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palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
August 22 2017 14:20 GMT
#33561
Of course the WW have the upperhand over dragons now, and even KL can kill them rather easy, Dragons are not anymore a brutal force to be reckon. The Ballista already proved that they were untouched, now all the enemies of Dany can take off the Dragons pretty easy from the fight, the tension just went from how to stop Dragons, to how Dragons dodge spears and big arrows.. for me is tension is really lost.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18117 Posts
August 22 2017 14:24 GMT
#33562
Far more important than whether a magic ice javelin should be able to kill dragons, is why the fuck the night king didn't end the battle the previous day by throwing magic ice javelins at the scrub LFG raid party.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2017 14:29 GMT
#33563
On August 22 2017 23:24 Acrofales wrote:
Far more important than whether a magic ice javelin should be able to kill dragons, is why the fuck the night king didn't end the battle the previous day by throwing magic ice javelins at the scrub LFG raid party.

I have to assume there is some reason why he didn’t attack the group on the ground first. My only guess is that the dragon in the sky was the biggest threat to spraying fire right on the night king and the one on the ground wasn’t. Or the NightKing doesn’t want the conflict over kings landing to end and knowing killing Dany will do that.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 22 2017 14:33 GMT
#33564
One has to assume that it would end the story right there and D&D still want to air 7 episodes so that wasn't a possibility.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 15:00:10
August 22 2017 14:58 GMT
#33565
The Night King brought exactly enough javelins for the three dragons (or at least I think I saw that in some image online). He has to have known the dragons were coming somehow and prepared the (definitely magical) javelins for them specifically. He could have speared Jon with one, but there's no guarantee that wouldn't deplete the magic within it and even if it didn't there was no guarantee they'd be able to recover it before Dany got there.

Why he didn't freeze the lake when that is literally power the Walkers have shown before is a bigger question to me (I think he was there from the start of the impasse?), since once Gendry was away Dany was on her way no matter what and they'd be able to kill and raise a dragon. Maybe that would sap his magical energy too much to launch the spear or he was worried she would just nope and turn around if her buddies were all corpses.

It is also very weird that even though we know for a fact the Night King stuck around the lake to raise the dragon he wasn't in the area when Benjen rode in to save Jon.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 22 2017 15:00 GMT
#33566
It’s funny...I did see one review where he just could not get past the airspeed velocity of a raven. If the show was struggling, if it wasn’t finding an audience, I would be up in arms about that and trying to press back, but it actually just made me laugh,” says Taylor.

“You’ve got a [dragon] that’s bigger than a [Boeing] 747 [plane] with seven people riding on its back, and you’re worried about the speed of a raven being believable. OK, obviously, we’re not doing our jobs correctly for you, but it seems to be working for a lot of other people.



http://www.newsweek.com/game-thrones-season-7-pace-criticism-director-alan-taylor-653038


I mean that's the sad truth. As long as people defend any pile of garbage (which the last episode was in comparison to the GoT standard) you cannot assume that the writers/producers/people in power would care.
Not sure if i want 2 hour episodes for next season at this point.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2544 Posts
August 22 2017 15:42 GMT
#33567
Notice how in their interviews they don't even try to defend the leaps of logic and simply fall back on either "Who cares it's fantasy, lol" or "Well I don't care about your opinion because we're successful without you."
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2017 15:46 GMT
#33568
It sort of shows you the spread of the fan base and what they care about. It also makes me wonder if they knew they couldn’t lock the actors down for an 8th season.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 15:58:09
August 22 2017 15:57 GMT
#33569
On August 22 2017 23:24 Acrofales wrote:
Far more important than whether a magic ice javelin should be able to kill dragons, is why the fuck the night king didn't end the battle the previous day by throwing magic ice javelins at the scrub LFG raid party.


my assumption, based on nothing other than to want the plot to make sense, is that the night king knows that there are bigger threats than humans (such as dragons), and the magic ice javelins are in limited supply.

and actually maybe they are specifically made to fight dragons, since there were more dragons around the last time a long winter happened


anyways I thought this was one of the most exciting, epic episodes of the show ever. I loved it.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9246 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 16:21:11
August 22 2017 16:20 GMT
#33570
On August 23 2017 00:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
It’s funny...I did see one review where he just could not get past the airspeed velocity of a raven. If the show was struggling, if it wasn’t finding an audience, I would be up in arms about that and trying to press back, but it actually just made me laugh,” says Taylor.

“You’ve got a [dragon] that’s bigger than a [Boeing] 747 [plane] with seven people riding on its back, and you’re worried about the speed of a raven being believable. OK, obviously, we’re not doing our jobs correctly for you, but it seems to be working for a lot of other people.



http://www.newsweek.com/game-thrones-season-7-pace-criticism-director-alan-taylor-653038


I mean that's the sad truth. As long as people defend any pile of garbage (which the last episode was in comparison to the GoT standard) you cannot assume that the writers/producers/people in power would care.
Not sure if i want 2 hour episodes for next season at this point.


I had a growing conviction that all those (mostly minor) plot holes and illogicalities in recent seasons weren't actually mistakes and that they were included in the script purely to get as many "oooh!s" from the audience as possible. I'm glad they're honest about it. The show is still enjoyable if you treat is as braindead fun, I really recommend not caring about those things. Obviously it's annoying that they wasted the potential of s1, but it's hard to blame them for choosing to appeal to a bigger, less demanding audience.

