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On May 14 2019 01:08 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2019 00:56 crms wrote:
The more I think about the episode the more disappointed and sad I get.
I can't believe Jamie said 'ive never much cared for innocents' in his farewell to Tyrion. The guy broke oath and stabbed a fucking KING to death to prevent the loss of innocent life, a move that set his entire story arch into action lol. What a clown show. Remember when Bran let him live because he said he would be useful later LOL. He didn’t really do anything in the NK siege except kill some wights (and considering he’s a cripple his kill count was probably on the low end). I guess he killed Euron, but he had already lost his fleet so he was useless. Bran literally let him live just so he could betray them one more time...
Ugh, I had forgotten about that. It just keeps getting worse.
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I have so low expectations from this show now that I voted Arya to kill Dany last ep.
She saw the burned bodies and is mad AF.
Also I thought Dany wanted to sit on the Iron Throne
Pretty sure she just burned the whole fucking castle down in a random fit of rage when she had already won the battle lol.
Saw this on reddit, pretty much sums up this episode lmao sorry if posted didnt see it!
![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/9h4x6apenyx21.jpg)
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Maybe they kill Dany and the Dragon takes over Kings Landing for a couple months to grieve. And after that, everyone decides this whole King of the Seven Kingdoms is over rated anyways.
edit: The one part I will say was acceptable was Dany diving in from behind the sun to make her approach and then staying in close so they couldn’t get a good shot off on her. That part was ok and seemed to make sense if we assume the bolt thrower was a real thing with limitations.
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One guy I want to give a shoutout to last episode is the unnamed northman who followed Jon to King's Landing out of love for his king (warden?) after fighting the army of the dead only to then try to rape a woman and ignore said king/warden when they tried to stop them.
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On May 14 2019 01:54 Logo wrote:
One guy I want to give a shoutout to last episode is the unnamed northman who followed Jon to King's Landing out of love for his king (warden?) after fighting the army of the dead only to then try to rape a woman and ignore said king/warden when they tried to stop them.
Was that a northener? He looked like a Vale knight to me.
I also thought it felt very off and was just put in to make Jon look like a good guy. That said, it was a pretty realistic reaction when you take into account that they just killed the enemy army and are starting to pillage. Men turn into absolute animals at that point.
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On May 14 2019 01:42 DwD wrote:I have so low expectations from this show now that I voted Arya to kill Dany last ep. She saw the burned bodies and is mad AF. Also I thought Dany wanted to sit on the Iron Throne Pretty sure she just burned the whole fucking castle down in a random fit of rage when she had already won the battle lol. Saw this on reddit, pretty much sums up this episode lmao sorry if posted didnt see it!
holy shit this is genius
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On May 14 2019 02:11 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2019 01:54 Logo wrote:
One guy I want to give a shoutout to last episode is the unnamed northman who followed Jon to King's Landing out of love for his king (warden?) after fighting the army of the dead only to then try to rape a woman and ignore said king/warden when they tried to stop them. Was that a northener? He looked like a Vale knight to me. I also thought it felt very off and was just put in to make Jon look like a good guy. That said, it was a pretty realistic reaction when you take into account that they just killed the enemy army and are starting to pillage. Men turn into absolute animals at that point.
Yeah I was fine with the man's actions, it's just funny that he'd ignore the obvious nobleman/Jon/king. Though if he's from the Vale that would make more sense.
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Pretty much this
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/GK1oJKo.jpg)
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One thing missing from patch notes - arya's teleport ability cooldown increased by 500%. this was too OP, as she was able to easily get past zombies and destroy the NK final boss too easily. to compensate, new ability given to her - summon shadowfax. can be used once per day.
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You know, I used to avoid spoilers religiously for this show. Now I'm just scrolling all the threads even though I haven't seen the episode yet. I just don't really care anymore. They had two years to close this, ffs.
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On May 14 2019 02:42 fishjie wrote:
One thing missing from patch notes - arya's teleport ability cooldown increased by 500%. this was too OP, as she was able to easily get past zombies and destroy the NK final boss too easily. to compensate, new ability given to her - summon shadowfax. can be used once per day.
Also The Mountain's facecrushing ability got nerfed alot
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On May 14 2019 02:32 FreakyDroid wrote:Pretty much this
It is, but also George did this to himself by not finishing those books in what seems to me to be a totally reasonable amount of time.
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On May 14 2019 03:24 Plansix wrote:It is, but also George did this to himself by not finishing those books in what seems to me to be a totally reasonable amount of time.
Why is this about GRRM? Yeah one would think that there was enough time to finish the series or at least one more book, but that's not all that relevant. D&D had the job to create the show, they are both writers, they had the full support of HBO to make the ending satisfying, extra seasons would have been possible or just longer seasons and thus 20 instead of 13 episodes. One can cry about Martin not being able to finish the series, but for the show the bigger problem was the people actually in charge of the show.
One can only speculate what happened, but knowing that they got a new show on HBO in "confederate" and disney wants them to have their own SW trilogy, it isn't that far fetched to say that other projects were more exciting.
Maybe a similar reason to GRRM and the sideprojects he did, the difference is that D&D have to finish GoT with a hard timeline (each season) while GRRM can take his time.
