EPTSo if its an average of the whole universe, i dont think goku and co need to be so worried about their chances (looking aside that they're main characters),
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
So if its an average of the whole universe, i dont think goku and co need to be so worried about their chances (looking aside that they're main characters), | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On February 26 2017 13:24 Shock710 wrote: is universe 7 weak, with such a low rating due to the abundance of crappy beings, like humans and the alien races that frezia conqurered? and then with goku and vegeta killing basically anything that is actually powerful, frieza force, frieza and his family, cell, demons, buu and babadi's henchmen (including back then the greatest fighters in the universe) and etc plus the whole sayian race is dead. So if its an average of the whole universe, i dont think goku and co need to be so worried about their chances (looking aside that they're main characters), Though I kinda agree with you. We still need more info about what a rating actually is, we need an example to get some context. Those other universes surely have weak races as well that's being counted into the average so theirs are being dragged down just as much. Who knows maybe they have a buncha weaklings and then a rating 20 person bringing everyone else up, kinda like we have Goku/Vegeta. If Goku for instance is a 10 and Krillin is a 1 then we aren't going to do very well in this tournament I feel like. Super excited about the tournament even more now. I feel like Goku is going to lose this match so they tie and Goku forms another rivalry with this wolf guy. He's the only person from Universe 9 that actually doesn't seem like a douchebag and actually seems smart and focused. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On February 26 2017 14:07 Zooper31 wrote: Though I kinda agree with you. We still need more info about what a rating actually is, we need an example to get some context. Those other universes surely have weak races as well that's being counted into the average so theirs are being dragged down just as much. Who knows maybe they have a buncha weaklings and then a rating 20 person bringing everyone else up, kinda like we have Goku/Vegeta. If Goku for instance is a 10 and Krillin is a 1 then we aren't going to do very well in this tournament I feel like. Super excited about the tournament even more now. I feel like Goku is going to lose this match so they tie and Goku forms another rivalry with this wolf guy. He's the only person from Universe 9 that actually doesn't seem like a douchebag and actually seems smart and focused. Goku losing his match would be insane, especially if he's fighting using his full powers. Even more so when yo u keep in mind that universe 9 is at the bottom lol. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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So if it's based on how far advanced the universes are, then we should see some interesting fighters coming up. I'm also curious as to where Champa is at. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6273 Posts
On February 26 2017 13:24 Shock710 wrote: is universe 7 weak, with such a low rating due to the abundance of crappy beings, like humans and the alien races that frezia conqurered? and then with goku and vegeta killing basically anything that is actually powerful, frieza force, frieza and his family, cell, demons, buu and babadi's henchmen (including back then the greatest fighters in the universe) and etc plus the whole sayian race is dead. So if its an average of the whole universe, i dont think goku and co need to be so worried about their chances (looking aside that they're main characters), It's most likely an average. Remember that universe 7 already beat Champa while Champa's universe is apparently stronger. | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On February 26 2017 14:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I'm also curious as to where Champa is at. Since the Universes are essentially twins and Universe 6 lost the original tournament, I suspect he's barely above Universe 7. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6273 Posts
On February 26 2017 18:01 Elentos wrote: Since the Universes are essentially twins and Universe 6 lost the original tournament, I suspect he's barely above Universe 7. Not sure if that is true. The weakest universe was something like a 1.9 vs 3.8 of Universe 7. If twin universes were nearly as weak as each other then why wouldn't the twin of the weakest universe be the 2nd weakest instead of universe 7. On the other hand 1 &12 and 5 & 8 are twins and both above 7 so who knows ^^. | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On February 26 2017 18:11 RvB wrote: Not sure if that is true. The weakest universe was something like a 1.9 vs 3.8 of Universe 7. If twin universes were nearly as weak as each other then why wouldn't the twin of the weakest universe be the 2nd weakest instead of universe 7. On the other hand 1 &12 and 5 & 8 are twins and both above 7 so who knows ^^. Ah but we have a pretty good idea about Universe 6 though. We know Universe 6 and 7 are near-identical twins conceptually, but there are differences and we know some things that could have changed the mortal level. Mainly, the Universe 7 Saiyans being so different from their Universe 6 counterparts and Frost still being in charge while Frieza's army was dismantled. I suspect Universe 4 isn't much higher than Universe 7 in the food chain either, but who knows, maybe they just had a much more fortunate timeline than Universe 9. Or a better Supreme Kai. Also I'm curious why it was decided to exempt Universes 1, 5, 8 and 12 on the part of the creators of the show. | ||
