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On January 13 2012 20:14 jeremysaint wrote:
comparing lost to portal strikes a nerve. portal 2 was in fact planned. valve didnt just get halfway through the game and start introducing craziness on top of craziness in a fashion that was insulting to the audience.
Craziness on top of craziness? It really wasn't that hard to understand.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=4#78
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On January 13 2012 18:43 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:35 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:12 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 18:05 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 Hammer442 wrote:On January 13 2012 17:52 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:
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This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind. As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd. On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote:
He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though. I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with. Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show. If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers. No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given. There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written. On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:
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But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.  I told you why it was dropped. The actor outgrew his role. You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason. Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out". After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost. Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start. Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance. You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole. What exactly do you want? I don't really want anything. I just get annoyed by the way you disregard critique and downplay things to make your precious show look better. This argument would be done and over with if you'd just written: "Yeah the Walt part could have been interesting but they decided to kill his storyline. Oh well it is what it is, lets keep the other questions coming!" instead of the snobbish attitude and the whole "He could kill birds, that's about it" bs.
To explain what's going on here, karpo thinks you were in on the meetings when they decided what to do with the show and want's an explanation of WHY not WHAT. He doesn't realize that you were just another viewer that's expressing what you saw or read up on based on interviews etc. He keeps on calling you a fanboy because you "disregard critique and downplay things" when you've just been reiterating events that occurred through the show AS IS - I could have gotten the information you're giving from a wiki. TBH he seems more of a fan than anyone in this thread so far based on how much he wants the walt storyline to be resolved lol.
TL;DR: Troll here, nothing new.
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Well, you could explain everything in Lost, But "mystery" and "magic" aren't sufficient for me, sorry, when up until season 4, everything started off mysterious as hell, but turned out to be completely normal as the survivors got to know them. The Dharma, polar bears, the others, everything. Then after season 4, they started their bullshit with "magic". Moving the island, the exit from the island is in the middle of the desert...really? The whole point of the show was to destroy the mystery around the strange things ocurring in the island. Then suddenly
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Nah.
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When did Locke really die?
When Locke came back to the Island after he died, was that the man in black that took his form?
What is that "Wheel/Sundial"(and it's purpose) in that tower with all their names inscribed on it? (can't remember exactly what it was)
What happened to Faraday in the end?
(Btw, I felt that your Mythos explanation was crystal clear!)
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On January 13 2012 20:43 valaki wrote:Well, you could explain everything in Lost, But "mystery" and "magic" aren't sufficient for me, sorry, when up until season 4, everything started off mysterious as hell, but turned out to be completely normal as the survivors got to know them. The Dharma, polar bears, the others, everything. Then after season 4, they started their bullshit with "magic". Moving the island, the exit from the island is in the middle of the desert...really? The whole point of the show was to destroy the mystery around the strange things ocurring in the island. Then suddenly + Show Spoiler +Nah.
The "magic" you speak of is referred to as exotic matter, which is a concept from physics. It was actually introduced in Season 2, before Season 4. Exotic matter is what is under the Swan Station, and what causes the electromagnetism there. And it's what causes the Island to be capable of time travel.
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You have to keep in mind that the Show was unable to answer all the questions because each answer will create more questions. It's impossible to make a 6 season long, complex plot, that answers everything.
You have to accept there is people with supernatural gifts, Walt grew too old, and that chance happened (like Hurley becoming "unlucky" after winning lottery, or characters meeting before they arrive to the island) in order to see the whole picture.
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On January 13 2012 20:46 Faraday wrote:
When did Locke really die?
When Locke came back to the Island after he died, was that the man in black that took his form?
What is that "Wheel/Sundial"(and it's purpose) in that tower with all their names inscribed on it? (can't remember exactly what it was)
What happened to Faraday in the end?
(Btw, I felt that your Mythos explanation was crystal clear!)
1. When Ben choked him to death, off the Island.
2. Yes.
3. A device Jacob uses to see the lives of his candidates.
4. He gets shot by his mother and dies.
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On January 13 2012 20:43 valaki wrote:Well, you could explain everything in Lost, But "mystery" and "magic" aren't sufficient for me, sorry, when up until season 4, everything started off mysterious as hell, but turned out to be completely normal as the survivors got to know them. The Dharma, polar bears, the others, everything. Then after season 4, they started their bullshit with "magic". Moving the island, the exit from the island is in the middle of the desert...really? The whole point of the show was to destroy the mystery around the strange things ocurring in the island. Then suddenly + Show Spoiler +Nah.
Why does the Ring make Frodo invisible? How does gandalf do all that?
How does Harry Potter waves his wand and some magical "Bambi" appears?
how is Daenerys Targaryen impervious to fire?
And the point of the show wasn't to destroy the mystery arround the strange things ocurring in the island. . It was more like to embrace the mystery. It's a freaking Mystery Box...It's supposed to be "magical".
