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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17339 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:06 Sandtrout wrote: But why would Varys tell the small council that Daenerys was alive and pregnant and then try to prevent the assasination (which he probably organised himself since he seems to have the best contacts there) instead of just not giving the council the information at all? Because others could have their informants too. If he knew she was alive, didn't reveal it and someone else did instead, he would come out as incompetent, which would jeopardise his position. Also, he tries to attract the least attention possible to himself, thus publicly supporting everyone else while doing all of his business in secret. | ||
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Sandtrout
243 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:08 Whole wrote: To make him seem like he is 100% loyal to the king or w/e. I'm sure he has to spill some info every once in a while. It'd be shady if he never told the small council anything but they'd all know he knows everything. I'm just spitting out theories though. I could be 100% wrong. It would make sense if he doesn't only one plan, which would fit him. If he gives information to both sides, they all need him (nobody completely trusts him) and he will always be on the winning side. Varys is the character where I'm always uncertain about his intentions. He cannot hope to ever sit on the iron throne himself, so what does he want? Peace? Controlling whoever is king and having the real power? Revenge to whoever made him an eunuch (that only being an option that I thought of this episode because he hinted at a kind of important reason)? | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15345 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:21 CobaltBlu wrote: I'm pretty confident Varys wanted there to be a failed assassination attempt in order to drive Drogo into wanting to invade Westeros for a reason besides a promise he made to some guy he killed. That doesn't make sense. Varys was the one organizing the assassination. He has the poisoner hired. He couldn't possibly know that Jorah would change is mind last second. Also he couldn't know that Drogo needed that push to finally decide to cross the narrow sea either. And if he wanted her alive from the beginning why would he order the assassination in the first place. He could have just told the rest of the Small Council that everything is in motion without actually hiring assassins. | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:34 zatic wrote: That doesn't make sense. Varys was the one organizing the assassination. He has the poisoner hired. He couldn't possibly know that Jorah would change is mind last second. Also he couldn't know that Drogo needed that push to finally decide to cross the narrow sea either. And if he wanted her alive from the beginning why would he order the assassination in the first place. He could have just told the rest of the Small Council that everything is in motion without actually hiring assassins. I think when the assassination was ordered Varys viewed Dany as disposable - Viserys was the one he would have been plotting to put on the throne. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:34 zatic wrote: That doesn't make sense. Varys was the one organizing the assassination. He has the poisoner hired. He couldn't possibly know that Jorah would change is mind last second. Also he couldn't know that Drogo needed that push to finally decide to cross the narrow sea either. And if he wanted her alive from the beginning why would he order the assassination in the first place. He could have just told the rest of the Small Council that everything is in motion without actually hiring assassins. It is a big ass stretch, but as I said before, I'm just throwing out theories. I don't have enough info on Varys to know what the hell he is up to. I like the above theory better. It makes much more sense! I forgot Dany's bro was still alive at that point. | ||
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:34 zatic wrote: That doesn't make sense. Varys was the one organizing the assassination. He has the poisoner hired. He couldn't possibly know that Jorah would change is mind last second. Also he couldn't know that Drogo needed that push to finally decide to cross the narrow sea either. And if he wanted her alive from the beginning why would he order the assassination in the first place. He could have just told the rest of the Small Council that everything is in motion without actually hiring assassins. Then what do you think his overall plan was? He clearly wanted the Dothraki to invade at a time of weakness due to inter-family strife, and perhaps a successful Dany assassination could spur that. But with Dany dead, it would just be the Dothraki running things (he couldn't possibly think that they'd just give the kingdom to Viserys) which is good for no one. IIlyrio and Varys have no reason to want the Dothraki to attack with Dany dead. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:34 zatic wrote: That doesn't make sense. Varys was the one organizing the assassination. He has the poisoner hired. He couldn't possibly know that Jorah would change is mind last second. Also he couldn't know that Drogo needed that push to finally decide to cross the narrow sea either. And if he wanted her alive from the beginning why would he order the assassination in the first place. He could have just told the rest of the Small Council that everything is in motion without actually hiring assassins. I agree it's a bit strange.. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:42 frogrubdown wrote: Then what do you think his overall plan was? He clearly wanted the Dothraki to invade at a time of weakness due to inter-family strife, and perhaps a successful Dany assassination could spur that. But with Dany dead, it would just be the Dothraki running things (he couldn't possibly think that they'd just give the kingdom to Viserys) which is good for no one. IIlyrio and Varys have no reason to want the Dothraki to attack with Dany dead. Well, I don't know if the Dothraki would even want to keep the throne. They're nomads, so they could easily honor the trade of "I give you ships to raid the west, you give me throne" since they wouldn't care about the throne. edit: but of course, Viserys is a retard and got himself killed | ||
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On June 02 2012 04:45 Whole wrote: Well, I don't know if the Dothraki would even want to keep the throne. They're nomads, so they could easily honor the trade of "I give you ships to raid the west, you give me throne" since they wouldn't care about the throne. edit: but of course, Viserys is a retard and got himself killed Yeah, I don't know. They seemed to (justifiably) hate Viserys from the beginning and I doubt they would want anything to do with him with Dany dead. Maybe Varys just didn't know this or think about it. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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Telenil
France484 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On June 02 2012 05:12 Telenil wrote: That has puzzled me too. While we're at it, there was a similar mind screw with Littlefingers. Back in S1, he says the blade used by the assassin who tried to murdered Bran was Tirion's, yet from what we see after that, it wasn't. So why did Littlefinger lie to Cat? Did he want the Stark and Lannister to kill each other? If so, why? Could you jog my memory a little bit? How did they find out it wasn't Tyrion's? I know Tyrion said that it'd be stupid to use his own blade in an assassination attempt, but anything else? | ||
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
On June 02 2012 05:13 Whole wrote: Could you jog my memory a little bit? How did they find out it wasn't Tyrion's? I know Tyrion said that it'd be stupid to use his own blade in an assassination attempt, but anything else? it was littlefingers and he lost it in a bet to tyrion | ||
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Escavalier
Canada62 Posts
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Critter
United States196 Posts
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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Mataru
Norway356 Posts
On June 02 2012 05:13 Whole wrote: Could you jog my memory a little bit? How did they find out it wasn't Tyrion's? I know Tyrion said that it'd be stupid to use his own blade in an assassination attempt, but anything else? Littlefinger claims he lost the blade to Tyrion betting that Jaime Lannister would unhorse Loras Tyrell (The Knight of Flowers) in a jousting tournament, implying that Tyrion bet on Loras rather than his own brother(since Loras won). Tyrion says he never bets against his own family, and it is quite clear that he holds Jaime's battle prowess in high regard (tried to name him his champion in the trial at the Eyrie, for one) so it seems highly likely that Tyrion is telling the truth. We also see Tyrion giving Littlefinger some mean stares when he returns to King's Landing and I'm pretty sure he said something vague to him once about lying/deceit. I've actually been really looking forward to Tyrion confronting Littlefinger about it, but it makes sense that he would rather sit back and watch him, waiting for something more substantial than a lie to confront him with. | ||
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