A few months back I made this thread on the WoW TV forums, then my forum account got banned. So I'm going to give this thread one last shot over here.
If anyone remembers or still cares about this show, a common complaint was that Lost did not answer any of the questions it kept raising over its 6 seasons. Since this is simply a false claim, mostly caused by a failure to recognize an answer when it hit you over the head or thinking some not-questions were questions, I will nonetheless answer your Lost questions here.
While I admit there were a few questions that were never answered, these were essentially inconsequential or left to your imagination.
To keep this thread tractable, I request that a single post should contain no more than 10 questions.
Also, please let these questions be better than some of the lame ones in my other thread, like "are there any other special islands?" or "how come Locke wasn't smart enough to realize Ben was tricking him?".
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
On January 13 2012 17:30 loladin wrote: How come Hurley didn't lose any weight?
The reason Hurley didn't lose much weight, if that even is a serious question, is because the whole of the first season (before they opened the Hatch and found food) took place over only 44 days (according to Lostpedia).
On January 13 2012 17:30 indigoawareness wrote: where did the polar bear come from?
The DHARMA Initiative brought polar bears to the island in the 70s and 80s for experimentation at the Hydra Station (refer to Mr Friendly's comment about the cages at the Hydra Station being used for the bears). The Hydra Station was designed for zoological research.
They were also brought onto the main island by the DHARMA Initiative (seen in the 2nd episode and a few times through the series), for experiments at the Orchid Station, or possibly used to turn the Frozen Wheel (explains how a polar bear skeleton was found in the Tunisian Desert).
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see.. should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
That's either bad writing, lack of planning, or writers not knowing anything about the media they write for.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
On January 13 2012 17:37 dAPhREAk wrote: what the hell was the point of that stupid little hut village....
That was just their cover to make themselves all look like scavengers living it rough. Along with with fake beards and the dirty clothes it made them look a lot less threatening.
On January 13 2012 17:38 nerfherder182 wrote: dezman and jack met when he was in australia but ended in the hatch anyways, how long was he there for?
Desmond met jack years before the plane crash(at the stadium doing some running), while he was doing surgery on his soon to be wife. Soon after that Desmond went on a yacht race around the world and ended up on the island.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
On January 13 2012 17:36 exog wrote: Where is the island?
What is the fog-monster?
What happened when they failed to enter the code in time?
1. The Island was somewhere in the South Pacific before it was moved with the Frozen Wheel, it's current location is unknown. It's still likely somewhere in the Pacific Ocean as the Ajira Flight that crashed onto it flew over the Pacific Ocean. Where exactly the Island is, is not important to the story.
2. The Smoke Monster is the Man in Black, Jacob's Brother.
3. The exotic matter under the Swan would be violently and abruptly released. This is the same exotic matter that is under the Orchid, it is the same as the Light at the Heart of the Island and it's responsible for the seemingly magical properties of the Island, in particular, it is what allows time travel.
On January 13 2012 17:37 dAPhREAk wrote: what the hell was the point of that stupid little hut village....
What hut village?
Are you talking about Dharmaville?
That's where the DHARMA Initiative lived when they came to the Island in the 70s, they built it.
He means the hut village that at the end of season 2 jack, saiyeed etc plan to attack based on michaels intel, which it was just a fake village to make them look like they are scavengers.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
On January 13 2012 17:38 nerfherder182 wrote: dezman and jack met when he was in australia but ended in the hatch anyways, how long was he there for?
Desmond spend something like 5+ years on the Island, maybe more. It was mentioned I believe, although I don't recall. Feel free to try and dig it up from Lostpedia if it's there.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd.
On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote: He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect that most of the feelings of not getting answers comes from casual viewers who haven't watched every episode.
