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My guess for the finale episode and what's going to happen:
- Arlene is going to be the one who put the Xanax into Deb's bottle of water. Dexter will realize this and somehow will get Hannah out of the prison.
- Laguerta will catch flak for releasing Estrada, and that chainsaw won't help her case (Dexter's mother was killed that way, probably others before her) So Estrada might get framed for something of this sort. Maybe Dexter will kill Laguerta and frame it on Estrada somehow.
- Matthews will beat Laguerta on her game and charges on Dexter will be dropped.
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On December 10 2012 21:51 Bleak wrote:
- Arlene is going to be the one who put the Xanax into Deb's bottle of water. Dexter will realize this and somehow will get Hannah out of the prison.
This is an interesting theory, Arlene did know exactly when Deb would be coming to see her, so she could have broken into Deb's car and slipped the pills into an open bottle of water. However, what would she do if there was no open bottle of water? Or no pills? Again, the problem with all of these theories is that the medication acts quickly and there's no way to poison the water ahead of time without unsealing the bottle. I think no matter what, it's going to end up as a glaring plot hole.
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On December 10 2012 21:58 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 21:51 Bleak wrote:
- Arlene is going to be the one who put the Xanax into Deb's bottle of water. Dexter will realize this and somehow will get Hannah out of the prison. This is an interesting theory, Arlene did know exactly when Deb would be coming to see her, so she could have broken into Deb's car and slipped the pills into an open bottle of water. However, what would she do if there was no open bottle of water? Or no pills? Again, the problem with all of these theories is that the medication acts quickly and there's no way to poison the water ahead of time without unsealing the bottle. I think no matter what, it's going to end up as a glaring plot hole.
I was thinking more along the lines of her walking into Deb's house and slipped the pills into the bottle of water. Hannah already knew her address, she could have just given her to Arlene. Or maybe Debra gave her the address, perhaps telling her to call if she wants to come forward and testify. Remember, Dexter found a blonde hair in Debra's bathroom. Both Hannah and Arlene have blonde-blondish hair.
Hannah just wouldn't poison Debra. Dexter is so stupid to jump into conclusions. First of all, as she said, it's too obvious. There's no way Dexter wouldn't make the connection and realize it's her. Secondly, they are in a relationship and she loves her. If she ever did anything like that, there wouldn't be any future for them, probably no future for Hannah at all because Dexter would kill her if he found out. And third, it's not just Hannah's style. Deb would be dead if she wanted Debra to die. She knows much about substances, and she would know exactly the amount of dose to just simply kill her, instead of just giving her a blackout and hope for a death by car accident.
So this means that Arlene, who I presume also knows some stuff about drugs, and who also knew that Debra was coming to visit her, broke into Debra's house the other day (she might even have followed or come with Hannah) and put the pills into the bottle of water in Debra's bathroom.
Debra was drinking a bottle of water already the night Hannah came to see her. So Arlene might have broke into the house in the night and just put the pills into the open bottle. So she wouldn't have to find an unsealed bottle.
I just want Dex and Hannah to be together. People here don't trust her and yeah she isn't exactly normal since she can kill someone in cold blood if she really has to for her own survival. But still, you can't deny they've got something going. And Dexter isn't really a champion of light side too. He can also kill people if they threaten him or his family. He did it many times in the show. Lila, Travis etc...The list is huge. So if you don't like Hannah for being a killer, I don't see how you would root for Dexter because they are just same, Hannah is actually more human about it.
I'm tired of Dexter being this serial killer robot with no emotions and no chance of change. The entire series is about Dexter's evolution as a character, as a human being. I hope they get back together, and judging by the preview it really might happen.
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I was thinking that Deb put the pills in her own water to make it look like Hannah did it, because as Hannah said, "I don't make mistakes, if I wanted to poison Deb she would be dead."
This would make Hannah look guilty to Dexter, and would allow for what happened with Dexter turning the Sal's pen over to Deb, which is all exactly what Deb wants, and none of what Hannah wants.
I do not think Dexter will kill LaGuerta. It's a little too evil, even for him. I think he will almost do it and then not be able to go through with it because she does not meet the code. I think what happens between Dexter and LaGuerta will come down to the ultimate decision that Deb makes under pressure. Is her loyalty to her brother or her badge?
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On December 10 2012 22:28 bode927 wrote:
I was thinking that Deb put the pills in her own water to make it look like Hannah did it, because as Hannah said, "I don't make mistakes, if I wanted to poison Deb she would be dead."
This would make Hannah look guilty to Dexter, and would allow for what happened with Dexter turning the Sal's pen over to Deb, which is all exactly what Deb wants, and none of what Hannah wants.
