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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
August 22 2017 20:06 GMT
#33581
On August 23 2017 04:19 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 03:56 OminouS wrote:
I feel the quality of the show is still really high, but the whole season has been very predictable. I guess that's what happens when you move from the book source to a more "hollywood" approach.


The books weren't that good to begin with...

HAHAHAHAHA
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 22 2017 20:28 GMT
#33582
to each their own i guess - and everyones taste is different.

personally i would ve liked to have the books finished before all the tv shows and stuff started :3
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9842 Posts
August 22 2017 20:55 GMT
#33583
I can see why people who have read all the books and then switched to watching the show would be a little pissed with the direction it has taken. Its faster, for sure, but it isn't as logical and consequences no longer make much sense, which for me were two defining characteristics of the books.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 22 2017 20:59 GMT
#33584
You don't even need to read the books. The earlier seasons were way stronger in that regard as well, GoT as a show set the standard high. Now we are below TWD level. It's just sad.


I hope the last episode will be strong, it's the long one right?
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6870 Posts
August 22 2017 21:02 GMT
#33585
honestly i was convinced Something like this will happen,a tvshow like GoT with only 7 épisodes ?,and the next will be like 5 épisodes ? and honestly i dont understand why,a big tv show like this deserves more than a rush fest :/
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2017 21:06 GMT
#33586
On August 23 2017 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I can see why people who have read all the books and then switched to watching the show would be a little pissed with the direction it has taken. Its faster, for sure, but it isn't as logical and consequences no longer make much sense, which for me were two defining characteristics of the books.

I’ve made it pretty clear I was pissed at the books way back in 2005. A move toward the end of all of all of this is what I am looking for. And some pay off for the characters that we followed across 4 books.
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TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
August 22 2017 21:33 GMT
#33587
On August 23 2017 06:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I can see why people who have read all the books and then switched to watching the show would be a little pissed with the direction it has taken. Its faster, for sure, but it isn't as logical and consequences no longer make much sense, which for me were two defining characteristics of the books.

I’ve made it pretty clear I was pissed at the books way back in 2005. A move toward the end of all of all of this is what I am looking for. And some pay off for the characters that we followed across 4 books.

5*
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
August 22 2017 21:35 GMT
#33588
On August 23 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Richard Dormer MVP:

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Sunday’s ice lake battle was challenging enough, but Dormer had to contend with using only one eye, since Beric had lost an eye during one of his many deaths.

“Whenever I’m playing the character, I basically walk around with my right eye closed the whole time because there’s no depth perception with just one eye,” he said. “If you close one eye and imagine a bright light constantly in front of the other eye, your vision is compromised. You can only see about 30 percent of what you should be able to see.

“That’s pretty scary when you’ve got a sword. But the thing is, we rehearsed so diligently. We were there I think it was three hours a day, five days a week for three weeks before we even shot anything. I was there a lot because I had to know the steps, I wouldn’t be able to see much so it was up to the stunt guy to do a lot of the work [around me]. I was going to hit them at a certain place. They had to make sure that they were at that place and not another place; otherwise they’d get hurt. They made it look effortless, like a dance. It looks ugly, but it was very choreographed, the entire thing.”

When the action moved even higher as the wights surrounded the group, Dormer found himself in an incredibly precarious position for any person, much less one with diminished eyesight.

“My worry was that near the end of the fight we get pushed further and further back,” he said. “If you notice, from the top shot I’m standing right at the edge of a 30-foot drop. That was scary. That was the scariest thing I’ve ever done … I was the one closest to the cliff edge.”

Although no one got hurt, Dormer had one other handicap that the others didn’t: a flaming sword.

“Every time I moved it in front of my face, one, it would blind me, and secondly, it takes away all oxygen because fires eats up [oxygen],” he said. “So my fear was not collapsing. I didn’t want to black out and look like a wuss in front of the other boys. It was scary. We were boiling hot in the skins, but our heads were freezing cold. There wasn’t enough oxygen for me and I couldn’t see anything.”


Source


Damn. Kind of surprised he didn't ask to have the fire turned down a bit.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 21:43:02
August 22 2017 21:36 GMT
#33589
On August 23 2017 06:33 TMG26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 06:06 Plansix wrote:
On August 23 2017 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I can see why people who have read all the books and then switched to watching the show would be a little pissed with the direction it has taken. Its faster, for sure, but it isn't as logical and consequences no longer make much sense, which for me were two defining characteristics of the books.

I’ve made it pretty clear I was pissed at the books way back in 2005. A move toward the end of all of all of this is what I am looking for. And some pay off for the characters that we followed across 4 books.

5*

I should have corrected that. That I followed across 4 books. I peaced out after finding out what happened to Jon at the end of 5. I know when to get out of an abusive relationship.

On August 23 2017 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 04:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Richard Dormer MVP:

Sunday’s ice lake battle was challenging enough, but Dormer had to contend with using only one eye, since Beric had lost an eye during one of his many deaths.