I think the writers had some idea for the whole story arc when they made season 1, but after it became a big hit and tens of thousands of people started throwing random guesses on the internet, their initial idea was stumbled upon quickly. Their ego didnt let them admit one of the guesses was right and thats why they felt the need to change the story to something that no one can guess, which incidentally meant it had to be nonsensical and deeply unsatisfying.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Some people can do some stuff doesn't really answer the question so much as describe it. Imagine if I were describing my day and between what I had for breakfast and saying hi to my co-workers I said "so I flew my car to work", you'd have some questions. If I then said "stop asking about the car, I parked it and got on with the day" you'd probably feel that didn't adequately explain the flying car thing. If you pressed me for an answer and I said "the car flies" then while that would explain how I flew the car to work it still wouldn't clarify much. Now imagine the entire thing was fictional and that how I got to work had no relevance to the story at all and I could have just as easily said "I drove my car to work" if I had zero intention of using flying cars in the story or even explaining it.
On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote: what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ?
After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away.
The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down.
On January 13 2012 17:51 naux wrote: why is walt on the island at the end of the series?
Are you speaking of the epilogue, "The New Man in Charge"? If so, it's because Hurley, the new protector of the Island has a job for him.
no im not talking about hurley i know hurley is the new protector but you keep saying that they took walt out of the picture basically but if you seen the series they kept putting him back into the show from the flash forwards the thing is WALT "michaels son is back onto the island can you explain why?
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd.
On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote: He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show.
If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers.
No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
On January 13 2012 18:05 Trololol wrote: Who is Jacob? Who is/what is "The man in black"? What is so special about John?
Also, from what I recall there were supply drops containing food on the island that Hurley had found which also helps explain why he didnt lose weight
jacob is the protector of the island and the man in black is jacobs brother who is trying to leave the island nothing is special about john i mean nothing
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
I told you why it was dropped.
The actor outgrew his role.
You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason.
Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out".
After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd.
On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote: He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show.
If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers.
No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
I told you why it was dropped.
The actor outgrew his role.
You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason.
Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out".
After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Some people can do some stuff doesn't really answer the question so much as describe it. Imagine if I were describing my day and between what I had for breakfast and saying hi to my co-workers I said "so I flew my car to work", you'd have some questions. If I then said "stop asking about the car, I parked it and got on with the day" you'd probably feel that didn't adequately explain the flying car thing. If you pressed me for an answer and I said "the car flies" then while that would explain how I flew the car to work it still wouldn't clarify much. Now imagine the entire thing was fictional and that how I got to work had no relevance to the story at all and I could have just as easily said "I drove my car to work" if I had zero intention of using flying cars in the story or even explaining it.
If your looking for an answer of the sort like "genetic mutation being the next stage of human evolution" or "The Force used by Jedis comes from Midi-chlorians", then I must admit there is no answer given.
Whats up with the episode about Hugo being in a mental institution, then at the end of the episode we see that Libby was also in the institution with Hugo, although he never realizes. As far as I know this was never adressed in the show, and seriously irked me
sure you can answer questions, but u can't answer why there was time travel, moving islands or any other ridiculous supernatural shit. imo those really killed the show
On January 13 2012 17:51 naux wrote: why is walt on the island at the end of the series?
Are you speaking of the epilogue, "The New Man in Charge"? If so, it's because Hurley, the new protector of the Island has a job for him.
no im not talking about hurley i know hurley is the new protector but you keep saying that they took walt out of the picture basically but if you seen the series they kept putting him back into the show from the flash forwards the thing is WALT "michaels son is back onto the island can you explain why?
Sorry, I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
Are you talking about "Walt" appearing to Locke in the last episode of Season 3?
Micheal, Walt's father, came back to the Island. Walt didn't come back to the Island, he was seen after he left the Island, but that was all off-Island.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away.
The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down.
I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint.
If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself.
If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes.
I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things.
On January 13 2012 18:05 Trololol wrote: Who is Jacob? Who is/what is "The man in black"? What is so special about John?
Also, from what I recall there were supply drops containing food on the island that Hurley had found which also helps explain why he didnt lose weight
jacob is the protector of the island and the man in black is jacobs brother who is trying to leave the island nothing is special about john i mean nothing
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away.