I do not think Dexter will kill LaGuerta. It's a little too evil, even for him. I think he will almost do it and then not be able to go through with it because she does not meet the code. I think what happens between Dexter and LaGuerta will come down to the ultimate decision that Deb makes under pressure. Is her loyalty to her brother or her badge?
Did you see how he killed Hannah's father in cold blood? He didn't fit the code at all. So Dexter is capable of doing evil things.
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On December 10 2012 13:46 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 13:35 politik wrote:
Calling it now that Deb caused the accident on purpose in order to set up Hannah. That's what I think too... she spiked her own water knowing dex would find it and that he would turn on Hannah. Hannah had to know that deb was off limits because any attempt would automatically look terrible for her regardless of innocence. The witness wasn't credible like Hannah said, with drug issues and whatnot. Makes me sad because all that foreshadowing of them being happy was making it pretty obvious that it would end poorly. I know the guest stars have been a revolving door in the past so there's no reason to think it would change but I still hoped. I don't want to say that this season was disappointing but its like everything is resolved by episode 11. Isaak is dead, Quinns girl is gone, the relationship is broken up. What's really left? I feel like Isaak should have had more time. That enemy-turned-friend plot had much more potential than what they got out of it. I thought it was genuinely interesting and refreshing. I guess the finale will be the revelation that Debra framed Hannah and then the resulting blow up? Eh. Kinda disappointed I guess. The twist with laguerta setting Dex up was the high point I think. I don't really see how they can go down the 'oh they suspect dexter' story line because that's been done really heavily already. Season 2 he was scrambling every episode to cover shit up so I can't see a recycled version being any good. I've loved the show until now but I think that they've made the right call to end it after season 8.
WATCH...THE...PREVIEW!!!!!!
Shit is GOING DOWN
Seriously Hannah looks like she is out for Morgan blood now.... might be the best season finale yet! Looks like Yvonne turned out to be one of the finale villains after all.
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On December 10 2012 21:49 Cel.erity wrote:
Kind of hated this episode.
First of all, it seemed like Matthews was very suspicious of Dexter in his questioning, and then Dexter tells him Doakes had a boat...when LaGuerta previously said he did not. Shouldn't that have raised some red flags with an experienced ex-detective? I know Doakes could have used a fake name, but really, it was weird to see Matthews believe Dexter so readily.
Deb's accident doesn't really make sense from either perspective. Hannah pretty much couldn't have done it, since it was a sealed bottle of water and she'd have to somehow unseal it, slip the drugs in, reseal it, and then presume to know exactly when Deb would drink it. Then she'd somehow have to evade detection from her forensics expert boyfriend who knows her MO.
However, Deb poisoning herself while driving doesn't seem plausible either, because she's not stupid. I guess the most likely theory is that she got into the accident and THEN drank the water, but even if that's what she did, a bunch of things have to fall into place for Dexter to think to check that water bottle. Deb seemed fairly willing to admit that maybe Hannah didn't poison her, so she was either pulling some brilliant reverse psychology or just totaling her car in the blind hope that Dexter would check it meticulously.
Finally, Dexter turning Hannah in seems like the stupidest idea in the world, because she knows everything about him and all the people he's killed. Shouldn't Deb have realized this all along as well? If Hannah gets caught, she can ruin Dexter's life, and it looks like that may indeed happen. They should have just tried to get along.
When you consider Matthews was the best friend of Dexter's dad it makes sense that Matthews would believe Dexter so readily.
I think Dexter is smart enough to of considered the aftermath of giving up Hannah to the police. After-all, with the proof of Hannah killing Sal Price, she is now known as a lying murderer. Hannah also has no evidence to implicate Dexter to my knowledge.
With LaGuerta finding the container/chainsaw, that is pretty huge and directly links Himenes to Dexter. So it;s now at boiling point for Dexter regards to him being found out by LaGuerta. However, LaGuerta has done this investigation 'unofficially' and hasnt shared her theory (Dexter is the BHB) with anyone except Debra and Matthews. So, I can see something happening to LaGuerta and thereby saving Dexter.
Ive really enjoyed the character of Debra this season , And Jennifer Carpenter is just an awesome actor.
Im enjoying the character developments. Next weeks episode will be fun.
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On December 10 2012 21:49 Cel.erity wrote:
Kind of hated this episode.
First of all, it seemed like Matthews was very suspicious of Dexter in his questioning, and then Dexter tells him Doakes had a boat...when LaGuerta previously said he did not. Shouldn't that have raised some red flags with an experienced ex-detective? I know Doakes could have used a fake name, but really, it was weird to see Matthews believe Dexter so readily.
