EPTOne more question and I'm out....Why did smokey kill Mr. Eko, but not Locke?
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Faraday
United States553 Posts
One more question and I'm out....Why did smokey kill Mr. Eko, but not Locke? | ||
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TechnoZerg
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paralleluniverse
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On January 13 2012 21:11 Soliduok wrote: Firstly, I want to say that I loooooved this show. I havent seen it in a while but will probably watch it again sometime soon. I can't remember very well, but I think Michael was not in purgatory at the very end. Why was he not there? Was his soul still trapped? Yes | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:13 Faraday wrote: Please answer my other question also because, if this is the case, doesn't that mean that Jacob did not have anything to do with bringing the candidates on the island? (and instead it was that whole chain reaction Dharma..energy breach...hatch...power beam that brings the plane down) Jacob pushed the lives of the Losties in such a way that they got on the plane. If you have the scenes or want to look it up on YouTube, find when Sawyer is talking to Locke (MIB) in the cave of names and when Jacob explains himself to the candidates in "What They Died For". | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
1. So the smoke thing, that is Jacobs brother wanted to leave the island. Why not let him just leave the island?I know he is evil but would he had magical powers beyond the island and kan kill people with magic outside of the island? 2. Why is there a need for a protector of the island? The island have that light that can be used for a lot of useful things outside of the island (healing, time travel, technology). What good does the light do if it is only on the island? 3. Would the protector of island, Jacob, be powerful outside of the island? 4. Would Richard be immortal outside of the island? | ||
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Resent
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paralleluniverse
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On January 13 2012 21:24 Faraday wrote: "It caused what they were trying to prevent" .... ok now I get it, it did not explode, and in fact what happened was the result of them trying to prevent what happened......(or something like this LOL) One more question and I'm out....Why did smokey kill Mr. Eko, but not Locke? No, it did explode. The explosion IS "The Incident", it's what caused the massive release of electromagnetic energy, which caused the DHARMA people to concrete off the whole area, and implement the button-pushing protocol at the Swan Station. On your second question, because Eko didn't repent, and the MIB needed Locke to manipulate. He also can't kill Locke, his a candidate. | ||
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julianto
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Michael's actor is so annoying to watch. He almost always opens his mouth as if that's the only way he knows how to portray a surprised face. FFS you're not IMMVP. | ||
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Faraday
United States553 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:41 paralleluniverse wrote: No, it did explode. The explosion IS "The Incident", it's what cause a massive release of electromagnetic energy, which caused the DHARMA people to concrete off the whole area, and implement the button protocol at the Swan Station. On your second question, because Eko didn't repent, and the MIB needed Locke to manipulate. He also can't kill Locke, he's a candidate. Ok thanx for clarifying  On my second question: Why did he need to punish the ones that didn't repent? And also: if Mr. Eko did not repent, wasn't that MIB's best proof that people were in fact how he says they are?(evil selfish etc...) Wasn't he trying to prove this? Why kill him? | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
The biggest problem Lost developed aren't so much straight up plot holes, but trying to cover those plot holes up by either not addressing them ('leaving them to the viewer's imagination' as you said) or explaining them with some of the biggest Deus Ex Machinas I've seen. Let's take what was maybe the biggest mystery in Lost - the smoke monster. The explanation behind it? There's a light on the island. It's magic and a normal person was pushed into it. He can now pretend to be anyone that died on the island and he's also a smoke monster. Why? Because the light is magic ofc! This is not a good explanation. For 3 seasons, we were completely in doubt whether there was any magic involved in Lost at all. Everyone tried to find explanations for the odd things that happened. For them to explain all those things - Jacob, the smoke monster, Richard, time travel, magical healing, dead people appearing, and on and on - by saying 'there's a magical light/energy on the island that does all of this, so now it's all explained' is utterly terrible story writing. Had they gone the opposite route and explained the light and its meaning in the first season, much of the show's mystery might have been lost, but there would be much less complaining now. Everyone would've accepted that there's a certain premise of a magic energy on the island that you have to accept in order to understand Lost and its world. But to introduce that pivotal, all-explaining thing only in the last season, and supposedly have it 'explain' not only the smoke monster, but everything strange on the island? Can't you see how everyone thinks that's just a huge cop out? I could go on and on about this. So many things, from the temple they only introduced in the last season to the significance of the numbers (and please, don't pretend that 'they're just numbers' and don't have any significance to the show) were left relatively unexplained. Additionally, both character development and writing went utterly downhill, especially the last season. At the end of the show, they'd pretty much destroyed every single character except for maybe Hurley. Kate changing her mind about who she wants to follow, kill and have sex with about 10 times per episode, Sawyer going from independent conman to overly-concerned husband with one facial expression (wtf), Sun seemingly only existing to say 'I waant to fiind my huusbaand' and the complete and utter destruction of two of the coolest characters in Lost - Ben and Locke. Lost had great potential, but it turned into a cliched soap opera with some mystery that made little sense. /rant | ||
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paralleluniverse