The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down.
I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint.
If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself.
If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes.
I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things.
Ok, so it's not a true plothole. But saying that Walt is insignificant in the grand scheme of this when he was clearly meant to be a big part of the story from the start is weird.
You could say the exact same thing about Hurley if they wrote him of early and switched the story around to fit. It diminishes the overall feel of the series and just ignoring it and saying it doesn't matter just seem like you're reinforcing my belief that you're a defensive lost fanboy.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away.
The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down.
I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint.
If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself.
If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes.
I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things.
Ok, so it's not a true plothole. But saying that Walt is insignificant in the grand scheme of this when he was clearly meant to be a big part of the story from the start is weird.
You could say the exact same thing about Hurley if they wrote him of early and switched the story around to fit. It diminishes the overall feel of the series and just ignoring it and saying it doesn't matter just seem like you're reinforcing my belief that you're a defensive lost fanboy.
Agreed.
To have the kidnapping of Walt the cliffhanger of season 1 final episode and the amount of mystery involving him throughout the whole of season 1 just to write him off as insignifcant to ease your mind is not the right answer. The way they ended the story line obviously hasn't satisfied a lot of viewers so it was not handled well.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd.
On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote: He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show.
If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers.
No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
I told you why it was dropped.
The actor outgrew his role.
You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason.
Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out".
After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start.
Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance.
You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd.
On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote: He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show.
If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers.
No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote: [quote]
[quote] This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
I told you why it was dropped.
The actor outgrew his role.
You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason.
Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out".
After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start.
Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance.
You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole.
What exactly do you want?
I don't really want anything. I just get annoyed by the way you disregard critique and downplay things to make your precious show look better. This argument would be done and over with if you'd just written:
"Yeah the Walt part could have been interesting but they decided to kill his storyline. Oh well it is what it is, lets keep the other questions coming!" instead of the snobbish attitude and the whole "He could kill birds, that's about it" bs.
On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote: What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
What was the shining thing at the end?
What powers does the island have?
Why did Locke see Walt when he fell down?
Why are Richard and co immortal?
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers.
2. Hurley was a unlucky guy. There is no explanation beyond that.
3. Jacob was some guy who was born on the island with his brother, the Man in Black. Jacob forced into being the protector of the Island by his adoptive mother, and the Man in Black became the Smoke Monster when Jacob through him into the Light.
4. Light.
5. The Light at the Heart of the Island, which is the exotic matter that the DHARMA Initiative was experimenting with is responsible for the power of the Island, which includes time travel and teleportation. It almost surely is also the cause of the Island's healing properties.
6. It was the Man in Black.
7. Richard is immortal because Jacob gave him immortality. The Others are not immortal, only Richard is. Richard becomes mortal at the end of the series because Jacob died.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
it almost seems to me that you really really want to hate this show to nit pick at this. i watched the whole series, and I don't see how Walt could have possibly been a key role in the grand scheme of things. Iirc the writers had the whole story pretty well mapped out from the beginning, and there was no real indication to me that Walt was needed at any point rather than just being one of the characters of the show. There's no reason to believe that he was meant to have a pivotal role other than the observation that he had some powers. It's a really odd thing to nitpick at
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away.
The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down.
I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint.
If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself.
If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes.
I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things.
Ok, so it's not a true plothole. But saying that Walt is insignificant in the grand scheme of this when he was clearly meant to be a big part of the story from the start is weird.
You could say the exact same thing about Hurley if they wrote him of early and switched the story around to fit. It diminishes the overall feel of the series and just ignoring it and saying it doesn't matter just seem like you're reinforcing my belief that you're a defensive lost fanboy.
It is not clear that Walt was meant to have a much greater role in the story. Maybe slightly more air time than he really got, but certainly not more so than important characters like Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Desmond, Hurley, etc.
Although I have watched only the first 2 seasons of the show this is the main core concept behind Lost - the mystery box.
