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On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily.
This was mentioned in the show, and it was clear for those talking about it (the Council I believe) that any army would flat out lose if they fought the Dothraki in the open. To imagine that armies would come together to defend Westeros is to believe that they can organize themselves, move the troops and set up the logistics for such a huge force before the Dothrakis even cross the sea; not forgetting that even then, we are talking about 40 000 elite horsemen against mostly feudal rag-tag armies.
No matter what, the Dothraki in Westeros was very bad news.
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If only somebody with the 1080p version of S02E09 can make a wallpaper of this scene
+ Show Spoiler +
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On June 02 2012 19:19 Azera wrote:If only somebody with the 1080p version of S02E09 can make a wallpaper of this scene + Show Spoiler +
I was thinking the same thing. But I don't think 1080p is available yet. + it would still be a tad blurry considering its a film. Someone with photoshop skills might be able to clean it up though.
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On June 02 2012 19:21 Excludos wrote:I was thinking the same thing. But I don't think 1080p is available yet. + it would still be a tad blurry considering its a film. Someone with photoshop skills might be able to clean it up though.
Dang, if only if only
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On June 02 2012 19:08 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily. This was mentioned in the show, and it was clear for those talking about it (the Council I believe) that any army would flat out lose if they fought the Dothraki in the open. To imagine that armies would come together to defend Westeros is to believe that they can organize themselves, move the troops and set up the logistics for such a huge force before the Dothrakis even cross the sea; not forgetting that even then, we are talking about 40 000 elite horsemen against mostly feudal rag-tag armies. No matter what, the Dothraki in Westeros was very bad news.
The dothraki come from a place where its hot as fuck. Then dothraki wouldnt be able to deal with the winter at all. They would freeze, horses would freeze, no food available because the harvests are done and all the food it stored in the keeps. Even the westerosi know not to move big armies in winter. The Dothraki land in westeros now and it would be a fucking disaster for Dany. Even if some of the south joins them they cant take the cities without seige weapons, they will starve before the defenders as all the cities are stocked for a 7 year winter, and they will never get deep into the north because of the cold.
Bad news for westeros sure, worse news for the dothraki.
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On June 02 2012 20:50 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 19:08 Kukaracha wrote:On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily. This was mentioned in the show, and it was clear for those talking about it (the Council I believe) that any army would flat out lose if they fought the Dothraki in the open. To imagine that armies would come together to defend Westeros is to believe that they can organize themselves, move the troops and set up the logistics for such a huge force before the Dothrakis even cross the sea; not forgetting that even then, we are talking about 40 000 elite horsemen against mostly feudal rag-tag armies. No matter what, the Dothraki in Westeros was very bad news. The dothraki come from a place where its hot as fuck. Then dothraki wouldnt be able to deal with the winter at all. They would freeze, horses would freeze, no food available because the harvests are done and all the food it stored in the keeps. Even the westerosi know not to move big armies in winter. The Dothraki land in westeros now and it would be a fucking disaster for Dany. Even if some of the south joins them they cant take the cities without seige weapons, they will starve before the defenders as all the cities are stocked for a 7 year winter, and they will never get deep into the north because of the cold. Bad news for westeros sure, worse news for the dothraki.
I've never considered Winter when thinking about how Dany was going to invade Westeros with the Dothraki. I can't wait to see what happens with all dem + Show Spoiler + and stuff!
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On June 02 2012 19:19 Azera wrote:If only somebody with the 1080p version of S02E09 can make a wallpaper of this scene + Show Spoiler +
Here you go mate: http://imgur.com/5apDs
Someone might need to do some photoshop to get it to look better.
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URRRggggghhhHHHHHH
I can't wait for episode 10.....
but at the same time, I'm going to be so bored when the last episode is done.....any idea how long we'll have to wait for season 3?
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On June 02 2012 21:43 GhostOwl wrote:
URRRggggghhhHHHHHH
I can't wait for episode 10.....
but at the same time, I'm going to be so bored when the last episode is done.....any idea how long we'll have to wait for season 3?
9-10 months
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On June 02 2012 20:50 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 19:08 Kukaracha wrote:On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily. This was mentioned in the show, and it was clear for those talking about it (the Council I believe) that any army would flat out lose if they fought the Dothraki in the open. To imagine that armies would come together to defend Westeros is to believe that they can organize themselves, move the troops and set up the logistics for such a huge force before the Dothrakis even cross the sea; not forgetting that even then, we are talking about 40 000 elite horsemen against mostly feudal rag-tag armies. No matter what, the Dothraki in Westeros was very bad news. The dothraki come from a place where its hot as fuck. Then dothraki wouldnt be able to deal with the winter at all. They would freeze, horses would freeze, no food available because the harvests are done and all the food it stored in the keeps. Even the westerosi know not to move big armies in winter. The Dothraki land in westeros now and it would be a fucking disaster for Dany. Even if some of the south joins them they cant take the cities without seige weapons, they will starve before the defenders as all the cities are stocked for a 7 year winter, and they will never get deep into the north because of the cold. Bad news for westeros sure, worse news for the dothraki.
I'm sure the Dothraki could hire/capture Engineers to build siege weapons...mongol style!