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17Sphynx17
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On February 26 2017 18:22 Elentos wrote: Ah but we have a pretty good idea about Universe 6 though. We know Universe 6 and 7 are near-identical twins conceptually, but there are differences and we know some things that could have changed the mortal level. Mainly, the Universe 7 Saiyans being so different from their Universe 6 counterparts and Frost still being in charge while Frieza's army was dismantled. I suspect Universe 4 isn't much higher than Universe 7 in the food chain either, but who knows, maybe they just had a much more fortunate timeline than Universe 9. Or a better Supreme Kai. Also I'm curious why it was decided to exempt Universes 1, 5, 8 and 12 on the part of the creators of the show. Well you could look at it that for universe rating changed after vegeta taught them how to become super saiyans. So when they would be able to teach and powerup all the saiyans of universe 6 which increased thei rating. But thats a hunch. As for why universe 9 is the weakest, but thei twin universe 4 isnt, it could be because their god of destruction is more 'active' in his role in his universe. Again just a hunch so i can be wrong. | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On February 26 2017 18:58 17Sphynx17 wrote: Well you could look at it that for universe rating changed after vegeta taught them how to become super saiyans. So when they would be able to teach and powerup all the saiyans of universe 6 which increased thei rating. But thats a hunch. As for why universe 9 is the weakest, but thei twin universe 4 isnt, it could be because their god of destruction is more 'active' in his role in his universe. Again just a hunch so i can be wrong. Perhaps. The Grand Priest says "The average level of the mortal-inhabited stars of Universe 7 is 3.18". There's a possibility that Universe 7 is only so far down in the rankings because while there are many fighters in the Universe with incredible power, they are all on Earth these days. (Say Earth would be a 7+ on the mortal level scale but every other planet is far below, and suddenly you have a terrible average) As for Universe 9, it seems like a combination. First off, the Supreme Kai seems like a total douche and not like someone who is fit to be a caretaker of all life in the Universe. And secondly the God of Destruction seems too indecisive. So their low rating is probably a combination of A) Rou not helping mortals develop properly (which Beerus also blames the Universe 7 Kai for) and B) Sidra not fulfilling his job properly and hesitating to destroy planets. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6273 Posts
On February 26 2017 18:22 Elentos wrote: Ah but we have a pretty good idea about Universe 6 though. We know Universe 6 and 7 are near-identical twins conceptually, but there are differences and we know some things that could have changed the mortal level. Mainly, the Universe 7 Saiyans being so different from their Universe 6 counterparts and Frost still being in charge while Frieza's army was dismantled. I suspect Universe 4 isn't much higher than Universe 7 in the food chain either, but who knows, maybe they just had a much more fortunate timeline than Universe 9. Or a better Supreme Kai. Also I'm curious why it was decided to exempt Universes 1, 5, 8 and 12 on the part of the creators of the show. yeh I suspect the differences aren't too big as well. But still it that even between twin universes the difference can be quite big. It looks to me like the twin universes have some base level and depending on its history and the involvement of the kais / god of destruction decides how strong it really becomes. That would explain why 1 & 12 and 5 & 8 are above 7 while still explaning the strength gap between the lowest one and its twin. The reason for exempting those universes is two fold I think. It's to make sure that we know that even after this tournament there are more powerful warriors / universes. It also makes it possible for all universes participating in the tournament except the winner to be destroyed. If universe 7 wins the rest can be destroyed while keeping potentially stronger opponents. I still think Goku will win and he'll wish back the other universes who lost but this way they at least keep it as a relevant plot point. | ||