One of the producers of Lost gave explanation to his fascination with the idea of mystery in this video -> J.J Abrams - Mystery Box
From what I saw (the interviews and season 1 and 2) they (producers) said they created this mystery (the island) but then they never tried to come along with a full explanation for the whole bits and pieces from the show. I understand the finale tried to give a sorta good explanation for the entire show but because they introduced so many concepts as they got along it was hard to swallow it from the viewers point of view.
I remember watching some forums which had like 150 pages of explanation for Lost in season 1 and 2. I feel the people who had written good theories about the island were robbed of their explanation. Basically the writers decided from the get go to not give straight answers but just put here and there a little piece but never answer the whole (this including the end).
I think they've written the scenario behind Lost as they advanced in the show from one series to another and from episode to episode. Then in the end because it dragged for so long they put an end to it with the purgatory idea.
Sorry to ramble on this thread of yours "paralleluniverse"
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote: what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ?
After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on.
This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired.
On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote: [quote]
[quote] This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd.
On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote: He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show.
If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers.
No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote: [quote]
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
I told you why it was dropped.
The actor outgrew his role.
You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason.
Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out".
After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start.
Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance.
You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole.
What exactly do you want?
I don't really want anything. I just get annoyed by the way you disregard critique and downplay things to make your precious show look better. This argument would be done and over with if you'd just written:
"Yeah the Walt part could have been interesting but they decided to kill his storyline. Oh well it is what it is, lets keep the other questions coming!" instead of the snobbish attitude and the whole "He could kill birds, that's about it" bs.
I don't see what's wrong with what I wrote. I gave a truthful, accurate and correct account of what Walt has done on the show, and why he was written off the show.
On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote: [quote]
[quote] This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away.
The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down.
I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint.
If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself.
If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes.
I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things.
Ok, so it's not a true plothole. But saying that Walt is insignificant in the grand scheme of this when he was clearly meant to be a big part of the story from the start is weird.
You could say the exact same thing about Hurley if they wrote him of early and switched the story around to fit. It diminishes the overall feel of the series and just ignoring it and saying it doesn't matter just seem like you're reinforcing my belief that you're a defensive lost fanboy.
Agreed.
To have the kidnapping of Walt the cliffhanger of season 1 final episode and the amount of mystery involving him throughout the whole of season 1 just to write him off as insignifcant to ease your mind is not the right answer. The way they ended the story line obviously hasn't satisfied a lot of viewers so it was not handled well.
That's not really a mystery.
The reason they kidnapped Walt was because they believed he was special.
The Others also kidnapped kids in general, to brainwash them into joining, as they cannot procreate due to fertility problems on the Island. Women die when they give birth.
karpo wrote: There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write.
Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on.
Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
On January 13 2012 18:50 Angel[BTL] wrote: Although I have watched only the first 2 seasons of the show this is the main core concept behind Lost - the mystery box.
One of the producers of Lost gave explanation to his fascination with the idea of mystery in this video -> J.J Abrams - Mystery Box
From what I saw (the interviews and season 1 and 2) they (producers) said they created this mystery (the island) but then they never tried to come along with a full explanation for the whole bits and pieces from the show. I understand the finale tried to give a sorta good explanation for the entire show but because they introduced so many concepts as they got along it was hard to swallow it from the viewers point of view.
I remember watching some forums which had like 150 pages of explanation for Lost in season 1 and 2. I feel the people who had written good theories about the island were robbed of their explanation. Basically the writers decided from the get go to not give straight answers but just put here and there a little piece but never answer the whole (this including the end).
I think they've written the scenario behind Lost as they advanced in the show from one series to another and from episode to episode. Then in the end because it dragged for so long they put an end to it with the purgatory idea.
Sorry to ramble on this thread of yours "paralleluniverse"
OK.
Let me explain the whole Mythos of Lost for you. The explanation is simple.
Spoiler Alert.
