Dragon Ball Super Discussion - Page 167

On January 29 2018 02:12 LegalLord wrote:
We all know it's basically a farce until Ultra Instinct comes back.

On January 29 2018 05:48 RvB wrote:

Where do you get the value from? All I see are yearly earnings of around 500m$ (60 billion yen).

On January 29 2018 05:24 DeepElemBlues wrote:
has it been two episodes since vegeta's last powerup yet?

must be time to give him another one then lol...

i dont think they've shown the peak of any of toppo, jiren, vegeta or goku.

beerus said that toppo hasn't mastered his GoD energy. duh he just tapped into it 2 seconds ago.

vegeta seems to be getting massive powerups every couple episodes now. i dont think he has actually achieved Perfect SSB yet but he will next episode or the episode after

goku hasn't perfected ultra instinct

jiren is nowhere near showing his 100%

jiren seemed like he wasn't very happy that toppo decided to go the GoD route, maybe something interesting will happen because of that? maybe they have goku and vegeta on the ropes but toppo goes too far and jiren eliminates him, robbing them of the chance to eliminate U7 before time runs out, and U11 loses with only jiren left but U7 still has vegeta and goku

we could still see both the kaioshins of U7 and U11 toss in their potaras as well

i think toppo will take out 17 and frieza next episode, the preview all but came out and said that was what is gonna happen. vegeta will get his final powerup and eliminate toppo. jiren will go to 100% and eliminate vegeta. then jiren will beat goku like a red headed stepchild for an episode or two before goku goes ultra instinct again. beerus or whis will say something that makes zero sense about how goku has perfected UI because something something and goku will win.

there's only what 5 episodes left? or 6? business is about to pick up

On January 29 2018 06:51 blade55555 wrote:


This doesn't appear to be Toppo's first time using this energy. This was not a random power up, he has been holding back due to confliction of justice and being a god of destruction, but has done it before, at least judging by what Belmod's Angel said "Time to see the results of his training (He being Toppo)".


It kinda surprised me that so many people forgot that Toppo wasn't using his full power against Goku during the exhibition match. Toppo was going to power up to full power, but was stopped by the grand priest. Neither one knew the full extent to each others powers, but it seemed obvious that Toppo was hiding a lot of his power. Being a candidate for god of destruction was another clue.

On January 29 2018 07:36 Dark_Chill wrote:
I'm now really confused about what God of Destruction means. Like, I thought all of the Gods were strong as shit and maybe chosen by the Angels. Like, the Angels bestow that title and power onto you if you accept. I feel like we were also lead to believe that you can't have two Gods of Destruction in the same universe.
And I'm definitely sure Gods of Destruction aren't allowed to participate in the tournament. That seems fairly broken.

On January 29 2018 07:36 Dark_Chill wrote:
I'm now really confused about what God of Destruction means. Like, I thought all of the Gods were strong as shit and maybe chosen by the Angels. Like, the Angels bestow that title and power onto you if you accept. I feel like we were also lead to believe that you can't have two Gods of Destruction in the same universe.
And I'm definitely sure Gods of Destruction aren't allowed to participate in the tournament. That seems fairly broken.

On January 29 2018 06:07 ShAsTa wrote:

Tbh it would be just as big a farce if Goku beats Jiren (with Ultra Instinct). Jiren has been shown to be miles and miles ahead of anyone but Goku manages to surpass him in 48 minutes? Maybe some day but not this fast.
U7 can still win but it should not happen by beating Jiren 1v1 imo.

On January 29 2018 04:37 blade55555 wrote:


He appears to be. I actually really like him. Out of all the fighters for Universe 7, he seems to be the one with the most common sense. He's not even trying to defeat Toppo, just trying to buy as much time so that they win when time runs out.

At first I didn't care for him to be added, but he's grown on me a lot this arc. I loved how he interrupted a transformation because the people were wide open (rebrienne and other girls), I really enjoy how he's doing everything as smart as he can. Really impressed with how the writers made him this arc.

On January 29 2018 06:49 MyLovelyLurker wrote:


Good point - I'm sticking a multiplier of 10 to 30 on those, in line with what the equity market currently prices for stable or growing cash flows, especially with a low cost structure (a ton of this comes from pure IP licencing, for instance to video game companies). This is totally in line with the probability-adjusted lifetime in years of the series, even with zero growth, given it's already been running for 35 years. Another way of getting to it is by simply looking at the lifetime value of merch sold so far - it's more than $5.3bn (source : en.wikipedia.org ), which means that balancing out remaining life expectancy of the series versus inflation of current dollars against the ones in the nineties to noughties (a very conservative assumption to make IMHO - especially since it doesn't price in future growth in international markets), the remaining value should be worth at least the past realized one.

DB appears, with this equivalent measure, in good position in this list of the most valuable media franchises from Wikipedia : en.wikipedia.org

Common business sense tells us it's not going anywhere.

On January 29 2018 12:52 andrewlt wrote:


Definitely not going anywhere but it did have a bit of a hiatus in terms of having new content until the past few years. The entire company is only worth $7.3 billion USD, though, so that puts a ceiling on your estimates. Of course, Japanese companies aren't managed like western companies but it doesn't look like there's a lot of money losers among their IPs.

Interesting that toys and hobbies are almost as big as network content (which I assume are tv and movies). Both are roughly double the revenue of the video game business. The Bandai part is still much bigger than the Namco part.

On January 29 2018 10:09 Nakajin wrote:


It would be funny if DBS ended without a single Goku victory (lost to berrus, lost to frieza, lost to hit, lost to black and finaly lost to Jiren)

On January 29 2018 18:19 MyLovelyLurker wrote:


Agree with your objection and the objection to your objection - granted, American valuation levels are undergoing a bit of a Kaioken phase :-) Yet, I did not fully comprehend the sheer size of the DB franchise until I looked numbers up. For instance, it made more money last year than Terminator Genisys grossed in box office (sure, not the best in the series, but still the second highest grossing at $440mill +- budget and DVD sales), or The Matrix Revolutions ($427mill). That is not your average anime, and I wouldn't have put such a high price tag on my 15 minutes of Sunday morning youtubing, maybe because of the show's goofiness.

So, with that in mind, and the same feeling as you regarding inconsistencies (Goku even sold Gohan's smarts to Beerus) and improvisation in storytelling, where does that leave us ? Bandai probably has as many financial and strategy analysts dedicated to making '18 earning forecasts happen as Toei has storyboard screenwriters (at least judging by the horrendous quality of ToP filler material). A hiatus is necessary and will most likely happen, but too many people have incentives to keep it very short lived.