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On February 23 2017 11:43 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2017 01:04 maze. wrote:On February 23 2017 00:20 Case123 wrote:On February 22 2017 02:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 22 2017 02:34 blade55555 wrote:
There are 12 universes and I think it's fairly obvious that one of two things will happen.
1. Something happens that stops the tournament and maybe 1 or 2 universes get destroyed.
2. The more likely I think now, Universe 7 wins the tournament and Goku uses the Super Dragon Balls to wish back all the universes and people wiped out.
I don't see the tournament ending and every universe but 7 is destroyed. 1) would be decent, 2) would be incredibly boring Let's hope the writers are better than 2) Are these the same writers that decided the best way to end the Black arc was to have his face show up all over the sky and then for Trunks to share his mother with another Trunks in another timeline as a solution? The directors responsible for the conclusion of the Future Trunks Arc were fired after fan backlash. DB Super had new directors with the beginning of the Universe Survival Arc. comicbook.com Didn't realize this but as mentioned, the ending was outright terrible. The beginning of the arc, trunk's powerup etc... were all fine but they + Show Spoiler +kept hyped Zamasu and couldn't end the damn thing when he was chopped in half by Trunks. They just had to destroy the world at the end... It made a good arc become a fail imo.
yeah it was pretty weird considering they were answering the question to what if a villain used the dragons balls to become super strong/strongest or immortal, and we were going to see how the writers would deal with it. But they didnt have anything up their sleeves and just had to erase the whole damn universe via something else just randomly coming out of nowhere to fix everything.
The idea to have their fusion fall apart on the immortal concept was alright, but everything else in the ending was pretty much "eh..what now.." "i guess we just reset everything" "but how" "um zeno comes? why now? who cares"
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I just don't understand why they didn't let Zamasu die from getting chopped in half. The whole dynamic of fusion undoing immortality is solid. They could have run with that and it would have been fine.
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i thought that arc was pretty nice, the ending is a nice set up to show how powerful and fickle zeh oh sama can be
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^ we got warned that he's fickle, no need to showing it then imo. They ruined a perfectly good and hyped arc!
On February 24 2017 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:
I just don't understand why they didn't let Zamasu die from getting chopped in half. The whole dynamic of fusion undoing immortality is solid. They could have run with that and it would have been fine.
exactly. It would've worked fine.
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So I'm currently of the belief that Vegeta almost being good enough and Goku barely being good enough to ultimately take out anything is getting a bit stale. Similar to how Gohan had a crucial role in taking down Buu, I would like to see the same finally happen with Goten or Trunks. It is maddening seeing them be such utterly irrelevant characters. Or make Piccolo great again. Or someone. But the godly saiyan duo needs some company.
What do you guys think? How could the protagonist portion of the cast get a bit more diverse and interesting? I've considered the idea of Hit somehow being a good guy, but no. The universes all suddenly being around each other gives a way for new characters to be introduced, but would they leave their universe..? Refugees from a destroyed universe..? I dunno.
I just can't take anymore Gohan/Goten weakness. They need to fucking do something.
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Elentos
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On February 24 2017 01:45 BigFan wrote:^ we got warned that he's fickle, no need to showing it then imo. They ruined a perfectly good and hyped arc! Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:
I just don't understand why they didn't let Zamasu die from getting chopped in half. The whole dynamic of fusion undoing immortality is solid. They could have run with that and it would have been fine. exactly. It would've worked fine.
But the cutting in half was already stupid to begin with because the 50 half dead people left alive on Earth somehow created a spirit sword stronger than any Spirit Bomb. And it was pretty much accidental.
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On February 24 2017 01:59 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 01:45 BigFan wrote:^ we got warned that he's fickle, no need to showing it then imo. They ruined a perfectly good and hyped arc! On February 24 2017 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:
I just don't understand why they didn't let Zamasu die from getting chopped in half. The whole dynamic of fusion undoing immortality is solid. They could have run with that and it would have been fine. exactly. It would've worked fine. But the cutting in half was already stupid to begin with because the 50 half dead people left alive on Earth somehow created a spirit sword stronger than any Spirit Bomb. And it was pretty much accidental.
Didn't that sword have some sweet saiyan god ki running through it? Maybe I am remembering it wrong.
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Elentos
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On February 24 2017 02:02 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 01:59 Elentos wrote:On February 24 2017 01:45 BigFan wrote:^ we got warned that he's fickle, no need to showing it then imo. They ruined a perfectly good and hyped arc! On February 24 2017 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:
I just don't understand why they didn't let Zamasu die from getting chopped in half. The whole dynamic of fusion undoing immortality is solid. They could have run with that and it would have been fine. exactly. It would've worked fine. But the cutting in half was already stupid to begin with because the 50 half dead people left alive on Earth somehow created a spirit sword stronger than any Spirit Bomb. And it was pretty much accidental. Didn't that sword have some sweet saiyan god ki running through it? Maybe I am remembering it wrong.
