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On August 22 2017 03:22 Sent. wrote:
I just imagined Jaime killing Cersei after she tells him to burn Dany (after they somehow capture her) and everyone else, similarly to what the Mad King told him to do before getting killed. It would be hilariously bad.
Don't agree it would be bad, if done right it probably would be the most intense scene in the show.
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On August 22 2017 03:24 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 03:22 Sent. wrote:
I just imagined Jaime killing Cersei after she tells him to burn Dany (after they somehow capture her) and everyone else, similarly to what the Mad King told him to do before getting killed. It would be hilariously bad. Don't agree it would be bad, if done right it probably would be the most intense scene in the show.
That would be an interesting scene and has the potential to be the heaviest of the show. But, with how the show has been going lately, we all know that the writers' execution is gonna be way off mark.
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If we are going for full character development, Jamie kills Cerci when she makes a play to kill Dany and risk beating the nightking without her. Basically putting everyone at risk for power and letting lots of people die.
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On August 22 2017 03:24 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 03:22 Sent. wrote:
I just imagined Jaime killing Cersei after she tells him to burn Dany (after they somehow capture her) and everyone else, similarly to what the Mad King told him to do before getting killed. It would be hilariously bad. Don't agree it would be bad, if done right it probably would be the most intense scene in the show.
I think it would be bad because Cersei is similar to the Mad King only at first glance. The guy was literally mad, killed people for fun and wasn't rational at all. Cersei is just a terrible person, and the things she does are somewhat rational. She's also Jaime's sister and lover, while Aegon was his rightful king (when he still believed in such concepts), so the relationship between Jaime and his victim would be totally different. Jaime wouldn't be picking between protecting the king and protecting the people like he vowed to, he would be picking between his love and justice. My point is that it's okay to mention the similarities between Cersei and the Mad King, but making their deaths the same would be way over the top.
I think it would be hilariously bad because I don't trust the "holywood writers" to deliver such scenario without making it somehow silly.
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On August 22 2017 03:49 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 03:24 Pontual wrote:On August 22 2017 03:22 Sent. wrote:
I just imagined Jaime killing Cersei after she tells him to burn Dany (after they somehow capture her) and everyone else, similarly to what the Mad King told him to do before getting killed. It would be hilariously bad. Don't agree it would be bad, if done right it probably would be the most intense scene in the show. I think it would be bad because Cersei is similar to the Mad King only at first glance. The guy was literally mad, killed people for fun and wasn't rational at all. Cersei is just a terrible person, and the things she does are somewhat rational. She's also Jaime's sister and lover, while Aegon was his rightful king (when he still believed in such concepts), so the relationship between Jaime and his victim would be totally different. Jaime wouldn't be picking between protecting the king and protecting the people like he vowed to, he would be picking between his love and justice. My point is that it's okay to mention the similarities between Cersei and the Mad King, but making their deaths the same would be way over the top. I think it would be hilariously bad because I don't trust the "holywood writers" to deliver such scenario without making it somehow silly.
Well Jaime got a death threat by his lover this season, i would call this madness. Also, catching daenerys, risking doom to westeros, would be a move that only someone that's mad would do. If you think Jaime isn't afraid of what he might see Cersei become you should watch the moment he sees she being crowned after their son killed himself. I'm not saying Cersei is like Aegon, but she is a threat to humanity, wich is worse than Aegon ever came close to being.
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damn those supersonic ravens
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Germany1961 Posts
If you want to know how they create the script, listen to them talk in those behind the wall segments: D talking about thescene where Vyserion is revived:"that seemed like it was an inherently crowdpleasing oh shit moment!" That's all there is left.
What would be the biggest oh shit moment about Cersei and Dany and Jaime and Tyrion?
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Ok it had some very nice parts but what the hell was going on with Jon? How could he possibly stay under freezing water that long? Long enough for the dead to start moving away? How? And to top it off completely randomly in walks Benjen who gets Jon on a horse out of nowhere through the army of the dead and then just dies. The horse could've easily carried both at the start. Deus ex machina much?
The whole thing could've been avoided by just having Jon make it to Drogon. Have him use Longclaw to deflect the second spear or something.
The speed of those ravens and dragons are also truly magical. There is no sense in the dragons even remotely making it in time.
+ Show Spoiler +Still, a dragon got raised. Damn.
