risk his own life than let one of his crewmates face certain death. | ||
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Slaughter
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
But he is a guy that won't regret his choices even when facing death, he will be sorry for his nakama and his brothers but he won't be sorry for his life.. On the other hand DD will regret everything, losing his life, his empire, his family, his status, etc. We still don't know what made DD leave his previous life, what made him kill his parents and leave Marijoa and what prompted him to kill his brother. I bet that will show us the real motives behind DD's actions and lack of moral and ethics.. They are no the same, they are very diferent but they both like, trust and protect their friends but DD is more realistic and expects everything from his family, luffy doesn't because he is naive. | ||
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PVJ
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