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Deleted User 135096
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On August 22 2017 16:52 Thezzy wrote: Guessing the cliffhanger for this season will be the undead Viserion melting the wall? I'm so glad that someone else came to that conclusion as well. Night King as a dragon now and he be all like "Ice wall? Meet fire." oshit. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On August 22 2017 16:27 Amui wrote: So apparently the night king can throw a spear with the speed and power in excess of a Ballista, probably making him the strongest being in existence in the world of westeros. So much plot armor, but hey, the night king has a dragon now though. Here's a question though, I know in WoW, frost wyrm's can fly even with skeletal wings, but with a shot that probably tore through all the chest muscles of the dragon(dead things don't heal), can the dragon still fly? Admittedly when the dragon was killed, the fire bursting out of the chest was pretty cool. The Wights seem to be able to move while being skeletons (some don't have the ligaments necessary to swing any weapons with force, yet still do), so there's definitely some animating magic involved that grants things mobility above and beyond what their physical bodies allow after resurrection. On August 22 2017 22:00 Plansix wrote: I wonder if they will fulfill the threat of six 2 hour episodes. Yes, but without all the character. White Walkers need goals or they are a boring villain. Don't worry. With some of the show's recent direction we'll probably get a Hannibal Lecture from them laying bare all their motivations, either via Bran or directly from the man himself. I was half expecting Jon to be captured and lectured like the Night King was a Bond Villain this episode. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:19 TheTenthDoc wrote: The Wights seem to be able to move while being skeletons (some don't have the ligaments necessary to swing any weapons with force, yet still do), so there's definitely some animating magic involved that grants things mobility above and beyond what their physical bodies allow after resurrection. Wait, the white walkers are magic? The part where they grab swords and shatter them wasn’t pure physics? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:14 Plansix wrote: Dragons can be killed by white walkers, tension restored I actually disagree that tension is restored. Why? Because the way it was portrayed here made it seem incredibly trivial to kill the dragons. He threw a fucking spear and that's it. There wasn't much tension here in the first place. But sure at least we can be sure that dragons aren't the easy answer now, though it's basically the opposite now which is weird to say the least. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9296 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: I actually disagree that tension is restored. Why? Because the way it was portrayed here made it seem incredibly trivial to kill the dragons. He threw a fucking spear and that's it. There wasn't much tension here in the first place. But sure at least we can be sure that dragons aren't the easy answer now, though it's basically the opposite now which is weird to say the least. For us viewers, it was becoming just a matter of Dany joining in with her dragons and destroying everything easily, now the tension was restored, not for the characters, they were tense already, but for whoever is watching. That's what i interpreted at least. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:28 Sent. wrote: Why do people keep saying it was just a spear thrown with an incredible force??? Did we watch the same episode? People are weird. They even added a weird sound effect to the flying spear so you knew it was weird, ice wizard shit. On August 22 2017 22:31 Pontual wrote: For us viewers, it was becoming just a matter of Dany joining in with her dragons and destroying everything easily, now the tension was restored, not for the characters, they were tense already, but for whoever is watching. That's what i interpreted at least. Until now, all violence was a nail and the dragons were the best hammers. Now they are at just equal to the white walkers as a threat. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:28 Sent. wrote: Why do people keep saying it was just a spear thrown with an incredible force??? Did we watch the same episode? The point is that it was incredibly easy for him. It was even the first spear he throws. Right now one has to assume that dragons are basically a non threat to the white walkers. Which leads me to this: On August 22 2017 22:31 Pontual wrote: For us viewers, it was becoming just a matter of Dany joining in with her dragons and destroying everything easily, now the tension was restored, not for the characters, they were tense already, but for whoever is watching. That's what i interpreted at least. But there is no tension. First we maybe assumed that dragons will be the answer, now one (imo) has to assume that dragons are completely useless more or less. If you want to kill that fuckign dragon do it differently. How is there any tension if he only needs to throw these magic spears. "Oh will it hit or not". I mean right now he has a success rate of 50% On August 22 2017 22:32 Plansix wrote: Until now, all violence was a nail and the dragons were the best hammers. Now they are at just equal to the white walkers as a threat. How are they equal? The way it was portrayed the white walkers have the clear advantage | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:39 Plansix wrote: The white walkers can miss or the dragons can stay out of range. They are far from useless, they just need to be careful. Pretty sure if a dragon breaths on a white walker, it dies. That is pretty equal to me. How can you stay out of range when you need to breathe fire on it. Also that might actually not be true, the nightsking at least runs through (dragon)fire in this episode. The point still remains the same, there is barely any real tension because it is simply about him missing/hitting these spears. Incredibly lame solution to the problem. