On August 22 2017 06:09 fishjie wrote: The teleportation got even WORSE in this episode. how is dany supposed to ride a dragon that fast without falling off or freezing to death or running out of oxygen? nah uh. no way.
All other very serious concerns aside, I can't see freezing or running out of oxygen being an issue. There's no reason to fly so high up that the oxygen concentration becomes a problem, and a flying dragon would easily produce enough metabolic heat to keep a rider comfortable even if the air temperature is well below zero.
“We were aware that timing was getting a little hazy,” Taylor told Variety. “We’ve got Gendry running back, ravens flying a certain distance, dragons having to fly back a certain distance…In terms of the emotional experience, [Jon and company] sort of spent one dark night on the island in terms of storytelling moments. We tried to hedge it a little bit with the eternal twilight up there north of The Wall. I think there was some effort to fudge the timeline a little bit by not declaring exactly how long we were there. I think that worked for some people, for other people it didn’t. They seemed to be very concerned about how fast a raven can fly but there’s a thing called plausible impossibilities, which is what you try to achieve, rather than impossible plausibilities. So I think we were straining plausibility a little bit, but I hope the story’s momentum carries over some of that stuff.”
The fact that they don't consider their scenario to be an impossible plausibility says it all. It's over 2,000 miles from the wall to Dragonstone. Map of Westeros
If the trip was that quick for Dany, then flying north to see for herself should have been the first thing she did when Jon came to Dragonstone claiming there were undead coming and she didn't believe him.
I am guessing one of the reason they speed the travel that much is because of the new Lannister baby, they can't move foward too lowlly because of the pregnancy, the Winterfell plot is also hard to slow down to much.
On August 22 2017 07:02 LaNague wrote: werent dragons much more common in ages past but still the undead made everyone build a giant ass wall of ice to try to keep them in check....
So obviously dragons never were a solution to white walkers.
also it seems a simple ballista can stop a dragon as well, with a bit of time kings landing can have hidden ballistas all over the place, enough to make 2 dragons not want to come.
Dragons are an Essos thing. Dragons are from Valyria. The Valyrian empire never gave 2 shits about westeros. Dragonstone was just a barely used outpost. Dragons only came to Westeros after the fall of Valyria, with the only surviving family. An it was about 300 years ago. Legends of the White walkers is way older.
So apparently the night king can throw a spear with the speed and power in excess of a Ballista, probably making him the strongest being in existence in the world of westeros.
So much plot armor, but hey, the night king has a dragon now though.
Here's a question though, I know in WoW, frost wyrm's can fly even with skeletal wings, but with a shot that probably tore through all the chest muscles of the dragon(dead things don't heal), can the dragon still fly?
Admittedly when the dragon was killed, the fire bursting out of the chest was pretty cool.
I won't rehash the tons of plotholes that everyone already found, but I do have a question.
Why not just breathe fire on the white walkers and end it? Sure, maybe one dragon needed to put down some cover fire for the group of heroes, but the group should be shouting to attack the enemy leaders. Melt a few of them rather than the fodder and the fodder crumbles anyways. It's not like the fodder was in the way for the dragons to get through and the enemy leaders were mostly clumped up. Dany could have ended the war up north immediately while they still had the firepower of three dragons.
Also something I realized, with two dragons left, there is one for Dany (Drogon) and one for Jon (Rheagon) and Rhaegon is the dragon named after Jon's father. Is it likely we'll see him ride Rhaegon?
Guessing the cliffhanger for this season will be the undead Viserion melting the wall?
On August 22 2017 22:00 Acrofales wrote: So, this episode was Game of Thrones: Wrath of the Lich King?
Yes, but without all the character. White Walkers need goals or they are a boring villain.
Was a pretty big fail raid on Icecrown imho. Healer died to a fucking bear. Tank failed to draw aggro because "eek, scary fire", and on top of that, DPS didn't focus fire at all... and there weren't even multiple targets.
Then when their ride out finally arrives, their second tank goes full Leroy Jenkins. Wtf.
On August 22 2017 22:00 Plansix wrote: I wonder if they will fulfill the threat of six 2 hour episodes.
On August 22 2017 22:00 Acrofales wrote: So, this episode was Game of Thrones: Wrath of the Lich King?
Yes, but without all the character. White Walkers need goals or they are a boring villain.
Was a pretty big fail raid on Icecrown imho. Healer died to a fucking bear. Tank failed to draw aggro because "eek, scary fire", and on top of that, DPS didn't focus fire at all... and there weren't even multiple targets.
Then when their ride out finally arrives, their second tank goes full Leroy Jenkins. Wtf.
The key part is the failed raid solved the important plot problems:
People besides Jon see army of undead no one knows about.
Dragons can be killed by white walkers, tension restored
Now everyone is back south with this other A plot that needs to be handled 2000 miles away.
EPT