It's like the Freakin Briefcase on Pulp Fiction
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Why do they want to detonate that bomb on the island?
Did Desmond with that contraption bring the plane down on the Island or was it Jacob?
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On January 13 2012 20:36 wolfhead wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:43 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 18:35 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:12 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 18:05 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 Hammer442 wrote:On January 13 2012 17:52 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:
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But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind. As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd. On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote:
He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though. I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with. Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show. If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers. No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given. There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written. On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:
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If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me. I told you why it was dropped. The actor outgrew his role. You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason. Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out". After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost. Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start. Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance. You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole. What exactly do you want? I don't really want anything. I just get annoyed by the way you disregard critique and downplay things to make your precious show look better. This argument would be done and over with if you'd just written: "Yeah the Walt part could have been interesting but they decided to kill his storyline. Oh well it is what it is, lets keep the other questions coming!" instead of the snobbish attitude and the whole "He could kill birds, that's about it" bs. To explain what's going on here, karpo thinks you were in on the meetings when they decided what to do with the show and want's an explanation of WHY not WHAT. He doesn't realize that you were just another viewer that's expressing what you saw or read up on based on interviews etc. He keeps on calling you a fanboy because you "disregard critique and downplay things" when you've just been reiterating events that occurred through the show AS IS - I could have gotten the information you're giving from a wiki. TBH he seems more of a fan than anyone in this thread so far based on how much he wants the walt storyline to be resolved lol. TL;DR: Troll here, nothing new.
He sounds exactly like infinite numbers of lost viewers I've seen before. He's hardly a troll.
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On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote:
Why do they want to detonate that bomb on the island?
They thought the reaction will put them back to their time, actually, that was your idea lol
PS: The well they were digging was on top of a huge pocket of special matter that affects the island provoking things like time traveling, healing, unfertility, etc
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On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote:
Why do they want to detonate that bomb on the island?
Because they believed it would prevent (the DHARMA Initiative from breaching the energy under the Swan site, which caused the Hatch to be built, which meant that one day Desmond would forget to push the button, which caused) the crash of Oceanic 815, and that their lives after this "reset" would be better, because they would have never crashed onto the Island.
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On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote:
Did Desmond with that contraption bring the plane down on the Island or was it Jacob?
Desmond failing to push the button in time caused a large release of electromagnetic energy which crashed Oceanic 815.
Jacob influenced the lives of the Losties, in such a way that brought them to the Island. So in a sense, this was all Jacob's plan.
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Firstly, I want to say that I loooooved this show. I havent seen it in a while but will probably watch it again sometime soon.
I can't remember very well, but I think Michael was not in purgatory at the very end. Why was he not there? Was his soul still trapped?
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On January 13 2012 21:05 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote:
Why do they want to detonate that bomb on the island? Because they believed it would prevent (the DHARMA Initiative from breaching the energy under the Swan site, which caused the Hatch to be built, which meant that one day Desmond would forget to push the button, which caused) the crash of Oceanic 815, and that their lives after this "reset" would be better, because they would have never crashed onto the Island.
Please answer my other question also because, if this is the case, doesn't that mean that Jacob did not have anything to do with bringing the candidates on the island? (and instead it was that whole chain reaction Dharma..energy breach...hatch...power beam that brings the plane down)
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I think it would have been better if they had just skipped the whole religious mythology (or made it more subtle). It worked in the first seasons because you could imagine several possible theories it all but in the end they went down the same path that so many other shows have in on form or another. I was looking for something a bit more clever. I also think the show suffered from its own success, going off on too many tangents, and the lack of continuity. It often were like they started to tie a shoe lace, then run a couple of miles before finishing it.
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On January 13 2012 21:09 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote:
Did Desmond with that contraption bring the plane down on the Island or was it Jacob? Desmond failing to push the button in time caused a large release of electromagnetic energy which crashed Oceanic 815. Jacob influenced the lives of the Losties, in such a way that brought them to the Island. So in a sense, this was all Jacob's plan.
OK, so then did the bomb work or not? Did it explode and prevent this? What happened?
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Lost was awful, plain and simple.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 13 2012 21:15 Faraday wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 21:09 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote:
Did Desmond with that contraption bring the plane down on the Island or was it Jacob? Desmond failing to push the button in time caused a large release of electromagnetic energy which crashed Oceanic 815. Jacob influenced the lives of the Losties, in such a way that brought them to the Island. So in a sense, this was all Jacob's plan. OK, so then did the bomb work or not? Did it explode and prevent this? What happened?
No it did not work.
The bomb was the cause of the Incident.
It caused what they were trying to prevent.
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On January 13 2012 21:19 Sensator wrote:
Lost was awful, plain and simple.
So you see this thread, and you decide to click on it just blurt out this comment? ... wow how sad...
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