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:35 The_Red_Viper wrote: The point is that it was incredibly easy for him. It was even the first spear he throws. Right now one has to assume that dragons are basically a non threat to the white walkers. Which leads me to this: But there is no tension. First we maybe assumed that dragons will be the answer, now one (imo) has to assume that dragons are completely useless more or less. If you want to kill that fuckign dragon do it differently. How is there any tension if he only needs to throw these magic spears. "Oh will it hit or not". I mean right now he has a success rate of 50% How are they equal? The way it was portrayed the white walkers have the clear advantage Its not like dragons are suddenly completely useless. Now it becomes a game about if they come up with something that will prevent the dragons from being hit. If there is only 1 big fight that will decide everything and the outcome will be decided on if his spear throw was good enough I will be severely disappointed. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:44 The_Red_Viper wrote: How can you stay out of range when you need to breathe fire on it. Also that might actually not be true, the nightsking at least runs through (dragon)fire in this episode. The point still remains the same, there is barely any real tension because it is simply about him missing/hitting these spears. Incredibly lame solution to the problem. How do planes exist when we have surface to air missiles? How do we have tanks when anti tank missiles exist? How do sword fights have any tension if both sides only need to stab each other once? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Like what would have been way more interesting for example would be them creating a storm of some sorts, the dragon has to land for a moment and wights swarm it. Somethign along those lines. An actual battle. This is one of the more nitpicky points, but i think the execution of these scenes matters as well and not just the bullet point of having a dead dragon. On August 22 2017 22:50 Plansix wrote: How do planes exist when we have surface to air missiles? How do we have tanks when anti tank missiles exist? How do sword fights have any tension if both sides only need to stab each other once? If you want to make these magic spears work then don't let the very first hit the dragon and kill it. At least one other missed, but we still are at a 50% success rate. It's about the execution of scenes here. If every sword battle would end in 5 seconds because one would get the hit then there would be no tension either. That's kinda the point | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Yes it was important to have a dead dragon at some point, no i don't think the nightsking throwing magic spears was a good solution. It's too easy the way they portrayed it. But as i said, this really isn't the biggest problem with this episode. I still think it's worth mentioning, because now it got established like that. The future fights will need to find a way around magic spears killing dragons in a believable way | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
Also, from what they showed, only the Night King can shoot these air torpedos,doesn't shoot fast and sometimes misses. That means that 2 dragons can swarm him and do something... If he is vulnerable to anything. They showed so little of him(for 7 seasons...) that we don't really know his weakness. Probably even dragonglass and valyrian steel can't hurt him. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On August 22 2017 04:51 thePunGun wrote: There's a reddit thread about that: Let's do the Math on how long it would take a Raven to get to Dragonstone It would take 4 days for Dany to get there, which is not that far off.. Dragons, the Night King, Tormund's banter with the Hound made it actually a quite enjoyable episode. Don't know why people hate on this season so much. If you have high expectations you're gonna end up disappointed no matter what.. i just assumed it took less time than a normal human would be able to survive in those conditions without fire. which makes it pretty faaast | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Just because throwing a spear and killing a dragon is quick, it does not mean the whole situation is tense. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22308 Posts
On August 22 2017 12:03 Xarles wrote: “We were aware that timing was getting a little hazy,” Taylor told Variety. “We’ve got Gendry running back, ravens flying a certain distance, dragons having to fly back a certain distance…In terms of the emotional experience, [Jon and company] sort of spent one dark night on the island in terms of storytelling moments. We tried to hedge it a little bit with the eternal twilight up there north of The Wall. I think there was some effort to fudge the timeline a little bit by not declaring exactly how long we were there. I think that worked for some people, for other people it didn’t. They seemed to be very concerned about how fast a raven can fly but there’s a thing called plausible impossibilities, which is what you try to achieve, rather than impossible plausibilities. So I think we were straining plausibility a little bit, but I hope the story’s momentum carries over some of that stuff.” http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall-timeline-director-1202534403/ Meh, a good writer doesn't write himself into corners like that where he has to break reality to fix it. They could have put the 'fellowship' further north of the wall then a few hours running. Have them carry a raven or have a horse so 1 can ride back while the rest fights a desperate rearguard over several days as they are pursued so there is a believable timetable for Dany to be warned and travel north. Instead of... this | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
“If the show was struggling, I’d be worried about those concerns, but the show seems to be doing pretty well so it’s OK to have people with those concerns.” This part says it all anyway. It's selling, so why should they care? | ||
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