“Whenever I’m playing the character, I basically walk around with my right eye closed the whole time because there’s no depth perception with just one eye,” he said. “If you close one eye and imagine a bright light constantly in front of the other eye, your vision is compromised. You can only see about 30 percent of what you should be able to see.

“That’s pretty scary when you’ve got a sword. But the thing is, we rehearsed so diligently. We were there I think it was three hours a day, five days a week for three weeks before we even shot anything. I was there a lot because I had to know the steps, I wouldn’t be able to see much so it was up to the stunt guy to do a lot of the work [around me]. I was going to hit them at a certain place. They had to make sure that they were at that place and not another place; otherwise they’d get hurt. They made it look effortless, like a dance. It looks ugly, but it was very choreographed, the entire thing.”

When the action moved even higher as the wights surrounded the group, Dormer found himself in an incredibly precarious position for any person, much less one with diminished eyesight.

“My worry was that near the end of the fight we get pushed further and further back,” he said. “If you notice, from the top shot I’m standing right at the edge of a 30-foot drop. That was scary. That was the scariest thing I’ve ever done … I was the one closest to the cliff edge.”

Although no one got hurt, Dormer had one other handicap that the others didn’t: a flaming sword.

“Every time I moved it in front of my face, one, it would blind me, and secondly, it takes away all oxygen because fires eats up [oxygen],” he said. “So my fear was not collapsing. I didn’t want to black out and look like a wuss in front of the other boys. It was scary. We were boiling hot in the skins, but our heads were freezing cold. There wasn’t enough oxygen for me and I couldn’t see anything.”


Source


Damn. Kind of surprised he didn't ask to have the fire turned down a bit.


The part where Jon goes into the water looked brutal to shoot as well. People underestimate the amount of work acting is. Especially action scenes. Even Clark had to do a bunch of work, riding that dragon for take and take in full costume. Or just acting on location, which can be super hot, cold or just unpleasant in full costume.
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 22:17:10
August 22 2017 22:16 GMT
#33590
Season finale will be the longest episode yet, almost 80 minutes (79mins & 43secs, to be exact).
Source
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 22 2017 22:36 GMT
#33591
On August 23 2017 00:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
It’s funny...I did see one review where he just could not get past the airspeed velocity of a raven. If the show was struggling, if it wasn’t finding an audience, I would be up in arms about that and trying to press back, but it actually just made me laugh,” says Taylor.

“You’ve got a [dragon] that’s bigger than a [Boeing] 747 [plane] with seven people riding on its back, and you’re worried about the speed of a raven being believable. OK, obviously, we’re not doing our jobs correctly for you, but it seems to be working for a lot of other people.



http://www.newsweek.com/game-thrones-season-7-pace-criticism-director-alan-taylor-653038


I mean that's the sad truth. As long as people defend any pile of garbage (which the last episode was in comparison to the GoT standard) you cannot assume that the writers/producers/people in power would care.
Not sure if i want 2 hour episodes for next season at this point.



Yeah, it's obvious they don't pay attention to details. The dragon isn't bigger than a 747. It isn't even bigger than a 737. You actually need stairs to climb from the ground to the cabin of a plane.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 23:10:30
August 22 2017 23:05 GMT
#33592
what about wingspan and length?
737 wingspan is 36m btw
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8072 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 13:10:32
August 23 2017 13:09 GMT
#33593
On August 23 2017 00:42 Hyperbola wrote:
Notice how in their interviews they don't even try to defend the leaps of logic and simply fall back on either "Who cares it's fantasy, lol" or "Well I don't care about your opinion because we're successful without you."

The quality of writing in a fiction is not dependant on everything being totally logical. There are some huge inconsistencies in Hamlet, I haven't seen anyone accusing Shakespeare of "bad writing". Consistency nazis are becoming tiring.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9641 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 13:13:14
August 23 2017 13:12 GMT
#33594
On August 23 2017 08:05 CorsairHero wrote:
what about wingspan and length?
737 wingspan is 36m btw

not that i think this conversation is really worth entertaining but this still wouldn't be a real good comparison, airplanes cannot fold their wings.

id imagine in flight the dragon wingspan could challenge a plane, but on the ground it does seem that theyre fairly small, relatively.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 23 2017 13:20 GMT
#33595
On August 23 2017 22:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 00:42 Hyperbola wrote:
Notice how in their interviews they don't even try to defend the leaps of logic and simply fall back on either "Who cares it's fantasy, lol" or "Well I don't care about your opinion because we're successful without you."

The quality of writing in a fiction is not dependant on everything being totally logical. There are some huge inconsistencies in Hamlet, I haven't seen anyone accusing Shakespeare of "bad writing". Consistency nazis are becoming tiring.

