EPT[TV] I will answer your LOST questions - Page 8
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crazyweasel
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AegonC
United States260 Posts
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Inertia_EU
United Kingdom513 Posts
 I loved LOST. | ||
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Holdinga
Bulgaria300 Posts
Why did Ben be an awesome character with a lot of control in the beginning then in the end he turned out to be just a regular guy pushed over by anyone? | ||
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
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Holdinga
Bulgaria300 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:55 mechavoc wrote: why was echo killed? Mr Eko's death was also something unplanned. The actor left the show and they had to just kill him off. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
Edit, for my question: Where did all the kerosene torches come from? (Don't tell me jet fuel from the plane crash, the wreckage exploded almost immediately) | ||
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Holdinga
Bulgaria300 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 21:55 Orome wrote: This is going to contain a lot of negativity so let me preface that I thoroughly enjoyed the beginning of Lost, particularly the first season. It was a great mystery show, fun to watch, with lots of suspense. The writing, characters and acting were never close to as good as series like the Sopranos and the Wire, but hey, it was still cool to watch. The biggest problem Lost developed aren't so much straight up plot holes, but trying to cover those plot holes up by either not addressing them ('leaving them to the viewer's imagination' as you said) or explaining them with some of the biggest Deus Ex Machinas I've seen. Let's take what was maybe the biggest mystery in Lost - the smoke monster. The explanation behind it? There's a light on the island. It's magic and a normal person was pushed into it. He can now pretend to be anyone that died on the island and he's also a smoke monster. Why? Because the light is magic ofc! This is not a good explanation. For 3 seasons, we were completely in doubt whether there was any magic involved in Lost at all. Everyone tried to find explanations for the odd things that happened. For them to explain all those things - Jacob, the smoke monster, Richard, time travel, magical healing, dead people appearing, and on and on - by saying 'there's a magical light/energy on the island that does all of this, so now it's all explained' is utterly terrible story writing. Had they gone the opposite route and explained the light and its meaning in the first season, much of the show's mystery might have been lost, but there would be much less complaining now. Everyone would've accepted that there's a certain premise of a magic energy on the island that you have to accept in order to understand Lost and its world. But to introduce that pivotal, all-explaining thing only in the last season, and supposedly have it 'explain' not only the smoke monster, but everything strange on the island? Can't you see how everyone thinks that's just a huge cop out? I could go on and on about this. So many things, from the temple they only introduced in the last season to the significance of the numbers (and please, don't pretend that 'they're just numbers' and don't have any significance to the show) were left relatively unexplained. Additionally, both character development and writing went utterly downhill, especially the last season. At the end of the show, they'd pretty much destroyed every single character except for maybe Hurley. Kate changing her mind about who she wants to follow, kill and have sex with about 10 times per episode, Sawyer going from independent conman to overly-concerned husband with one facial expression (wtf), Sun seemingly only existing to say 'I waant to fiind my huusbaand' and the complete and utter destruction of two of the coolest characters in Lost - Ben and Locke. Lost had great potential, but it turned into a cliched soap opera with some mystery that made little sense. /rant While in some sense many of the powers of the Island and the Monster can simply be explained away by the propreties of the Light or exotic matter under the Island, this is still a rather simplistic view. A more detailed examination finds the truth to be slightly more nuanced. The Light or exotic matter seems to be associated with life after death. Both Juliet, after the detonation of Jughead, and Desmond, after being exposed to the Swan implosion and being blasted with massive electromagnetic energy by Widmore's men, experienced flashes of their afterlife. It seems that being exposed to this Light, and having a near death experience will cause you to see the afterlife. To add to this, the Mother explains the Light as both life and death and that going down the Light is worse than death. While this in some ways is a caveman's explanation of fire, it still does corroborate the theory. So it isn't so surprising that, the Light, the existence of dead spirits on the Island (the whispers), the flash-sideways, and the Man in Black being thrown into the Light and turned into a Smoke Monster that can take the form of dead people, are all connected. The Man in Black's body died, he's consciousness seemed to infuse with the Light, giving him the power to take the form of dead people, because the Light is quite possibly related to the spirits or souls of the dead. A more scientific perspective came with the DHARMA Initiative who experimented with this Light, it was exotic matter and can also be harnessed for time travel. Your points on character development are completely absurd. Once Kate got off the Island in Season 4, she was never with Sawyer again, she was with Jack. In fact, Kate never really had a serious relationship with Sawyer. And Sawyer's character development from being a con artist, finding the person who killed his parents on the Island and murdering him, being stuck on the Island in the 70s, loving Juliet and then watching her die, all of this was masterfully executed. Your points on Locke and Ben are also quite nonsensical. Locke lived a sad life, had faith in the Island, gave everything for the Island, and in the end he did everything he was told, and was tricked and used by the MIB. He did everything he could to try and get those who left to return to the Island, he thought he had failed and at the lowest point of his life, he was betrayed and murdered by Ben. His entire life was devastating and sad, he had complete faith in the Island, yet it never paid off, and this tragedy was heart-wrenching, yet also masterfully pulled off. