EPTThe only thing i enjoyed this episode was the small talk between Hound and Tormund. 'Till next week..
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Grettin
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The only thing i enjoyed this episode was the small talk between Hound and Tormund. 'Till next week.. | ||
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Plansix
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KwarK
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On August 22 2017 00:40 Dante08 wrote: This episode the White Walkers be like 3 dragons? Meh, hand me my ice stick --> proceeds to launch a torpedo hundreds of metres into the air with minimal backswing and destroying it with 1 shot. In fairness they are magical. And ice can be strong. Glaciers move mountains. | ||
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Plansix
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thePunGun
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On August 22 2017 00:51 KwarK wrote: In fairness they are magical. And ice can be strong. Glaciers move mountains. Actually gravity moves glaciers by turning them into a solid river, the mountains don't move at all. But I guess one could argue that these popsicles are absolute zero (temperature wise 0 Kelvin). It is basically unbreakable ice and thrown with a decent amount of force will probably rip through anything, that's not absolute 0. | ||
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KwarK
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On August 22 2017 00:55 Plansix wrote: Those are the same spear things that explode swords on contact. We’ve known for seasons that they were filled with weird ice magic. Although you'd think dragons would share the same immunity as Valyrian swords and dragonglass. Based upon what we previously knew the only thing that could resist WW magic was Valyrian stuff and dragon stuff. It would logically follow that dragons would be the ultimate immunity from WW magic, rather than having WW magic be their Achilles heel. Whatever though. | ||
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KwarK
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On August 22 2017 00:58 thePunGun wrote: Actually gravity moves glaciers by turning them into a solid river, the mountains don't move at all. But I guess one could argue that these popsicles are absolute zero (temperature wise 0 Kelvin). It is basically unbreakable ice and thrown with a decent amount of force will probably rip through anything, that's not absolute 0. Not really a fair criticism, I never suggested that the glaciers generate the force themselves through some kind of energy creation from nothing. If I'd said "meteorites can be pretty strong" in reference to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs would you have insisted that the energy that gave it momentum was actually from gravity? Obviously it was, but we all know that. | ||
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andrewlt
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On August 22 2017 00:09 TheTenthDoc wrote: The wight capturing plan surely cannot happen in book form. It's just too absurd and borderline nonsensical. I don't think even Martin knows how to create and resolve future plot lines in his book in a sensible way. He just gave the writers a bullet list of points about the ending and they are trying to get there in a Hollywood way. Wight capturing plan wouldn't be out of place in a regular, non-GoT series. | ||
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Plansix
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On August 22 2017 01:01 KwarK wrote: Although you'd think dragons would share the same immunity as Valyrian swords and dragonglass. Based upon what we previously knew the only thing that could resist WW magic was Valyrian stuff and dragon stuff. It would logically follow that dragons would be the ultimate immunity from WW magic, rather than having WW magic be their Achilles heel. Whatever though. Assuming both sides were at war, I would assume they both developed weapons that would be effective against each other. One side had dragons, the WW makes spears that can hurt them and shatter swords. The first men figure out how to make steel that won’t shatter and can kill white walkers. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 22 2017 01:05 andrewlt wrote: I don't think even Martin knows how to create and resolve future plot lines in his book in a sensible way. He just gave the writers a bullet list of points about the ending and they are trying to get there in a Hollywood way. Wight capturing plan wouldn't be out of place in a regular, non-GoT series. I can live with them trying to catch a wight, i don't even think getting "proof" is bad by any means. But then at least give us some actual plan and not a few people going north and hoping they will be lucky. That's ridiculous. | ||
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Plansix
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Also these fire swords look badass. | ||
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KwarK
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1) Cersei has fuck all to offer you. She controls literally just King's Landing. Exactly 0 of the 7 kingdoms. 2) Cersei don't give a fuck about the north, the south, or anyone but herself. 3) Cersei is always going to turn on you. 4) Cersei isn't going to allow of her soldiers to die fighting the dead when she can have your soldiers die instead because she's always going to be thinking of her inevitable fight with you. 5) Cersei is absolutely going to murder any of your dragons she can given any opportunity. You literally can't let her army or people be near any of your shit. 6) To Cersei the army of the dead is probably less scary than the army of the Dothraki + Unsullied + 3 dragons. To her the dead aren't the ultimate enemy to be dealt with first before she fights Dany, Dany is the ultimate enemy. 7) Even if the army of the dead is more scary, the army of Dany is already here. 8) There's still a giant fucking wall, a wildling army, a north filled with her enemies, a riverlands filled with her enemies, and a vale filled with her enemies, between the army of the dead and her. Cersei don't give a fuck about them. 9) You can literally just go kill her whenever and then take her army if you want it. Dragons give an innate deep deployment perk that allows armies to be bypassed. 10) There is no possibility that Dany, through Tyrion, doesn't know literally all of the above. If they'd had Dany be all unbelieving and Jon went to get a wight for her I'd be fine with that. But Dany's a single mom and Jon was good with her kids so now she's wet for him and his curly hair. So who is the wight for? