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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing Dragon Ball Super. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 13 2016 02:43 GMT
#361
+ Show Spoiler +
I can't help but feel like they really didn't do Vegito justice here. He fought well and had a few really good lines but they spoiled it with him just suddenly de-fusing with a stupid retcon like that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
November 13 2016 03:34 GMT
#362
they crammed in too much shit in 1 episode for sure
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
November 13 2016 07:53 GMT
#363
+ Show Spoiler +
The retcon was definitely stupid, but I like that Trunks was the one who save his world. And I didn't see that "spirit bomb" coming.
MoneyHypeMike
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada305 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 09:02:24
November 13 2016 09:02 GMT
#364
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Seems like a weird/rushed ending to an amazing arc.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 10:14:31
November 13 2016 10:13 GMT
#365
Yeah this needed an extra episode for sure.

+ Show Spoiler +
But the Spirit Sword was cool
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 13 2016 10:20 GMT
#366
Is it just me or was the animation a lot better than usual this episode? + Show Spoiler +
Especially the Vegito fight. It's nice and all that Trunks is gonna be the savior since it's his timeline, but... like many people on MAL say that was ridiculous. The power level of Vegito should've been miles ahead of Trunks with energy from an almost empty planet and beaten Vegeta/Goku. Or is there some other monster on earth that I don't know of yet? Anyway better to not care about it I guess.


Pretty enjoyable episode even if it indeed felt a little too fast.
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
November 13 2016 10:42 GMT
#367
On November 13 2016 19:20 HolydaKing wrote:
Is it just me or was the animation a lot better than usual this episode? + Show Spoiler +
Especially the Vegito fight. It's nice and all that Trunks is gonna be the savior since it's his timeline, but... like many people on MAL say that was ridiculous. The power level of Vegito should've been miles ahead of Trunks with energy from an almost empty planet and beaten Vegeta/Goku. Or is there some other monster on earth that I don't know of yet? Anyway better to not care about it I guess.


Pretty enjoyable episode even if it indeed felt a little too fast.

I had the same impression.
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It was actually a small spoiler for me, better animation - probably the final fight.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6290 Posts
November 13 2016 11:30 GMT
#368
On November 13 2016 11:43 LegalLord wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I can't help but feel like they really didn't do Vegito justice here. He fought well and had a few really good lines but they spoiled it with him just suddenly de-fusing with a stupid retcon like that.

Final Kamehameha was great though but yeah the retcon is annoying.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
November 13 2016 12:27 GMT
#369
Power levels in this entire arc are fucking inconsistent bullshit though.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Engelmann
Profile Joined October 2016
26 Posts
November 13 2016 14:54 GMT
#370
Nope, I'm pretty happy this has finally ended (and hopefully it really has). If this fight had needed to drag on for another episode with a cliffhanger, I would have been annoyed. It started out good when Black first appeared, very dark and evil, but started to turn to shit when it became about Zamasu and his narcissism. Some stupid megachurch in America or Korea is probably going to use this saga as a lesson on man's pride or some bullshit for one of their youth groups and how Jesus is the only benevolent God or some bullshit.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 13 2016 15:05 GMT
#371
On November 13 2016 20:30 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 11:43 LegalLord wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I can't help but feel like they really didn't do Vegito justice here. He fought well and had a few really good lines but they spoiled it with him just suddenly de-fusing with a stupid retcon like that.

Final Kamehameha was great though but yeah the retcon is annoying.

My favorite Vegito moment here was "sorry, you looked wide open there" while Fusion Zamasu was on one of his bizarre rants.

I wanted more of Vegito and so did everyone else though. Wtf.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
November 13 2016 15:29 GMT
#372
On November 14 2016 00:05 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 20:30 RvB wrote:
On November 13 2016 11:43 LegalLord wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I can't help but feel like they really didn't do Vegito justice here. He fought well and had a few really good lines but they spoiled it with him just suddenly de-fusing with a stupid retcon like that.

Final Kamehameha was great though but yeah the retcon is annoying.

My favorite Vegito moment here was "sorry, you looked wide open there" while Fusion Zamasu was on one of his bizarre rants.