There is an Island. Underneath this Island is exotic matter with strong electromagnetic properties that can be harnessed for time travel, for example. This is what makes this Island special. Since the beginning of human civilization people have accidentally stumbled upon the Island, lived there and died. In Ancient Roman times, a woman shipwrecks onto the Island and gives birth to 2 twins, Jacob and the Man in Black. As the twins grow up, Jacob eventually becomes the protector of the Island, while the Man in Black wants to leave the Island to see what is across the sea. The Man in Black eventually becomes the Smoke Monster.
After living amongst them, the Man in Black sees humans as evil and corrupt, and over the next 2000 years Jacob brings people to the Island to prove him wrong. But the Man in Black tries to manipulate these people into killing Jacob so that he can leave the Island. The Man in Black is evil incarnate.
Jacob recruits candidates to the Island to replace him as he realizes that the Man in Black will succeed in killing him someday. He recruits people with damaged and flawed lives, who were miserable in the world, people like Jack, Locke, Sawyer, Sun and Jin, etc. and brought them onto the Island to replace him and stop the Man in Black.
karpo wrote: There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write.
Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on.
Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote: what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ?
After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on.
This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired.
Like what mysteries? That's the point of this thread.
The flashsideways ending is only one ending.
I would suspect that people who gave up before season 6 wouldn't care about it. Instead they would likely care more about the ending of Island timeline.
On January 13 2012 19:17 Spitmode wrote: What was Season 6 all about? I really don't get it. Were they already dead? Or just some kind of parallel universe? Please explain
Everything that happened on the Island is real.
Everything that happened in the flashsideways is after they died, i.e. after the real Island timeline.
On January 13 2012 19:20 Danglars wrote: Who is "Evil" and who is "Good" in this show? And why is the bald guy Evil?
Good is Jacob and Evil is the Man in Black (although really, it's not this simple).
The Man in Black can take the form of dead people, which is why he looks like Locke, whose dead body was brought onto the Island.
The Man in Black is evil because he believes humans are corrupt, greedy and selfish, and he wants to leave the Island so badly that he is willing to kill anyone he needs to.
karpo wrote: There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write.
Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on.
Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did.
While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions?
karpo wrote: There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write.
Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on.
Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did.
While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions?
Nope is was the jumbling of timelines, the ending i really didn't enjoy, the explanations that ruined alot of the mystery (ie smoke monster), and the magical stuff like the wheel, the pool, and the shiny water thingie.
I liked the show when you didn't really know alot about the island, when the Dharma initiative was mysterious, the radio transmissions of the french woman, and the hatch/numbers/others were still interesting. In the end it turned out to be magic and age old extreme good versus extreme evil. Just felt like the possibilities were endless yet they settled on something pretty generic and, to me, quite boring in the end.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I feel the exact same way. Because basically:
On January 13 2012 18:00 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote: what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ?
After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on.
This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired.
Like what mysteries? That's the point of this thread.
The flashsideways ending is only one ending.
I would suspect that people who gave up before season 6 wouldn't care about it. Instead they would likely care more about the Island timeline.
Ok, I cannot give you any specifics now without watching those episodes again, and I am not gonna do that just now, I can just go by what I felt when watching the series. But there is always some new cliffhangers introduced, it is basically the concept of the whole show and later on they just become less meaningful.
I was wondering about the meaning of the purgetory-storyline all season 6 long, and when it finally got revealed I was just so disappointed, I liked the real world and you can basically justify anything with an afterlife-sequence, everything that happened can just be attributed with meaning in retrospect then, and that is not what I want. While in season 3 (I believe) it was so fun slowly discovering that the non-island story does not go back in time, but that they actually escaped from the island, that was really nicely set-up.
And the storyline gets kind of ridiculous in my opinion, when finally Penny's father with his private army and his submarine arrives. Or the completely unneccessary temple with all those until then unknown people at the beginning of season6, totally useless.