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 22 2017 01:17 Plansix wrote: The plan they had seemed reasonable giving the time constraints that the characters are under. Bran told them that the army is marching that part of the wall. Considering they have seen the Nightking just raise his arms and raise up hundreds of undead, I bet they didn’t want to risk him getting to the wall itself. Because that is when the snowball army begins. So a desperate bad plan is sort of all they had. It's no plan at all though besides "we go north and catch a wight". Well how do you plan on doing so. That's kinda important and there was simply nothing. Everything you said is right, but that doesn't mean that you can simply be "well we will figure something out on the fly", that's just ridiculous. Some form of idea should be there to even attempt it. The writers gave us nothing though, they literally found that little wight group where one stays "alive" to resolve it. So what if that wouldn't have happened. On August 22 2017 01:22 KwarK wrote: I'm fine with having to prove to Dany that the threat is real, it's the proving to Cersei bit that bugs the hell out of me. You don't need to prove shit to Cersei for a few reasons. 1) Cersei has fuck all to offer you. She controls literally just King's Landing. Exactly 0 of the 7 kingdoms. 2) Cersei don't give a fuck about the north, the south, or anyone but herself. 3) Cersei is always going to turn on you. 4) Cersei isn't going to allow of her soldiers to die fighting the dead when she can have your soldiers die instead because she's always going to be thinking of her inevitable fight with you. 5) Cersei is absolutely going to murder any of your dragons she can given any opportunity. You literally can't let her army or people be near any of your shit. 6) To Cersei the army of the dead is probably less scary than the army of the Dothraki + Unsullied + 3 dragons. To her the dead aren't the ultimate enemy to be dealt with first before she fights Dany, Dany is the ultimate enemy. 7) Even if the army of the dead is more scary, the army of Dany is already here. 8) There's still a giant fucking wall, a wildling army, a north filled with her enemies, a riverlands filled with her enemies, and a vale filled with her enemies, between the army of the dead and her. Cersei don't give a fuck about them. 9) You can literally just go kill her whenever and then take her army if you want it. Dragons give an innate deep deployment perk that allows armies to be bypassed. 10) There is no possibility that Dany, through Tyrion, doesn't know literally all of the above. If they'd had Dany be all unbelieving and Jon went to get a wight for her I'd be fine with that. But Dany's a single mom and Jon was good with her kids so now she's wet for him and his curly hair. So who is the wight for? I mean proving it to all the lords of westeros pretty much, no? They need all the men they can get, Cersei is one factor but there are more. | ||
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Odoakar
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First of all, they are incapable of writing smart characters and good and clever dialogue. How do you reason having Dany say „oh you've been thinking a lot about me dying? Maybe you want me dead? You are working with your family!“. Like that the fuck are you on bitch... Also, how do you explain Arya being dumb as a doorknob. D&D are writing her as if she never saw Joffrey and Cersei, like she is incapable of making a logical deduction and concluding that they did in fact force Sansa to write that. Also, the undead sitting around our heroes and waiting there for 1 full day only to attack after someone provoked them with a stone? What is that about? We know they can survive under water. How bad can the writting go if you have to have your villans sit for no reason just enough for Dany to come to rescue? Or are we supposed to believe the Night King knows about the Dragons, about Dany and Jon and is baiting the dragons? Sansa talking about having Brienne protect her and then sending her to KL? Is she sending here there so Arya doesn't have protection? But that doesn't make sense, Sansa needs her protection more than Arya, since she saw Arya can fight for herself. And are we to accept that NK can take out one dragon just like that, with a spear throw? So what are even discussing about, taking out 2 other dragons will be piece of cake for him. All in all, I'm so dissapointed in this episode, probably the worst so far. The 'brilliant' plan of going north to get the undead costed them one dragon, Thoros and Benjen. In return they will get to see Cersei laughing at them when they show her their undead – she will probably tell them she already has one. Even if she joins them, what's she going to do against such a treath that can kill a dragon in one spear throw? Fuck him until he dies again? Send Gregor on them? | ||
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Plansix
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thePunGun
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Piledriver
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On August 22 2017 01:17 Plansix wrote: The plan they had seemed reasonable giving the time constraints that the characters are under. Bran told them that the army is marching that part of the wall. Considering they have seen the Nightking just raise his arms and raise up hundreds of undead, I bet they didn’t want to risk him getting to the wall itself. Because that is when the snowball army begins. So a desperate bad plan is sort of all they had. All they needed was horses, and then MAYBE, the plan was reasonable. Otherwise they're just a bunch of dumbasses walking to their sure deaths. Seriously, horses would have increased their probability of success by a significant amount, and perhaps even allowed them to carry food and supplies for a few days, and allowed them to outrun the wights after snagging one. Its clear that horses survive in the North as shown from S1E1 where the Night's watch is on horse patrol, as well Coldhands/Benjen riding a live horse. Gendry could have gone to Eastwatch in a third of the time with a horse. I could go on, but seriously, horses would have removed atleast 75% of the plot holes in this episode and made it believable. But then we wouldn't have the entire Deus Ex Machina of Dany and Dragons arriving in the nick of time to save them, and handing over a dragon to the NK in the process. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 22 2017 01:27 Plansix wrote: I thought the plan seemed reasonable. Fight undead, kill all of them but one. Take it home in a sack. Its like kidnapping, but for the undead. That is a "reasonable plan" if you assume that there will be a small group you can handle with the few men. I don't see why anyone would assume that though. Jon only saw hordes of wights each time. I have no idea what a "good plan" would look like here, but they gave us nothing at all. | ||
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Odoakar
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On August 21 2017 23:36 OtherWorld wrote: Considering the uselessness of the Missandei/Grey Worm scene of a few weeks ago, I don't think they'll resist to give a us a long and useless Jon/Dany scene, though You're not going to see E.Clark naked again so don't expect that sex scene to be too much revealing. | ||
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