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On June 02 2012 22:07 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 20:50 Blacktion wrote:On June 02 2012 19:08 Kukaracha wrote:On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily. This was mentioned in the show, and it was clear for those talking about it (the Council I believe) that any army would flat out lose if they fought the Dothraki in the open. To imagine that armies would come together to defend Westeros is to believe that they can organize themselves, move the troops and set up the logistics for such a huge force before the Dothrakis even cross the sea; not forgetting that even then, we are talking about 40 000 elite horsemen against mostly feudal rag-tag armies. No matter what, the Dothraki in Westeros was very bad news. The dothraki come from a place where its hot as fuck. Then dothraki wouldnt be able to deal with the winter at all. They would freeze, horses would freeze, no food available because the harvests are done and all the food it stored in the keeps. Even the westerosi know not to move big armies in winter. The Dothraki land in westeros now and it would be a fucking disaster for Dany. Even if some of the south joins them they cant take the cities without seige weapons, they will starve before the defenders as all the cities are stocked for a 7 year winter, and they will never get deep into the north because of the cold. Bad news for westeros sure, worse news for the dothraki. I'm sure the Dothraki could hire/capture Engineers to build siege weapons...mongol style!
well yeah, but there are plenty of rich cities on that continent as well and dohtraki never engaged in a siege as far as we know, not their style i guess
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hey this is awesome man, good job
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On June 02 2012 20:50 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 19:08 Kukaracha wrote:On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily. This was mentioned in the show, and it was clear for those talking about it (the Council I believe) that any army would flat out lose if they fought the Dothraki in the open. To imagine that armies would come together to defend Westeros is to believe that they can organize themselves, move the troops and set up the logistics for such a huge force before the Dothrakis even cross the sea; not forgetting that even then, we are talking about 40 000 elite horsemen against mostly feudal rag-tag armies. No matter what, the Dothraki in Westeros was very bad news. The dothraki come from a place where its hot as fuck. Then dothraki wouldnt be able to deal with the winter at all. They would freeze, horses would freeze, no food available because the harvests are done and all the food it stored in the keeps. Even the westerosi know not to move big armies in winter. The Dothraki land in westeros now and it would be a fucking disaster for Dany. Even if some of the south joins them they cant take the cities without seige weapons, they will starve before the defenders as all the cities are stocked for a 7 year winter, and they will never get deep into the north because of the cold. Bad news for westeros sure, worse news for the dothraki.
Winter is bad for everyone, nothing happens during winter basically. I don't think it was ever even a possibility in Daenerys' eyes.
With all the time that has passed, it is likely that if Khal Drogo was alive he would've invaded Westeros by now, or at least would be preparing it. And in this situation, it is the cities that starve to death while the horde sets the country on fire. Everything would be over long before winter.
Really, I don't know why I'm explaining this since the men of the council themselves considered the Dothraki as a mortal threat (and they supposedly know the realm quite well).
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Soon we see the awaited season final but also it makes me sad to wait 1 more year for next season  I guess I have to pick up the books
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On June 02 2012 23:35 SKDN wrote:Soon we see the awaited season final but also it makes me sad to wait 1 more year for next season I guess I have to pick up the books
Trust me, the books won't be a torture, recently started as well, and the way it's written, I love it.
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Wow! Great work TheLight and Pkkktz! Thanks!
Also, excellent first post Pkkktz!
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On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily.
The Mongols (whom the Dothraki seem to be at least in some part modelled on) have beaten worse odds than that in real life.
That's not to say the Dothraki would win though, as we know next to nothing about their actual battle prowness except some 1-on-1 fights.
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On June 03 2012 02:16 IamVirGin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily. The Mongols (whom the Dothraki seem to be at least in some part modelled on) have beaten worse odds than that in real life. That's not to say the Dothraki would win though, as we know next to nothing about their actual battle prowness except some 1-on-1 fights.
Jorah mentioned way back in season 1 that when the hoard passes by a city, the city generally preps for a war but surrender without a fight and offers gifts of food water and valuables in hope that the Dothraki leave. If the offer was sufficient then the hoards continues on, if not they fight and sack the city. Sometimes if the Kahl is looking for a fight they fight regardless. Kahl Drogo happened to win everytime he fought. Hence the long hair
Thats a pretty fearsom reputation to have. They clearly know their way around war. Everyone in the lands the Dothraki roam fears them, their reputation has crossed the sea. I think its safe to say that a Dothraki army could crush a Westeros army in an open feild. But idk how they handle winter so it shall be intresting. Throw in 3 fire breathing dragons and who the hell knows whats gonna happen!
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On June 02 2012 11:19 Critter wrote:
100k was the entire Khalasar, the fighters were about 40k. Even if they magically got the entire 40k across the sea at the same time without losing a ship and were able to land at the same place, that still just 40k horsemen. The Reach and part of the Stormlands fielded 100k fighters for Renly, 20k a piece for the Starks/Lannisters, unknown for the Riverlands since they were essentially surprise attacked, unknown for the Vale and Dorne as well. Against the 100k Dothraki fighters Robert thought had they might have had trouble, against 40k (again, if they even all made it) I think they'd have had them put down pretty easily.
40k organized horsemen can beat 200k non trained non professional soldiers, however, they can't take a city. But you can't have 200k men in a city else you starve in 1week.
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