It had the last bits of energy of Goku and Vegeta who supposedly couldn't keep fighting anymore at that point.
On February 24 2017 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:
So I'm currently of the belief that Vegeta almost being good enough and Goku barely being good enough to ultimately take out anything is getting a bit stale. Similar to how Gohan had a crucial role in taking down Buu, I would like to see the same finally happen with Goten or Trunks. It is maddening seeing them be such utterly irrelevant characters. Or make Piccolo great again. Or someone. But the godly saiyan duo needs some company.
What do you guys think? How could the protagonist portion of the cast get a bit more diverse and interesting? I've considered the idea of Hit somehow being a good guy, but no. The universes all suddenly being around each other gives a way for new characters to be introduced, but would they leave their universe..? Refugees from a destroyed universe..? I dunno.
I just can't take anymore Gohan/Goten weakness. They need to fucking do something.
Well Goten and Trunks aren't doing anything this arc. But maybe we can make Gohan relevant again.
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On February 24 2017 02:04 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 02:02 Mohdoo wrote:On February 24 2017 01:59 Elentos wrote:On February 24 2017 01:45 BigFan wrote:^ we got warned that he's fickle, no need to showing it then imo. They ruined a perfectly good and hyped arc! On February 24 2017 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:
I just don't understand why they didn't let Zamasu die from getting chopped in half. The whole dynamic of fusion undoing immortality is solid. They could have run with that and it would have been fine. exactly. It would've worked fine. But the cutting in half was already stupid to begin with because the 50 half dead people left alive on Earth somehow created a spirit sword stronger than any Spirit Bomb. And it was pretty much accidental. Didn't that sword have some sweet saiyan god ki running through it? Maybe I am remembering it wrong. It had the last bits of energy of Goku and Vegeta who supposedly couldn't keep fighting anymore at that point.
My hand waving approach to this relied on the whole idea of 5 saiyans being able to turn someone into a super saiyan god. In a similar way, 2 saiyans with god strength are able to superboost someone in a similarly energy-creating (not just transfer) way. 5+5=40 sorta deal.
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They ruined Vegito. That is worse than anything else.
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It would've made more sense that being sliced in half like that would've killed the Goku Black portion of the fusion (who was not immortal). This would've just left regular Future Zamasu. Immortal yes but completely outclassed by Goku/Vegeta/Trunks.
They could've pretty much just come up with anything then to wrap up the story.
Does leave the plothole of how Trunks was strong enough to slice him in half in the first place given that Vegito struggled with him. Suppose they could've made it so that when Vegito got defused that Fusion Zamasu was weakened to the point where Trunks could finish him off.
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I think they just needed a way to get a second Zeno and pulled something out of their ass.
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I also do not think that the arc was any good before that tbh  Zamasu as villain wasn't that interesting, the only thing exciting was black and finding out who he is. That's a basic mystery and nothing more though.
Also now that we have all these super powerful beings it seems silly to begin with that any villain ever would be any danger.
No idea how you make any other character relevant again tbh, if you aren't a saiyan there is no way at all and even the other half saiyans seem to be unimportant (even though they have the most potential  )
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The only way for the weaker characters to be relevant is for the tournament to have a different system. One where Goku and Vegeta can't win all the matches. You have a team of 10; first team to score 6 wins is the victor; every person can fight only once. That way Goku and Vegeta are just 2 wins and the others need to come through as well. I don't think that's going to happen though. As long as it's not just a regular tournament I would be happy. Maybe some battle royals or some weird rules. Something like that.
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I mean it is easy for a tournament arc, but what about anything else?
Especially because the villains kinda have to get stronger and stronger as well.
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Elentos
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On February 24 2017 18:26 sashkata wrote:
The only way for the weaker characters to be relevant is for the tournament to have a different system. One where Goku and Vegeta can't win all the matches. You have a team of 10; first team to score 6 wins is the victor; every person can fight only once. That way Goku and Vegeta are just 2 wins and the others need to come through as well. I don't think that's going to happen though. As long as it's not just a regular tournament I would be happy. Maybe some battle royals or some weird rules. Something like that.
I could be wrong, but I believe they said there will be team battles in the tournament and not just 1v1. Might be wrong though.
Spoiler below regarding todays episode.
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Very interesting, nobody I saw guessed a tie, but Gohan tied and lost. The announcement that Universe 7 is the 2nd weakest universe (quality, so not sure if that's strength or not) out of them all was also something I don't think anybody expected. So this "universal" tournament is actually only 8 universes as 4 were exempt due to their average strength being rated a 7 (Universe 7's was 3.8 iirc).
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Zeno's an ass, lol.
Whis and his daddy are just straight up trolls.
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Great episode. That's all I got lol
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On February 26 2017 11:48 LegalLord wrote:
Zeno's an ass, lol.
Whis and his daddy are just straight up trolls.
haha my thoughts exact.
I certainly didn't see this episode going the way that it did.
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