Deb's accident doesn't really make sense from either perspective. Hannah pretty much couldn't have done it, since it was a sealed bottle of water and she'd have to somehow unseal it, slip the drugs in, reseal it, and then presume to know exactly when Deb would drink it. Then she'd somehow have to evade detection from her forensics expert boyfriend who knows her MO.
However, Deb poisoning herself while driving doesn't seem plausible either, because she's not stupid. I guess the most likely theory is that she got into the accident and THEN drank the water, but even if that's what she did, a bunch of things have to fall into place for Dexter to think to check that water bottle. Deb seemed fairly willing to admit that maybe Hannah didn't poison her, so she was either pulling some brilliant reverse psychology or just totaling her car in the blind hope that Dexter would check it meticulously.
Finally, Dexter turning Hannah in seems like the stupidest idea in the world, because she knows everything about him and all the people he's killed. Shouldn't Deb have realized this all along as well? If Hannah gets caught, she can ruin Dexter's life, and it looks like that may indeed happen. They should have just tried to get along.
dude she totally poisoned herself. In the hospital scene when shes lying in bed and Dex went to go see her and asked but "wheres the evidence??" (of hannah being responsible) Deb replies "then we should be LOOKING for it!" totally planting the idea in Dexter's head. She knows how good Dexter is at finding evidence, and Hannah is WAYYY too smart to pull off a stupid ass plot like that in the hopes that MAYBE deb will die in a car accident. Also, Dexter specifically states at one point that with that amount of medicine in the water it wouldve taken minutes for her to pass out after ingesting it, the writers are totally setting up for the truth to come out.
Furthermore i don't think Hannah will turn on Dex, she truely loves him she even told him he shouldve just killed her. The preview for the next episode however does seem to imply that she will blackmail Deb in order to get herself out, she is wayy too smart to not figure out that Deb set her up.
I hope Laguerta takes a knife to the face.
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Im sure it wasnt Hannah that drugged deb and i dont think it was deb neither. Deb is not that sneaky to manipulate dexter like that. Shes pretty straight forward.
I didnt think about Arlene but it really makes sense. Leaving a huge mess behind like this feels really sloppy and nothing like Hannah at all. more like a sloppy drug addict.
Dexter was just acting plain stupid this episode. He could have easily run a DNA test on that hair. Blond hair --> it can only be Hannah... dude... thats like that blood is red... hannah has red blood --> it must be hannah!
and if you decide to bring her down, then do it right and kill her. How dumb must he be to not realize that she can bring him down? + Show Spoiler +well she wont after watching the preview but how would he know.. she knows her ways around prison
Also he shouldnt have taken the Gimenez bait so blindly. He just doesnt care at all that Laguerta wants him in jail no matter what. Being a little more cautious maybe? The situation felt kinda off to me but i just thought well.. dexter gets away so often despite being really sloppy so i thought its gonna be fine anyway.
I dont know. He just didnt think any of his steps through. Thats what i hate in starcraft too. When you're in huge trouble because you took really stupid decisions and you can only blame yourself.
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The writing for this show makes my brain hurt sometimes.
The always so cautious, always so thorough Dexter suddenly jumps to conclusions when Deb is "poisoned" and automatically turns in the alleged love of his life for murder? It makes no fucking sense.
Same thing with the dude he wanted to kill. It wasn't even just a little fishy that after all these years, he got out on parole? Not to mention that someone as notorious as him would probably have a police tail in the first place.
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So how could have Doakes survived? My guess, Dexter is having a bad dream about Doakes and the writers are tricking us, just like they did with the killing of Masuka. Remember how they showed Dexter killing him and it just was an image in Dexter's mind?
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I really feel like Deb must've poisoned herself and the finale will be about how Dex deals with that the only person he has ever really trusted betrays him. Not sure, think Deb might be about to die... (and possibly behind the scenes MCH and JC not getting along so they kill her off?). I in the least am betting on Deb
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On December 10 2012 16:32 Souldrinkah wrote:
Debra didn't have to poison herself, she only had to put "poison" in that bottle for Dexter to find and then crash the car in a way that she'd most likely be fine.
I can't believe the number of dumb fucks in this thread jumping on the "Deb poisoned herself" bandwagon. I must have counted at least 20. Either you guys read some spoiler on 4chan and are trying to make it look like you're geniuses who predicted it by yourselves, or you think Deb is dumb enough to be willing to commit suicide because of her love for Dexter. Did you guys even see the state of the fucking car?