With that said, if I see a new show advertised with "from the writers/directors of Game of Thrones...", I'll just laugh and ignore it.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 22 2017 18:34 GMT
#33571
It's a bit of a double edged sword though. Rob Stark defeated the Lannisters in a few mentioned sentences instead of a fight scene because there was no budget. Battle of the blackwater was fun but clearly small scale. Dragons and dire wolves weren't shown more than a few seconds because CGI costs money. So while the extreme popularity makes them care less about the story and more about making the audience go wow, the popularity also brought the budget for some of the sickest fight scenes since LotR and actual dragons in combat.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
August 22 2017 18:37 GMT
#33572
"Hardhome" is still the best episode imo.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
August 22 2017 18:51 GMT
#33573
On August 23 2017 03:37 farvacola wrote:
"Hardhome" is still the best episode imo.

Agreed
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OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
August 22 2017 18:56 GMT
#33574
I feel the quality of the show is still really high, but the whole season has been very predictable. I guess that's what happens when you move from the book source to a more "hollywood" approach.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17433 Posts
August 22 2017 19:19 GMT
#33575
On August 23 2017 03:56 OminouS wrote:
I feel the quality of the show is still really high, but the whole season has been very predictable. I guess that's what happens when you move from the book source to a more "hollywood" approach.


The books weren't that good to begin with...
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Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
August 22 2017 19:19 GMT
#33576
The episode was just dumb. Still above average for a TV series (it looked amazing) but for me one of the worst GoT episodes.

The plan is as dumb as it gets. Would be funny if cersei gets the wight presented by Dani and John and is like "well yea thanks guys but i already have a 3 meter zombie mountain so thanks i´m good"

Now even ravens can teleport, the timeline and geography is completely out of the window.

Drogon, a Dragon that in s4ep1 almost bite dany for food is now a rescue helicopter for everyone, nice.

But by far the worst for me is how non threatening the army of the dead was/is. White walkers were feared like nothing else in GoT and now we are at "ow a white with some zombies, lets get him!"
The wights are super non threatening against an armored army, a handful of half frozen guys can hold them back (yes it was an allstar team but still) and in his biggest battle yet, against his most dangorous opponent (dragons) this supernatural magical beeing... throws a spear.

I fell in love with this show because being stupid had consequences and got you killed. It completely lost that.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
August 22 2017 19:28 GMT
#33577
This episode is 100x more enjoyable if you don't think about the logistics of the speed of a dragon/raven compared to people walking uphill through snow.

I mean... This episode was great. Just enjoy the ride and stop overthinking things.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 22 2017 19:58 GMT
#33578
On August 23 2017 04:28 Zooper31 wrote:
This episode is 100x more enjoyable if you don't think about the logistics of the speed of a dragon/raven compared to people walking uphill through snow.

I mean... This episode was great. Just enjoy the ride and stop overthinking things.

There is no overthinking, this happens while watching the show automatically. I don't know what to tell you but it's just that obvious.

On August 23 2017 04:19 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 03:56 OminouS wrote:
I feel the quality of the show is still really high, but the whole season has been very predictable. I guess that's what happens when you move from the book source to a more "hollywood" approach.


The books weren't that good to begin with...

Nah they are pretty damn good actually. If you want to discuss this then quote me in the book thread
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 22 2017 19:59 GMT
#33579
Richard Dormer MVP:

Sunday’s ice lake battle was challenging enough, but Dormer had to contend with using only one eye, since Beric had lost an eye during one of his many deaths.

“Whenever I’m playing the character, I basically walk around with my right eye closed the whole time because there’s no depth perception with just one eye,” he said. “If you close one eye and imagine a bright light constantly in front of the other eye, your vision is compromised. You can only see about 30 percent of what you should be able to see.

“That’s pretty scary when you’ve got a sword. But the thing is, we rehearsed so diligently. We were there I think it was three hours a day, five days a week for three weeks before we even shot anything. I was there a lot because I had to know the steps, I wouldn’t be able to see much so it was up to the stunt guy to do a lot of the work [around me]. I was going to hit them at a certain place. They had to make sure that they were at that place and not another place; otherwise they’d get hurt. They made it look effortless, like a dance. It looks ugly, but it was very choreographed, the entire thing.”

When the action moved even higher as the wights surrounded the group, Dormer found himself in an incredibly precarious position for any person, much less one with diminished eyesight.

“My worry was that near the end of the fight we get pushed further and further back,” he said. “If you notice, from the top shot I’m standing right at the edge of a 30-foot drop. That was scary. That was the scariest thing I’ve ever done … I was the one closest to the cliff edge.”

Although no one got hurt, Dormer had one other handicap that the others didn’t: a flaming sword.

“Every time I moved it in front of my face, one, it would blind me, and secondly, it takes away all oxygen because fires eats up [oxygen],” he said. “So my fear was not collapsing. I didn’t want to black out and look like a wuss in front of the other boys. It was scary. We were boiling hot in the skins, but our heads were freezing cold. There wasn’t enough oxygen for me and I couldn’t see anything.”


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2017 20:05 GMT
#33580
On August 23 2017 04:19 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 03:56 OminouS wrote:
I feel the quality of the show is still really high, but the whole season has been very predictable. I guess that's what happens when you move from the book source to a more "hollywood" approach.


The books weren't that good to begin with...

Those first three books were real good the first time. But then Martins “this isn’t fantasy” took over and he spun his wheels for two books while abusing his readers who figured out the end already. This all could have been avoided by not dragging his feet and giving the internet unlimited time to speculate.
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