I wanted more of Vegito and so did everyone else though. Wtf.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say the reason they brought back Vegito was because he's so popular and they could make more money with him.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 13 2016 15:44 GMT
#373
On November 14 2016 00:29 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 00:05 LegalLord wrote:
On November 13 2016 20:30 RvB wrote:
On November 13 2016 11:43 LegalLord wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I can't help but feel like they really didn't do Vegito justice here. He fought well and had a few really good lines but they spoiled it with him just suddenly de-fusing with a stupid retcon like that.

Final Kamehameha was great though but yeah the retcon is annoying.

My favorite Vegito moment here was "sorry, you looked wide open there" while Fusion Zamasu was on one of his bizarre rants.

I wanted more of Vegito and so did everyone else though. Wtf.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say the reason they brought back Vegito was because he's so popular and they could make more money with him.

That's true for Super as a whole
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
November 13 2016 15:56 GMT
#374
On November 14 2016 00:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 00:29 Elentos wrote:
On November 14 2016 00:05 LegalLord wrote:
On November 13 2016 20:30 RvB wrote:
On November 13 2016 11:43 LegalLord wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I can't help but feel like they really didn't do Vegito justice here. He fought well and had a few really good lines but they spoiled it with him just suddenly de-fusing with a stupid retcon like that.

Final Kamehameha was great though but yeah the retcon is annoying.

My favorite Vegito moment here was "sorry, you looked wide open there" while Fusion Zamasu was on one of his bizarre rants.

I wanted more of Vegito and so did everyone else though. Wtf.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say the reason they brought back Vegito was because he's so popular and they could make more money with him.

That's true for Super as a whole

I like to view Super as their way to try and make amends for some of the dumb shit they did in GT.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 13 2016 17:03 GMT
#375
spirit bomb 2.0
still liked the ep though
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 13 2016 18:03 GMT
#376
meh, episode was ok. The fights weren't too bad but the whole trunks part was a bit ridiculous. + Show Spoiler +
I like the fact that he stopped Zamasu himself but seriously, as mentioned before, power levels were ridiculous in this arc. It was acceptable until we had trunks become crazy strong like 5-6 episodes back out of anger (did like it though, the powerup lol) then now, they completely messed up vegito just to have trunks end up. Why not have trunks beat them before they fused, that way it looks less ridiculous?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 13 2016 18:10 GMT
#377
I just go with it without thinking too much. It's no less unfeasible than unlocking a fifty-fold increase in power from the rage of your childhood best friend dying to an evil all powerful space emperor. The series has been asspull after asspull from the start.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 20:22:45
November 13 2016 20:14 GMT
#378
Normally I wouldn't complain too much either but this arc power levels were just through the roof levels of total nonsense.

At one point Black by himself was strong enough to distort time and space with his scythe and take on Goku and Vegeta by himself. Fused Zamasu couldn't even produce an attack strong enough to beat Goku (alone) in a beam struggle. He fights okay-ish against Vegito (after both Vegeta and Goku got senzu'd) but then he has trouble overpowering Trunks.

And then Trunks starts somehow collecting the energy of every living being on Earth - which, A. how did he do that? and B. how did he get energy from that Android who probably doesn't even know who he is? Remember in the Buu arc when that was a problem? - and somehow gets an energy ball that size (significantly bigger than what Goku managed to do against the Saiyans on Earth despite actually knowing the technique). With most of humanity dead and few strong fighters around to give bonus energy. So that's just fabulous.

And apparently Gowasu is the only Kaioshin in the entire series who has a clue about anything. Maybe he should officially become the Supreme Kai of Exposition in the next Xenoverse game.

The bottom line for me is that way too much shit happened in this episode in like 15 minutes. It would have been better if these events had more time and they'd taken away some of the less important parts in the 20 episodes beforehand. This arc had a lot of good stuff but also some really weird shit going on and the ending felt way too rushed.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
November 13 2016 20:34 GMT
#379
Remember when they said that if Gohan trained, he would be the strongest fighter out of them all? I think Trunks is the same. That human half is what gave him that potential. Sucks it was wasted though.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 13 2016 20:50 GMT
#380
On November 14 2016 03:10 LegalLord wrote:
I just go with it without thinking too much. It's no less unfeasible than unlocking a fifty-fold increase in power from the rage of your childhood best friend dying to an evil all powerful space emperor. The series has been asspull after asspull from the start.

reminds me of how mad I got when they made Frieza put up a strong fight against Goku/Vegeta despite the former only training for a year while Goku/Vegeta have been intensely training forever...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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