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On January 13 2012 21:33 TechnoZerg wrote: when jack forced that dude not to type the numbers in the computer and the earthquake happened, what was the consequence? (i know desmund went to the basement and put a key in something and then everything went back to normal) it was Eko, not Jack. The energy under the Swan Station was released causing the Swan to implode, the sky to turn purple, and it gave Desmond flashes of the future (since the exotic matter under the Swan is what is responsible for time travel). | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:37 papaz wrote: I read through most of the questions and hope these haven't been answered before: 1. So the smoke thing, that is Jacobs brother wanted to leave the island. Why not let him just leave the island?I know he is evil but would he had magical powers beyond the island and kan kill people with magic outside of the island? 2. Why is there a need for a protector of the island? The island have that light that can be used for a lot of useful things outside of the island (healing, time travel, technology). What good does the light do if it is only on the island? 3. Would the protector of island, Jacob, be powerful outside of the island? 4. Would Richard be immortal outside of the island? 1. The MIB would likely still have his powers off the Island, since everyone who had powers on the Island also had them off the Island. But I guess we will never know. Jacob didn't want the MIB to leave because he thinks the MIB is evil. The MIB hates humans. 2. The Mother's explanation is because the Light needs to be protected from humans. But I doubt there must be a protector, and that a universe-ending time paradox would occur if there were not a protector. As the MIB said, the Island is just a rock (with a Light at the center), and it doesn't necessarily need protection. 3. Yes, most likely. Jacob has been seen influencing the lives of the candidates off the Island and seems to be able to come and go as he pleases. 4. As above, we really haven't seen anyone with powers only on the Island, but not off the Island. So again, from everything we've seen we would have to infer he would keep his immortality. Richard also did come and go from the Island like Jacob, for example to recruit Juliet. However, Richard lost his immortality when Jacob died. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:51 Faraday wrote: Ok thanx for clarifying On my second question: Why did he need to punish the ones that didn't repent? And also: if Mr. Eko did not repent, wasn't that MIB's best proof that people were in fact how he says they are?(evil selfish etc...) Wasn't he trying to prove this? Why kill him? The MIB has a thing for scanning and judging people. The MIB has presumably seen countless corrupt people come to the Island, and the burden on proof seems to be on Jacob to find good people, hence MIB's statement: "They come, they fight, they destroy, it always ends the same". Eko didn't repent, and the MIB didn't like that, so he killed him. In fact, Ben seemed to believe that that was the purpose of the Smoke Monster, when he told Locke (who was the Smoke Monster) that he is going to The Temple to be judged by it. It's the MIB's style. | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
extra info i think jack and john were there and once they got in the walls like closed down(like the walls in moives where they slowly go down and trap people) sry if its not clear which scene i'm talking about its just i've only watch it once and it was ages ago, thx in advcane in explaining this | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:55 Orome wrote: + Show Spoiler + This is going to contain a lot of negativity so let me preface that I thoroughly enjoyed the beginning of Lost, particularly the first season. It was a great mystery show, fun to watch, with lots of suspense. The writing, characters and acting were never close to as good as series like the Sopranos and the Wire, but hey, it was still cool to watch. The biggest problem Lost developed aren't so much straight up plot holes, but trying to cover those plot holes up by either not addressing them ('leaving them to the viewer's imagination' as you said) or explaining them with some of the biggest Deus Ex Machinas I've seen. Let's take what was maybe the biggest mystery in Lost - the smoke monster. The explanation behind it? There's a light on the island. It's magic and a normal person was pushed into it. He can now pretend to be anyone that died on the island and he's also a smoke monster. Why? Because the light is magic ofc! This is not a good explanation. For 3 seasons, we were completely in doubt whether there was any magic involved in Lost at all. Everyone tried to find explanations for the odd things that happened. For them to explain all those things - Jacob, the smoke monster, Richard, time travel, magical healing, dead people appearing, and on and on - by saying 'there's a magical light/energy on the island that does all of this, so now it's all explained' is utterly terrible story writing. Had they gone the opposite route and explained the light and its meaning in the first season, much of the show's mystery might have been lost, but there would be much less complaining now. Everyone would've accepted that there's a certain premise of a magic energy on the island that you have to accept in order to understand Lost and its world. But to introduce that pivotal, all-explaining thing only in the last season, and supposedly have it 'explain' not only the smoke monster, but everything strange on the island? Can't you see how everyone thinks that's just a huge cop out? I could go on and on about this. So many things, from the temple they only introduced in the last season to the significance of the numbers (and please, don't pretend that 'they're just numbers' and don't have any significance to the show) were left relatively unexplained. Additionally, both character development and writing went utterly downhill, especially the last season. At the end of the show, they'd pretty much destroyed every single character except for maybe Hurley. Kate changing her mind about who she wants to follow, kill and have sex with about 10 times per episode, Sawyer going from independent conman to overly-concerned husband with one facial expression (wtf), Sun seemingly only existing to say 'I waant to fiind my huusbaand' and the complete and utter destruction of two of the coolest characters in Lost - Ben and Locke. Lost had great potential, but it turned into a cliched soap opera with some mystery that made little sense. /rant This is pretty much spot on imo. I'll keep out of this thread from now on as it's about answering questions about Lost and not about discussing it's value as a TV series. | ||
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Shorty90
Germany154 Posts
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crazyweasel
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did the corpes the black smoke used to take human appearance still had a part of theirself acting even under the influence of the black smoke - (eg. - christian took care of claire if i remember good -and obviously of all the characters if we look at the ending). | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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