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Northern Ireland26005 Posts
GoT has serious pacing problems these days, which inevitably lead to the problems in tone.
There’s too much to cram in and resolve as it is
It appears my predictions to my friends who watch are pretty off-base. I wasn’t as enthusiastic as I felt the inevitable good call evil showdown could still be satisfying to end the thing, but they’d have to sacrifice some of the intrigue to do that and make it work.
From where I’m sitting they’re not really trimming enough, they’re trying to have their cake and eat it and it’s falling flat.
There are definitely threads of interest, but they’re appearing and being resolved way too quickly
I often feel most of even my favourite shows drag on too long, GoT feels the or I actively would want more of. Not because I am a quantity over quality guy, but because I think the quality is suffering trying to finish up.
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Well for those curious Episode 2 leaked online.
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On April 22 2019 06:06 blade55555 wrote:
Well for those curious Episode 2 leaked online.
Quite early too, so tough to avoid spoilers 
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On April 22 2019 09:01 rotta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2019 06:06 blade55555 wrote:
Well for those curious Episode 2 leaked online. Quite early too, so tough to avoid spoilers
Didn't HBO crack down hard after the first few seasons of shenanigans and decided not to give reviewers advanced copies?
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United States43203 Posts
Yes, Amazon video had it on their servers ready for tonight and the autoplay next episode script worked as a backdoor that loaded the next episode. People watched S08E01 and suddenly E02 queued up.
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Wow I remained awake until 4 am for a very disappointing episode, like in the ep1 so few happened :/
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+ Show Spoiler +It was pretty much a repeat of the first episode, and not in a good way. Didn't really enjoy the dialogue, which was stilted and wooden, and the same jokes repeated over again. At least it's just four episodes of fighting and deaths after this, though I don't expect the writing to get any better. Few scenes I liked, such as the Night's Watch getting together and Brienne's knighting. I'd have preferred if they took the best scenes from episodes 1 and 2 and combined them.
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On April 22 2019 11:00 stilt wrote:
Wow I remained awake until 4 am for a very disappointing episode, like in the ep1 so few happened :/
One of my favourite episode personally great setup episode and a lot less of the corny fan service, especially the back half of the episode was great, only Thormound was annoying as hell.
The tone was right to me, and it help that it had a lot of the great actor (Aria, Jaime, Tyrion, Davos...) on the forefront. The Sansa-Dany scene was surprisingly good.
And we had a lot less Dany-John scene cause those two just don't fit together for me.
(I guess I can understand why certain person would be bother by the fact that nothing really happen, I would have love for the first episode to be a mix of this one and the first one but with this style of writing)
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On April 22 2019 11:01 FFGenerations wrote:are you joking we saw + Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +Nice one ^^ but we already had a cringy (but somehow nice) relationship with brienne/jaime tho...
On April 22 2019 11:08 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2019 11:00 stilt wrote:
Wow I remained awake until 4 am for a very disappointing episode, like in the ep1 so few happened :/ One of my favourite episode personally great setup episode and a lot less of the corny fan service, especially the back half of the episode was great, only Thormound was annoying as hell. The tone was right to me, and it help that it had a lot of the great actor (Aria, Jaime, Tyrion, Davos...) on the forefront. The Sansa-Dany scene was surprisingly good. And we had a lot less Dany-John scene cause those two just don't fit together for me.
Funnily enough, it's the exact contrary for me, I was okay with the first part but the second was lacking, we saw too much of this kind of build up and Tormund made me chucke haha. As for fan service, since season 7, it's all over the place, the writing is not as good...
Anyway, good night !
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Did anyone else find that + Show Spoiler +Ghost scene super weird? Nobody in the scene referred to him or mentioned his presence. Was he just edited in in post after they realized "oh crap we forgot him" or a scene with him got cut?
Other than that really taking me out of it, the episode was mostly fine, though there was a bit too much foreshadowing (or misdirection) when it comes to + Show Spoiler +the crypts. I mean, seriously, an army of the dead is attacking with the power to raise more dead and you put your women and children in an area surrounded by the dead? Spooky scary skellingtons indeed.