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On December 11 2012 02:57 Miami Metro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 16:32 Souldrinkah wrote:
Debra didn't have to poison herself, she only had to put "poison" in that bottle for Dexter to find and then crash the car in a way that she'd most likely be fine. I can't believe the number of dumb fucks in this thread jumping on the "Deb poisoned herself" bandwagon. I must have counted at least 20. Either you guys read some spoiler on 4chan and are trying to make it look like you're geniuses who predicted it by yourselves, or you think Deb is dumb enough to be willing to commit suicide because of her love for Dexter. Did you guys even see the state of the fucking car?
Well she could've just taken a normal doze, deliberately crashed where she wouldn't get hurt to much and then drink the water. That or take the pills just before she crashed.
Also note that just before she got into the accident she said "it's because I love Dexter, I'm willing to do whatever it takes[...]". Seeing how nuts she has been lately, I wouldn't put it past her to risk killing herself to protect him from Hannah, though like I said before, I don't really think she would need to take that big of a risk, to pull it off.
PS. Icelandic water representing, lol.
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On December 11 2012 02:57 Miami Metro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 16:32 Souldrinkah wrote:
Debra didn't have to poison herself, she only had to put "poison" in that bottle for Dexter to find and then crash the car in a way that she'd most likely be fine. I can't believe the number of dumb fucks in this thread jumping on the "Deb poisoned herself" bandwagon. I must have counted at least 20. Either you guys read some spoiler on 4chan and are trying to make it look like you're geniuses who predicted it by yourselves, or you think Deb is dumb enough to be willing to commit suicide because of her love for Dexter. Did you guys even see the state of the fucking car?
Alot of things point to Debra doing it herself actually. And Debra's the only one that said she "blacked out". Maybe she just drank the water, and crashed the car herself, in a way she know she would likely survive?
Even if it wasn't Debra doing it to herself, I HIGHLY doubt it was Hannah. Or Arlene. It was either an accident, or Deb did it. There's just no explanation for how they got the pills into that water bottle. If they did it the night before, she would have blacked out earlier than that..
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I loved Dexter's Lab with Dee Dee XD
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I dont understand why people think Hannah is too clever to mess up.
She already messed up on the book writer guy who died in Dexters apartment and apparently left behind evidence.
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On December 11 2012 03:22 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 02:57 Miami Metro wrote:On December 10 2012 16:32 Souldrinkah wrote:
Debra didn't have to poison herself, she only had to put "poison" in that bottle for Dexter to find and then crash the car in a way that she'd most likely be fine. I can't believe the number of dumb fucks in this thread jumping on the "Deb poisoned herself" bandwagon. I must have counted at least 20. Either you guys read some spoiler on 4chan and are trying to make it look like you're geniuses who predicted it by yourselves, or you think Deb is dumb enough to be willing to commit suicide because of her love for Dexter. Did you guys even see the state of the fucking car? Well she could've just taken a normal doze, deliberately crashed where she wouldn't get hurt to much and then drink the water. That or take the pills just before she crashed. Also note that just before she got into the accident she said "it's because I love Dexter, I'm willing to do whatever it takes[...]". Seeing how nuts she has been lately, I wouldn't put it past her to risk killing herself to protect him from Hannah, though like I said before, I don't really think she would need to take that big of a risk, to pull it off. PS. Icelandic water representing, lol.
That's probably how they sell it, because even though dumb as shit, any other explanation is probably worse. I.E, She probably spiked the water, drank some amount (an amount equating "party-time" for the lab tester guy), safely drove into a ditch, eventually blacked out, etc.
While unstable, she overall seems like a logical character, so I have no idea what the fuck she would expect to get out if it outside "maybe Dexter breaks up with Hannah". But again, it's probably better than anything else they can come up with.
Hannah / Arlene would be the joke of the year, so not much worth discussing there.
Questions:
- How does "two-month-old-pen-that-dexter-found-with-prints-and-a-dash-of-aconite" constitute evidence in any place on any planet.
- Why does Redneck dad blow the whistle on Hannah unless his only purpose is going to jail and not actually getting any money.
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On December 11 2012 03:27 1Dhalism wrote:
I dont understand why people think Hannah is too clever to mess up.
She already messed up on the book writer guy who died in Dexters apartment and apparently left behind evidence.
She doesnt use the stuff you can simply detect by standard blood tests..
Rather use some of that stuff she gave to the writer. Much more efficient. and you can only find the evidence if you know what you need to look for.
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Well of course she wouldn't use aconite to poison Deb, that would be too obvious. If she were going to kill Deb, she'd have to do it in a way that wouldn't make Dexter suspicious, so a sloppy method would fit. Again though, I don't see how it's possible for Hannah to have been the culprit since even Dexter himself admits the stuff would kick in immediately, and how the hell is Hannah going to know when Deb would drink the water? I miss the old Dexter that didn't make my brain explode.
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