If the inconstistency is as bad as in the last episode then it's bad writing though. You are totally right that not everything will be 100% logical, but you cannot tell the audience that Daenerys can be there to save them, it's basically impossible.
There needs to be some internal consitency otherwise nothing connects the plot points and character development.
You cannot show Arya singing with lannister soldiers (this season!) and then have her be a sociopath with Sansa. You cannot have Sansa tell everyone that Littlefinger is not to be trusted and then talk to him in private about her problems with Arya. You cannot have an episode like Hardhome where the wights are actually dangerous and then make them less than cannon fodder against like 10 people fighting them. I could go on and on.
Are some of these complaints a little bit nitpicky? Maybe, but at the end of the day it adds up.
The show feels like the writers simply want to get to certain scenes and are completely incapable of writing the connection points. It was a problem before but this last episode in particular is so far away from the standard GoT set, it's just sad.
Most of this season was at least decent, but the last episode was actually really bad. Hopefully the last one will be good, would be sad to end on an all time low.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2553 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 15:07:09
August 23 2017 15:02 GMT
#33596
On August 23 2017 22:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 00:42 Hyperbola wrote:
Notice how in their interviews they don't even try to defend the leaps of logic and simply fall back on either "Who cares it's fantasy, lol" or "Well I don't care about your opinion because we're successful without you."

The quality of writing in a fiction is not dependant on everything being totally logical. There are some huge inconsistencies in Hamlet, I haven't seen anyone accusing Shakespeare of "bad writing". Consistency nazis are becoming tiring.

That's a pretty wide-reaching and general statement.

Hamlet and asoiaf might both be fiction but they are completely different as stories. Hamlet is more of a fable about the trappings of the pursuit for power while asoiaf is a methodical and incredibly detailed story about medieval warfare and politics that is thousands of pages long and involves hundreds of characters. Magical elements exist but they are not really the focus. By saying that the story does not need internal consistency you remove the suspension of disbelief and ruin it completely.

Why would you get invested in the world if the writer can just say "and then Jon teleported behind the Night King and slew him with his Valyrian katana"? That might be an extreme example, but so is Jon contacting Dany and getting an air recovery within what seems to be 24 hours when Dany is a continental distance away.
Why is this a problem? Well if you can have Dany essentially warp around Westeros with her dragons then why doesn't she do that all the time? She could have flown to Casterly Rock (which is a MUCH shorter distance than she flew to Eastwatch) to provide air support or just to roast the castle to the ground. Or maybe she could have just checked out their defenses ahead of time to size them up and determined that the lannister forces are not there? She could have annihilated the lannister forces before they even got to highgarden. Keep in mind that we have established that she can control all three of them at once. With this ability she can intercept any supply lines, troop movements, roast any castle or city. She could even fly across the narrow sea for shits and giggles. Literaly the only thing holding back her invasion is some badly written "ethical" reason for not roasting the Red Keep (because it's so much better to draw out the war even longer and just burn all of the soldiers and food first before finally killing Cersai).

And if your argument is just "who cares it's a story don't take it so seriously and don't think" then please keep in mind that people enjoy different media. Asoiaf is a cerebral book/show. It makes you think about about the World of Westeros and draws you into the setting. It's not a 5 act play that's over in a couple hours that you forget about the next day.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43964 Posts
August 23 2017 15:06 GMT
#33597
Nobody objects to the suspension of disbelief. Authors are allowed to say "there are dragons which don't catch fire and can fly without sufficient thrust and also the skeleton wights stick together and work without consuming chemical energy in defiance of conservation of energy". That's all good. It's when they defy their own internal rules that we run into trouble. It's not about realism. If Dany's dragons caught fire that would be realistic, but not consistent.

What people want is consistency. Given Dany's dragon travel speeds it would have been entirely realistic for her to still be running Slaver's Bay and just commute back and forth.
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 17:22:47
August 23 2017 15:36 GMT
#33598
The threshold of "what's believable and what isn't" can be a thin line, you definitely don't wanna cross as a writer.
Because at some point you have to commit to a certain amount of reality to be the bedrock of your storyline or you'll end up entangling yourself in a web of inconsistencies.
In order to avoid that sort of thing you'll have to define the ruleset of the world, you're creating pretty early on, because if you don't, you'll just end up hating your work and yourself.
I can tell from my own experience it sucks to be in a postion, where you've pushed the storyline to far to tie it all together.
Every writer on the show probably knew, that the story they wanted to tell had to be squeezed into a tight corset of 7 episodes.
So they had to compromise, I still think they did an amazing job so far, simply because I can feel their pain and know what it means to work on a tight schedule.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
August 23 2017 15:49 GMT
#33599
Ive read they were going with the "nights are longer north of the wall" explanation so the travelspeeds are believable and it was more than just a few hours passing by since it also takes a lot of time for a lake to freeze. But that just means that they survived for a long time, possibly days, on that rock, without much food or water and in that cold.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2017 17:34 GMT
#33600
On August 24 2017 00:49 Warri wrote:
Ive read they were going with the "nights are longer north of the wall" explanation so the travelspeeds are believable and it was more than just a few hours passing by since it also takes a lot of time for a lake to freeze. But that just means that they survived for a long time, possibly days, on that rock, without much food or water and in that cold.

I could have done with a scene addressing that. Or a change in weather. Just something noticeable to show a good amount of time passing. I don't need it, but it would have been nice.
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