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On May 14 2019 03:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2019 03:24 Plansix wrote:On May 14 2019 02:32 FreakyDroid wrote:Pretty much this It is, but also George did this to himself by not finishing those books in what seems to me to be a totally reasonable amount of time. Why is this about GRRM? Yeah one would think that there was enough time to finish the series or at least one more book, but that's not all that relevant. D&D had the job to create the show, they are both writers, they had the full support of HBO to make the ending satisfying, extra seasons would have been possible or just longer seasons and thus 20 instead of 13 episodes. One can cry about Martin not being able to finish the series, but for the show the bigger problem was the people actually in charge of the show. One can only speculate what happened, but knowing that they got a new show on HBO in "confederate" and disney wants them to have their own SW trilogy, it isn't that far fetched to say that other projects were more exciting. Maybe a similar reason to GRRM and the sideprojects he did, the difference is that D&D have to finish GoT with a hard timeline (each season) while GRRM can take his time.
Pretty sure my comment suggested that it was both. That GRRM’s plot driven purely by character motivations ended when the book material ended. Now, we can blame the show runners for not keeping up with that quality of characters and writing. But they also didn’t have the +15 years to create those complex character motivations and actions that GRRM had.
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On May 14 2019 03:24 Plansix wrote:It is, but also George did this to himself by not finishing those books in what seems to me to be a totally reasonable amount of time.
I can understand the argument, but cant say I agree with it. Mostly because George wanted 5 more seasons after the book material ended and so did HBO. DD refused that and wanted to move on. If anything, it looks like DD wanted to capitalize on their fame GoT brought them to get a more lucrative deal with Disney. I realize im tin foiling with that statement, but it certainly looks that way from the outside.
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On May 14 2019 03:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2019 03:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 14 2019 03:24 Plansix wrote:On May 14 2019 02:32 FreakyDroid wrote:Pretty much this It is, but also George did this to himself by not finishing those books in what seems to me to be a totally reasonable amount of time. Why is this about GRRM? Yeah one would think that there was enough time to finish the series or at least one more book, but that's not all that relevant. D&D had the job to create the show, they are both writers, they had the full support of HBO to make the ending satisfying, extra seasons would have been possible or just longer seasons and thus 20 instead of 13 episodes. One can cry about Martin not being able to finish the series, but for the show the bigger problem was the people actually in charge of the show. One can only speculate what happened, but knowing that they got a new show on HBO in "confederate" and disney wants them to have their own SW trilogy, it isn't that far fetched to say that other projects were more exciting. Maybe a similar reason to GRRM and the sideprojects he did, the difference is that D&D have to finish GoT with a hard timeline (each season) while GRRM can take his time. Pretty sure my comment suggested that it was both. That GRRM’s plot driven purely by character motivations ended when the book material ended. Now, we can blame the show runners for not keeping up with that quality of characters and writing. But they also didn’t have the +15 years to create those complex character motivations and actions that GRRM had.
You don't need 15 years to create a satisfying ending to a story. They met with martin and got information on his idea of the ending, one can only speculate how much they got, etc, but iirc they met with him over multiple days, that would suggest there was a good amount.
But neglecting that, these two are still writers, it is their job to create satisfying stories and scripts. They didn't have the job to finish the books which is way more complex due to a lot of reasons, they had to finish the show.
Now one can argue about the level of satisfaction, but there are a ton of really sloppy things in this conclusion, knowing that they could have had 20 episodes or even more seasons, knowing that they have other projects on the horizon, nope this wasn't a problem of being potentially able to write something better, this was doing the bare minimum and (probably) already prioritising their own show and movie trilogy.
One can say negative things about D&D all one wants, but nope this lvl of writing isn't out of incompetence, they did a great job adapting the show (and as anyone should know, a great source material doesn't automatically mean that the adaption will be any good), they had their own strong material in these seasons even (where one could have maybe argued about details, but that's another issue). Benioff apparently wrote critically acclaimed novels (i actually got city of thieves now to check out his own material). They for sure had the potential to do it justice.
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Ive read that Martin actually finished the books and his agreement with the show runners was not to publish them before the show ends. The actor playing Barristan leaked that in an interview. Sounds very very unlikely obviously but damn now that would be subverted expectations. That has been blowing up on the news today.
If that was the case though i dont see why he wouldnt have cooperated more with the showrunners on developing the showplot and making it stick the landing.
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On May 14 2019 04:28 Warri wrote:
Ive read that Martin actually finished the books and his agreement with the show runners was not to publish them before the show ends. The actor playing Barristan leaked that in an interview. Sounds very very unlikely obviously but damn now that would be subverted expectations. That has been blowing up on the news today.
If that was the case though i dont see why he wouldnt have cooperated more with the showrunners on developing the showplot and making it stick the landing.
It seems unlikely given the reason you just stated, along with the issue that if they had all this planned out it would be really hard to keep it all secret (publishers, printers, etc, would all need to know).
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GRRM was recently interviewed and said he didn’t know if he would finish the series. So I’m not sure that is true or the actor’s information might be bad. Also, in the world of book writing there is a huge difference between “written” and “finished”. Written can mean that a draft exists.
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Yeah there is no way this is true, has to be some misunderstanding. Martin talked about this theory before as well and said it is nonsense, whenever he is done he will make a blogpost about it, hopefully sooner rather than later.
In the offchance of it being true (approaching the 0% very closely though), hell yes give it to me NOW.
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