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:54 Holdinga wrote: How did the egyptians get on the island? Is there a logical explanation for that? Why did Ben be an awesome character with a lot of control in the beginning then in the end he turned out to be just a regular guy pushed over by anyone? 1. Either Jacob brought them to the Island or they shipwrecked onto the Island like the people before them. It really doesn't matter which is the case. 2. That is not a really question. Ben was the leader of the Others, he is manipulative and a liar, so at the start we believed he knew more than he really did. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:22 Hesmyrr wrote: I thought this thread was going to be about investigative TV show that literally figures out answer for security questions one need to answer to retrieve their password... I have no idea where I got this idea from -_- It's the Blast Door Map. A map made by Kelvin of all the DHARMA stations on this Island. You can have a closer look here. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Blast_door_map | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:50 crazyweasel wrote: jack's father is there at the end of the series when they all gather. if you remember in the first season jack follows his dad and finds the caves. we've seen the black smoke take the dead's appearance a couple times ex. Yami (eko's bro) and Locke. was christian shepard the black smoke or maybe jacob (he says to locke when hes about to spin the wheel that he can speak for him)? did the corpes the black smoke used to take human appearance still had a part of theirself acting even under the influence of the black smoke - (eg. - christian took care of claire if i remember good -and obviously of all the characters if we look at the ending). Yes, the Christian Shepard that appeared on the Island was the Smoke Monster. The Smoke Monster has access to the dead persons memories and mannerisms, but it's completely the Man in Black. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:30 Orome wrote: You're clutching at straws with the exotic matter essay. As for the character development part, well let's just say we disagree a lot on that part. It's somewhat beyond me how anyone can put Lost character development and masterfully executed in the same sentence. Again agreed. Even with the far fetched scientific explanation of "exotic matter" it's still presented as magic. It's used to time travel, it moves the island, it turns people into immortal demigods, it makes people see life after death, and many other things i can't remember. In the end it's as close to magic as you can come, even Star Wars does a better job of trying to explain the force in a scientific manner than Lost does with it's "island light magic". | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:49 Shorty90 wrote: Hmmm... I have a few Unanswered LOST Questions! On January 13 2012 23:10 Holdinga wrote: And btw if the OP takes his time and answers absolutely every question in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVfltbxAgA and honestly says that he thinks his answers are plausible and reasonable I will rate it in imdb a 10, rather than a 7 I just had a watch of that video. Most of those "questions" aren't even questions, and most of them are completely stupid, or self-evident and obvious. Why did the Monster killed the Pilot? Who cares? Because the MIB doesn't like people, and because he can. What did Locke see? A bright light. He said that like a few scenes after if I recall. Why is this even asked? Why is there a polar bear in the comic? ... Because the comic artist drew one...? and so on. There's a 10 question limit per post as given in the OP. If you can pick out 10 serious questions from that video I'd be surprised, but I'd be happy to answer them. | ||
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Suvorov
294 Posts
Equally important is having some sense of realism. Magic I can understand, but if planes fall and water drowns people, then being a fucking 'survivor' on an unknown island, should, at least for the first season or so, lead to ragged clothes, faces, and so forth. Everybody has make-up, looks so fucking tidy and clean...that's fucking bullshit. Sun/Saltwater alone should leave its toll on your external appearance. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:52 crazyweasel wrote: was locke right about destiny/fate ? or was it jack ? Shit happens, whether you call it density or fate is semantics. There was definitely something special about the Island as Locke claimed, but the only thing he got from his faith in faith Island is being manipulated by the MIB and killed by Ben. Jack developed faith in the Island, and understood that there was a purpose and reason he was there, the second time around. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 22:53 AegonC wrote: The OP is very clever by implying that his thread got him banned on the WoW forums because no mods will close this now or they will be saying teamliquid is no better than a WoW forum. I didn't get banned on the WoW forums for this thread. I got banned on the WoW forums for vigorously conveying a dissenting viewpoint -- on many occasions. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:02 Zealotdriver wrote: So many trollicious questions, this thread is better than I expected. Edit, for my question: Where did all the kerosene torches come from? (Don't tell me jet fuel from the plane crash, the wreckage exploded almost immediately) Hollywood magic. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 13 2012 23:30 Orome wrote: You're clutching at straws with the exotic matter essay. As for the character development part, well let's just say we disagree a lot on that part. It's somewhat beyond me how anyone can put Lost character development and masterfully executed in the same sentence. What do you think the writers where thinking when they wrote this? Mother [about the Light]: Life, death, rebirth.. "How should we really screw with our viewer's mind and give them absolutely nothing about this Light?" Given the writing, theme and motifs of the show, it's not so surprising that the Smoke Monster can take the form of dead people, as opposed to, say, being a futuristic swarm of nanobots. | ||
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