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On the topic of horse, that was the most ridicules part of that episode. Even I was like “Dude, you can’t ride a horse in terrain like that. The thing will straight up trip and die. They are not mountain goats. Also they are plains animals, why do you have them in the frozen northland?” And then Ben was like “There is no time,” right before he sends Jon off to die when that horse falls over on the ice pond.
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About benjen scene, I think the horse would be slowed down if it was to carry 2 big men in it. Benjen did his part in the show, showed his face to quickly make Jon realise he is his uncle and he was willing to sacrifice himslef, and save as much time as possible. Also benjen started diving into the undead force to make time for Jon. Even if he drawed back the undead for 10~15 seconds, it's already a good distance so they can't outrun the horse.
It was quick, it was weird, perhaps benjen could've got there earlier, but if he was to save jon it couldn't last more than a moment. Also perhaps Bran warned both uncle Benjen and Daenerys, and only next episode this plot hole will be covered by Dany.
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Well that was probably the worst episode since season 2
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On August 22 2017 04:03 Erasme wrote:
damn those supersonic ravens
There's a reddit thread about that:
Let's do the Math on how long it would take a Raven to get to Dragonstone
It would take 4 days for Dany to get there, which is not that far off..
On August 22 2017 04:51 Nebuchad wrote:
Well that was probably the worst episode since season 2
Dragons, the Night King, Tormund's banter with the Hound made it actually a quite enjoyable episode.
Don't know why people hate on this season so much. If you have high expectations you're gonna end up disappointed no matter what..
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My math said three, since dragons go faster than horses and horses are faster than ravens. But it is a few days.
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On August 22 2017 04:51 thePunGun wrote:
Don't know why people hate on this season so much. If you have high expectations you're gonna end up disappointed no matter what..
I loved this season so far... Episode 4 was fucking awesome
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I really liked the episode, my girlfriend...not so much! She was complaining the entire episode:
..."What's the Night King waiting for?"...."Why isn't he just simply attacking the wall?!"....
"....Geeezus he's waiting for the long night...obviously...there's a whole freakin' prophecy, god dammit pay attention woman!"
Yeeah, a word of advice...if your significant other wants to complain and you're getting annoyed....don't respond like I did, it's just not worth it!! 
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Germany1961 Posts
Horses are not faster then Ravens. If you got a rider on the horse and you beat them until they basically die, they will be in ~ 100 of your miles. You can't gallop for more then a certain time.
The problem with the Benjen scene is not that he sacrificed himself to get Jon away, the problem is that it had to happen in the first place. There was simply no reason for Jon to not get on that dragon except if you want to have him to get body slammed into the lake by two skeletons that usually try to hack and bite and claw. Then have him drown long enough so that Dany leaves, than have him not drown long enough to drown, then have him get out of the water and not die of hypothermia, have him find his sword and have the undead not immediately reengage him. And if all that happened, Benjen coming in to sacrifice himself is definately a necessesity and if i where Benjen i'd do the same!
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On August 21 2017 19:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I'm at a state where I've given up and just accepted the story to not make great sense anymore so now I'm just enjoying the spectacle. The plan was dumb to begin with, ravens are emails now, Jon carried his emergency GPS locater on which Drogon homed in, and Jon needed not 1 but 2 unbelievable saves in one episode xD
So this was a great episode with the banter and dragons vs zombies. The dragon dying was so well made, with the blood pouring out and all. And frost wyrms coming holy shit. The hound being so bored he throws rocks at a skeleton. It was all great. Zombie bears!!? 10/10
I think Emilia Clarke was amazing this episode. Bran better not cockblock Jon with family information before they go at it
One thing I wonder, nobody bats an eye when the brotherhood bros turn their swords on fire. What is the accepted way that they do this? Just holy firegod magic?
Probably oiled sword + spark glove
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I thought the legend of the fire swords was well known? Jorah talks about seeing in battle before.
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I don't think anybody knows how big Westeros should be at this point. And the writers don't care at all. Book Westeros is supposed to be roughly the size of South America. However, Martin has said that he would've made a lot of dimensions smaller if he knew then what he knows now. This is especially true with regards to how tall and long the wall is but the rest of the continent would follow if he made the wall shorter.
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Norway28789 Posts
benjen coming at the right moment is actually fair enough. It's been established that bran can contact him.
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