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Engelmann
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The_Red_Viper
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On November 20 2016 22:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: umm so hows the series? I mean you ask this in a thread dedicated to discussing the series  Personally i would say it's extremely mediocre for dragon ball. The arc which just ended is imo not even close to the lvl of dbz arcs. (frieza, cell and buu) If you are like me and cannot really stop when you started something i wouldn't recommend it, otherwise just watch a few episodes and decide for yourself :D | ||
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Xarles
459 Posts
On November 20 2016 22:05 Antipathy wrote: Completely agree. Would've loved to see Future Trunks take a regular role in the series. Same here. I liked Dragon Ball the most when more ppl could contribute to the fights, and as much as I like Vegeta & Goku, I find it a bit boring when it's just them fighting. Granted I do find FTrunks more relatable as well. I thought the ending was unnecessary and kind of stupid even though Zeno was amusing. | ||
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LegalLord
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Xarles
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On November 20 2016 22:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean you ask this in a thread dedicated to discussing the series Personally i would say it's extremely mediocre for dragon ball. The arc which just ended is imo not even close to the lvl of dbz arcs. (frieza, cell and buu) If you are like me and cannot really stop when you started something i wouldn't recommend it, otherwise just watch a few episodes and decide for yourself :D Animation aside, I liked the first half of the arc. For me the downers of the arc would be how they'd just use the Time Machine all the time to retreat along with how it ended. Didn't think of it before, but there's a bigger sense of danger in those arcs you mentioned, so it would feel like there's more at stake if Zamasu or Goku Black managed to steal Trunks 1st time machine to go back and threaten everybody, like killing Goku's family again. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 20 2016 22:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: umm so hows the series? I gave my thoughts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/484118-dragon-ball-super-discussion?page=9#173 Only update to that is that the Black arc came with a somewhat disappointing ending, despite being really good overall. They wrote themselves into a corner something fierce. | ||
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Engelmann
26 Posts
On November 21 2016 00:08 LegalLord wrote: It's hard not to feel that the ending sort of just ended up being the kind of thing that happens when you write yourself into a corner with immortality, fusion, and time travel. And at the end of the day they failed to save Trunks' timeline. Everyone died and they were left without a home and now they have to find a new one. Might as well have stayed in the present indeed. It would have been OK if they just simply made it end with Trunks killing Zamasu with the sword. I wonder what made them think it'd be a good idea to make Zamasu resurrect again and using that kid king, I mean, if he is the ultimate everything they could have saved him for a future arc or something. God it was gay. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 21 2016 00:10 Xarles wrote: Animation aside, I liked the first half of the arc. For me the downers of the arc would be how they'd just use the Time Machine all the time to retreat along with how it ended. Didn't think of it before, but there's a bigger sense of danger in those arcs you mentioned, so it would feel like there's more at stake if Zamasu or Goku Black managed to steal Trunks 1st time machine to go back and threaten everybody, like killing Goku's family again. The only interesting part of the arc was the mystery of goku black. That's it (imo) Everything else was uninspiring and lacked purpose/excitement. I will be honets though, the decision to expand the db universe like they did in super (bunch of universes with gods and the king of everything) is simply bad. You only can get questionable writing in this case, you always need to top the enemy before, etc. It's ridiculous and could have been done in a way, way better way. Remember how the buu saga ended? Goku barely won against buu with the help of a lot of individuals (spirit bomb), it would have been easy to one up buu just a little bit to create new tension. Especially if he actually would have shown us guko training Uub (reincarnation of buu). But no it had to be that ridiculous stuff we have now, so hard to create tension and stay somewhat consistent with the power lvls, etc that way. All that makes super highly mediocre imo | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Zamasu was alright. He had his moments but also at times his delusions of grandeur were just too much. Gowasu was pretty cool. Trunks was a good character, perhaps one good enough that he genuinely could have been a regular for the series. Though kinda a bummer that at the end of the day, everyone died. Time orphan status. Mai was good, but also had some weird jobber moments when she failed to kill Black, etc. Beerus & Whis were minor characters but they played their parts well. Zeno's brief appearances were pretty cool. Vegito retcon was just awful. But the character himself was good as always. Bulma, Vegeta, and Goku as the main cast played their part rather well. Not much to say here. The ending is exactly the kind of idiocy you get when you make an immortal super-god with infinite power and then you have to take it down. They should definitely have toned it down. That is my biggest gripe with this season. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
