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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On April 13 2017 11:02 blade55555 wrote: I can think of a few, well for me anyway. Beerus destroying Zamasu, Vegeta kicking Blacks ass (even though it was only like 2 minutes long). Goku's kaioken in the tournament | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On April 13 2017 23:45 The_Red_Viper wrote: I personally don't think it had the same impact, the execution of it all seems to be not on point. Can't say exactly what about it makes me feel that way though. Partly because i don't think the villain zamasu was all that exciting to begin with? Zamasu was trash tier as a villain for me. I think a big part of the problem is power ambiguity. Events like SSJ Goku starting to really trash Frieza, SSJ2 Gohan vs Cell, Majin Vegeta, and other similar events had a lot of basis in power struggle and reaching new peaks. Zamasu was weird because he was never really that strong to begin with and it was like this weird cheating method of just using dragon balls to get more powerful. There's a reason DBZ never actually let a bad guy use the dragon balls. Look at the fucking corner they wrote themselves into. We needed the fucking Omniking to remove him from existence because he became a god damn universe. What in the shit. What a terrible, stupid idea. So we basically went from angsty teen rebel to unkillable god. In no point in between was there some kind of struggle or back and forth. Goku went from superior to inferior and then it was decided by a technicality when Goku pressed a button. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
If you discount luck and divine intervention (by which I mean Beerus/Whis/etc. and not plot armor), our heroes haven't really achieved anything in Super. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
The thing is we are already 80+ episodes in, i am not sure if the style of the series will change tbh. That's just what super is i guess. It's also really hard to write a villain at this point, i said it multiple times but the god of destruction thing with the angels and the omni knight, all that stuff is really bad for the story imo. The main part of the zamasu storyline was also figuring out who the villain even is, i mean no wonder you cannot care all that much then? The only ohh moment really was the revelation of the mystery and it wasn't all that amazing either :D | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On April 14 2017 00:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah you two bring up good points. I agree with everything stated. The thing is we are already 80+ episodes in, i am not sure if the style of the series will change tbh. That's just what super is i guess. It's also really hard to write a villain at this point, i said it multiple times but the god of destruction thing with the angels and the omni knight, all that stuff is really bad for the story imo. The main part of the zamasu storyline was also figuring out who the villain even is, i mean no wonder you cannot care all that much then? The only ohh moment really was the revelation of the mystery and it wasn't all that amazing either :D What would have been really cool would have been for it to be a Zamasu chase. Did you ever play turtles in time? Basically TMNT chasing shredder and his baddies through time. I would have loved for it to be everyone trying to catch Zamasu. It would have been cool for there to be this long hunt/mystery which ends with Vegeta one-handed ki blasting Zamasu out of existence. Kinda like an extremely long tease. The viewer would know that as SOON as the Saiyans caught up with Zamasu (assuming they got to him before he used the dragon balls), he would get positively trashed. Zamasu could have used various god-requiring methods to throw them off the trail or throw really strong bad guys at them or something. But having Zamasu actually GET the dragon balls created a "shit, now what? LOL just roll with it!!" situation | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On April 13 2017 00:36 Mohdoo wrote: Whis seems pretty nonchalant about openly saying Goku is stronger than Vegeta. What is making you say Vegeta is stronger? Currently Vegeta learned to control Blue way better, only transforming when he attacks so that he maximizes energy output and doesn't waste a bunch. Goku said he can't do that because Vegeta trained in the HBTC while Goku learned the Mafuba. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On April 14 2017 01:29 Dark_Chill wrote: Currently Vegeta learned to control Blue way better, only transforming when he attacks so that he maximizes energy output and doesn't waste a bunch. Goku said he can't do that because Vegeta trained in the HBTC while Goku learned the Mafuba. ...I think I missed an episode or something. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On the other hand, DBZ had quite a bit. First SSJ transformation, the whole Goku vs Cell bit, Mystic Gohan, Buu's emergence was quite impactful, SSJ3 Goku and probably other bits and pieces that I forgot about. Oh right, Gohan going SSJ for the first time in the HBTC was pretty nice! | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
He's talking about the manga | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On April 13 2017 23:51 Mohdoo wrote: Zamasu was trash tier as a villain for me. I think a big part of the problem is power ambiguity. Events like SSJ Goku starting to really trash Frieza, SSJ2 Gohan vs Cell, Majin Vegeta, and other similar events had a lot of basis in power struggle and reaching new peaks. Zamasu was weird because he was never really that strong to begin with and it was like this weird cheating method of just using dragon balls to get more powerful. There's a reason DBZ never actually let a bad guy use the dragon balls. Look at the fucking corner they wrote themselves into. We needed the fucking Omniking to remove him from existence because he became a god damn universe. What in the shit. What a terrible, stupid idea. So we basically went from angsty teen rebel to unkillable god. In no point in between was there some kind of struggle or back and forth. Goku went from superior to inferior and then it was decided by a technicality when Goku pressed a button. Zamasu as a villain though accomplished his goal which gives him at least some cred. Also Black & Zamasu on their own were way cooler and menacing than the whole merged bs | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:30 NovemberstOrm wrote: Zamasu as a villain though accomplished his goal which gives him at least some cred. Also Black & Zamasu on their own were way cooler and menacing than the whole merged bs The idea wasn't too bad but imo they didn't execute it to the full potential. At the end it wasn't (imo) on the lvl of frieza or cell or even buu (and i think buu was fairly meh to begin with) | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:46 LegalLord wrote: Only started to turn to shit with the Goku Black scythe. Yeah and Goku Black getting the scythe was so stupid. "Oh you got stronger with anger." (when Vegeta had trained in the chamber...) and then while smiling unleashes some BS scythe and is back to super strong. It made the fusion make no sense when Black wasn't even in danger. Ug I still can't believe how bad they messed up the ending to that arc. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 16 2017 12:00 LegalLord wrote: Just go with it. Power levels aren't meant to make sense. That's what people always say when bad writing occurs: just don't think about it. I mean that's simply not an option for me personally  It's not like (reasonable) people expect it to be an exact science either, but it's just so arbitrary, incoherent, etc that it actively destroys the enjoyment. If you don't want people to think about it don't write an anime which is all about power and not wit/tactics/unique abilities which can cancel each other out. No dragonball was all about power since dbz. You cannot just change that now, it doesn't work. That was a general rant, not about the current episode (didn't watch that yet) | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 16 2017 14:32 Shock710 wrote: im mainly upset that recruiting 17 is gonna take two eps...why couldnt the alien poachers have just come straight away...some dbz fillers were boring as hell but these are just so bland... I mean, it's completely pointless too. We know he's gonna join in the end. | ||
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HolydaKing
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