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MoneyHypeMike
Canada305 Posts
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
I'm guessing the average mortal level is just everyone put together? Universe 7 had some pretty big deaths and stuff going on with Kid Buu and guys like Frieza running around so maybe they killed off a lot of species that would've upped the average. Universe 9 seems pretty dark/evil given how their Supreme Kai is and their low rating, so it may just be that universes with more/bigger bad guys get a lower rating. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
If it wasn't for that then Universe 7 along with the other weak ones would've been gone without even a fighting chance. Still, Goku will have to live with the fact he condemned so many lives between the losing universes to death. Heh, who am I kidding he probably won't care and will probably start bugging Zeno or the Grand Priest about the other universes who are stronger. Speaking on Toppo, again, it would seem that Gohan going Super Saiyan has interested him greatly. In the preview with Goku and Bergamo fighting, it would also seem he is even MORE interested in Goku. I think he sees the potential in Goku and might not take Universe 7 lightly despite being the second to last in terms of weakest universes if there are more beings like Goku on the team. Which there is lol | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 26 2017 23:33 Thezzy wrote: Should've seen a tie coming, as that was the only other way to not make Gohan win without actually having him lose and making the third match the decider. (although Universe 9 can only get a tie at this point) I'm guessing the average mortal level is just everyone put together? Universe 7 had some pretty big deaths and stuff going on with Kid Buu and guys like Frieza running around so maybe they killed off a lot of species that would've upped the average. Universe 9 seems pretty dark/evil given how their Supreme Kai is and their low rating, so it may just be that universes with more/bigger bad guys get a lower rating. Yeah I didn't see anyone suspect Gohans fight would be a tie. Tbh though, it should have been a win. The wolf dude was out cold and Gohan stood back up and then feinted. | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On February 27 2017 04:25 blade55555 wrote: Yeah I didn't see anyone suspect Gohans fight would be a tie. Tbh though, it should have been a win. The wolf dude was out cold and Gohan stood back up and then feinted. I thought about it On February 19 2017 21:51 Elentos wrote: It could also be a draw I guess. I'm fine with it being a draw tbh. Gohan stood back up but he collapsed seconds later. He couldn't have kept fighting, at which point it's really not much of a win. | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
For this arc, 4 out of 12 are exempt from participating. After the tournament, only 1 survives. That would mean that there will be 5 universes that remain which violates the twin rule. Would it then be possible from the "ruins" of the 7 universes that were erased/destroyed, Zeno will create a new 6th universe to restore balance? Or Will the winning universe have to defeat one of the 4 exempt universe to win their position in the universal balance? Also, does Buu as a creature count for the mortal level? I dont think he does since he isn't technically a mortal. But I don't know how that applies to Robots like those of Universe 6. Just random thoughts. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On February 27 2017 09:58 17Sphynx17 wrote: Something I just thought of that no one has mentioned yet, the Universes exists as twins/pairs. For this arc, 4 out of 12 are exempt from participating. After the tournament, only 1 survives. That would mean that there will be 5 universes that remain which violates the twin rule. Would it then be possible from the "ruins" of the 7 universes that were erased/destroyed, Zeno will create a new 6th universe to restore balance? Or Will the winning universe have to defeat one of the 4 exempt universe to win their position in the universal balance? Also, does Buu as a creature count for the mortal level? I dont think he does since he isn't technically a mortal. But I don't know how that applies to Robots like those of Universe 6. Just random thoughts. I'd assume, mortal level, means everyone beneath the Kai's since they are technically gods. Also find it interesting they don't explain why Whis won't disappear with his universe but in the manga they do explain the relationship between angels and gods.+ Show Spoiler + Apparently he would go into a hibernation when Beerus dies until a new god of destruction is chosen. Though not sure what would happen if the entire universe get destroyed because obviously there's no one left to become the new god of destruction then. Is he just permanently sleeping or does he move to another universe and now he's with Champa or something. | ||
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