It was also a bit weird. I expected that Trunks would've killed off the Goku Black portion of the fusion, leaving only regular (but still immortal) Zamasu, who doesn't have that much power at that point (Goku, Vegeta and Trunks could all easily beat him, just not kill him), at which point they could've come up with just about anything to end it as he didn't really pose a threat. Felt weird that 'killing' the fusion made him some kind of omni-space-thingy. Omni King was funny. And now there's two. Beerus shitting his pants whenever he sees him and Goku just casually bear hugs him. Also, why not show the future timeline restored at least with a happy Trunks and Mai? You can show that much at the end! | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 21 2016 02:10 LegalLord wrote: I liked Goku Black in general. His sword combat was pretty badass. The scythe / evil dark rift stuff was not that great and just a head-scratcher. Zamasu was alright. He had his moments but also at times his delusions of grandeur were just too much. Gowasu was pretty cool. Trunks was a good character, perhaps one good enough that he genuinely could have been a regular for the series. Though kinda a bummer that at the end of the day, everyone died. Time orphan status. Mai was good, but also had some weird jobber moments when she failed to kill Black, etc. Beerus & Whis were minor characters but they played their parts well. Zeno's brief appearances were pretty cool. Vegito retcon was just awful. But the character himself was good as always. Bulma, Vegeta, and Goku as the main cast played their part rather well. Not much to say here. The ending is exactly the kind of idiocy you get when you make an immortal super-god with infinite power and then you have to take it down. They should definitely have toned it down. That is my biggest gripe with this season. + Show Spoiler + Agreed on all points. I seriously just don't understand why they insisted on having Zamasu be so powerful. And yet, in the end, we are also shown that Beerus would have been able to put him in his place, by imprisoning him? Where does the show even go from here? At least Zeno is still beyond godlike. But now there are 2 of them? Does one of them get corrupted or something? -_______- Does anyone else agree that the universe tournament was the "good" arc of this entire series? It feels like that is a legit good story that Toriyama likely had a lot to do with. This season, to me, represents a sharp divergence from the typical DBZ I have come to love. | ||
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LegalLord
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
As someone mentioned, I would've preferred they used the sealing technique and then killed off Black when he was alone by ganging up on him. Trunks killing fused Zamasu with the energy was too much of a big pill to swallow and the fact that Zamasu tried to be the universe (...) was ridiculous. It's like someone thought, well, we gotta get the omni king in here, let's just have Zamasu get destroyed by him... A bad ending to what started off as an interesting arc. Also, this arc also felt like the buu arc in the last bit with the constant reviving, withdrawing etc... the way the buu arc played after goku went back to the other world etc... "Does anyone else agree that the universe tournament was the "good" arc of this entire series? It feels like that is a legit good story that Toriyama likely had a lot to do with. This season, to me, represents a sharp divergence from the typical DBZ I have come to love." No lol. I think this arc up to a certain point was much better. Problem with the tournament arc for me was that it seemed like they made both Goku and Vegeta a lot less powerful than they usually are. Like when Goku was trying to fight that robot and couldn't lift him (from what I recall) or both Goku and Vegeta (or was it piccolo?) missing the poison needle of that Freeza look-alike. It just feels really bizzare and downright stupid at times. | ||
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LegalLord
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Also cool seeing Whis' father towards the end. "Oh hey, neat." | ||
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LegalLord
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KOFgokuon
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 22 2016 05:18 LegalLord wrote: The strongest antagonist in the series is still the first: Beerus. This show has oscillated between stronger and weaker villains quite freely without it appearing to be much of a problem. I don't mind if they do it again. Isn't Beerus more of an asshole uncle who still loves you, rather than an antagonist at this point? | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 22 2016 06:52 KOFgokuon wrote: Gonna miss trunks, he was a great semi main character that could hold his weight compared to goku and vegeta. The sequence of vegeta throwing that last punch and his smile gave me such mixed feelings cause I knew trunks was gone but that he would be alright Saiyan talk  On November 22 2016 07:11 Mohdoo wrote: Isn't Beerus more of an asshole uncle who still loves you, rather than an antagonist at this point? pretty much. Compare that to when he first decided to destroy earth and they summoned shenron who decided to bail when he saw Beerus haha | ||
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
The potarra retcon means shit to me because I've always hated fusion as one of the many lame gimmicks from the Buu saga. I liked Trunks getting the killing blow even if the sword kinda didn't make sense, and Gohan saying goodbye to Trunks was my favorite thing in the entire series so far. But I guess my favorite characters have always been Piccolo, Gohan and Trunks. | ||
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