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Tormund is my absolute fucking favorite
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On April 22 2019 11:01 FFGenerations wrote:are you joking we saw + Show Spoiler +
That was the craziest part of the episode for me considering I've recently been watching the whole series again these past few weeks to send this show off. Feels very strange watching little Arya in season 1 then jumping to this ep >_>
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Anyway, another boring ep. With all this buildup the next episode better be a bloodbath to compensate. It's not even like I suddenly hate all the characters or anything, but I'm on Team Night King now. I said this last ep, but the stakes just feel lower than in past seasons when they should be higher than ever, in part because you just aren't as afraid for these characters anymore. We've gotten just about every fanservice moment and reunion out of the way now, so to preserve the identity of GoT in being a very grey show it's only natural that the other side of the coin manifests itself in a great tragedy....just leave Tormund and Brienne alone, that ship has been the best thing from s7 onward.
Really hoping it's not the predictable scenario where Bran somehow sacrifices himself to deus ex machina spirit bomb the Night King at the eleventh hour in Winterfell.
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I liked this week's episode much more than the last week's. The dialogue and interactions felt much better, and there were a lot of character arcs finishing up which makes me apprehensive about all those possible death flags popping up. The first two episodes may have been slow, but I think they were necessary respite before the plot accelerates to a full closure in the next 4 episodes, with a high body count along the way.
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On April 22 2019 12:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:That was the craziest part of the episode for me considering I've recently been watching the whole series again these past few weeks to send this show off. Feels very strange watching little Arya in season 1 then jumping to this ep >_> == Anyway, another boring ep. With all this buildup the next episode better be a bloodbath to compensate. It's not even like I suddenly hate all the characters or anything, but I'm on Team Night King now. I said this last ep, but the stakes just feel lower than in past seasons when they should be higher than ever, in part because you just aren't as afraid for these characters anymore. We've gotten just about every fanservice moment and reunion out of the way now, so to preserve the identity of GoT in being a very grey show it's only natural that the other side of the coin manifests itself in a great tragedy....just leave Tormund and Brienne alone, that ship has been the best thing from s7 onward.
Really hoping it's not the predictable scenario where Bran somehow sacrifices himself to deus ex machina spirit bomb the Night King at the eleventh hour in Winterfell.
I think that's what they're setting up at this point. After elaborating what the night king wants, how bran is 'human history' personified and why the night king seeks him out. They will sacrifice their history to secure their future.
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I think there's a chance that the next episode ends with a small chunk of survivors, possibly even still including Brann, evacuating on the two dragons with Dany/Jon; they set up quite clearly there is no escape or retreat here for the armies, so everyone else would die. The only other alternative is lots of people die and they win, and then there's three episodes of ???'ing their way to defeating Cersei and co, but that seems kind of...meh.
At least one of Jamie/Tyrion is making it out alive, though, given that Bronn scene in episode 1.
Unless they go full crazy and do something like Arya stealing the Night King's face which would make me die of laughter.
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Episode 2 was what episode 1 should have been. Building up for the season ahead while reconnecting with all the characters that we knew. Heck even Ghost appeared for a second. That Arya scene was unexpected but at least their houses were joined.
Now for the deaths to happen in episode 3. Grey Worm/Missandei and Tormund seems the greatest to me
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Death list for ep 3 if I had to guess:
Greyworm (I'd bet money on this one)
Jorah
Gendry
Davos
Theon
Beric
Brienne is on the borderline. She was finally knighted after all...
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Anyone who had proper heart-felt scenes in ep2 is on the chopping block for the next ep.
Greyworm is easily on the top: "no more war after this, lets live happy life" Bruh you just fucking killed yourself.
Tormund will prolly go out in spectacular "viking" fashion. Prolly taking down a undead giant or something.
Briene?? I really dont know. Killing her would seem very wrong, even by GoT standards. I dont think the show would survive the audience backlash 
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