It didn't ruin the series for me, I still got all the enjoyment from watching a lot of episodes, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Of course I care about the flashsideways ending, it is basically the real ending which completes what happened on the island
On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote: What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
2. Hurley was a unlucky guy. There is no explanation beyond that.
This answer of yours on the last page stands out for me a little. It would really have been nice to get some hind who made those unlucky events happen. Jacob wants him as a candidate on the island, but the connection is a bit far fetched there, Hurley even kills some people to unlucky circumstances (a platform/terrasse breaking under his weight).
karpo wrote: There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write.
Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on.
Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did.
While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions?
Nope is was the jumbling of timelines, the ending i really didn't enjoy, the explanations that ruined alot of the mystery (ie smoke monster), and the magical stuff like the wheel, the pool, and the shiny water thingie.
I liked the show when you didn't really know alot about the island, when the Dharma initiative was mysterious, the radio transmissions of the french woman, and the hatch/numbers/others were still interesting. In the end it turned out to be magic and age old extreme good versus extreme evil. Just felt like the possibilities were endless yet they settled on something pretty generic and, to me, quite boring in the end.
Now I'm really confuzzled. You hated the show in large part because there were TOO MUCH answers?
I don't see how you can simply call it good and evil. The Man in Black was portrayed very sympathetically. I called it good and evil to be simplistic, because Jacob is meant to personify good and the Man in Black is meant to personify evil. But if you look deeper at their upbringing, and what each character has gone through it's more complex than simply that.
The "it's magic" complaint is one I hear rarely, and is out of everything you wrote, the only thing I personally feel is somewhat understandable.
karpo wrote: There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write.
Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on.
Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did.
While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions?
Nope is was the jumbling of timelines, the ending i really didn't enjoy, the explanations that ruined alot of the mystery (ie smoke monster), and the magical stuff like the wheel, the pool, and the shiny water thingie.
I liked the show when you didn't really know alot about the island, when the Dharma initiative was mysterious, the radio transmissions of the french woman, and the hatch/numbers/others were still interesting. In the end it turned out to be magic and age old extreme good versus extreme evil. Just felt like the possibilities were endless yet they settled on something pretty generic and, to me, quite boring in the end.
Now I'm really confuzzled. You hated the show in large part because there were TOO MUCH answers?
I don't see how you can simply call it good and evil. The Man in Black was portrayed very sympathetically. I called it good and evil to be simplistic, because Jacob is meant to personify good and the Man in Black is meant to personify evil. But if you look deeper at their upbringing, and what each character has gone through it's more complex than simply that.
The "it's magic" complaint is one I hear rarely, and is out of everything you wrote, the only thing I personally feel is somewhat understandable.
I for one don't need everything explained as i like movies and stories that leave stuff to the imagination. I just prefered the series when we were in the dark and everything had an eerie feel to it. The others were actually intimidating, black smoke was awesome, and the hatch/numbers/dharma tapes were interesting. The final seasons just had so much shit going down i lost interest. Time travel all over, magical caves, magical timetravel wheels, parrallel timelines, and so on.
It's kinda like Portal compared to Portal 2. I liked the first Portal game because they didn't try to explain everything and it felt freaky and mysterious. In Portal 2 they really wanted to give every character alot of backstory and they really pumped up the dialogue and everything went over the top.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I feel the exact same way. Because basically:
On January 13 2012 18:00 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote: what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ?
After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on.
This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired.
Like what mysteries? That's the point of this thread.
The flashsideways ending is only one ending.
I would suspect that people who gave up before season 6 wouldn't care about it. Instead they would likely care more about the Island timeline.
Ok, I cannot give you any specifics now without watching those episodes again, and I am not gonna do that just now, I can just go by what I felt when watching the series. But there is always some new cliffhangers introduced, it is basically the concept of the whole show and later on they just become less meaningful.
I was wondering about the meaning of the purgetory-storyline all season 6 long, and when it finally got revealed I was just so disappointed, I liked the real world and you can basically justify anything with an afterlife-sequence, everything that happened can just be attributed with meaning in retrospect then, and that is not what I want. While in season 3 (I believe) it was so fun slowly discovering that the non-island story does not go back in time, but that they actually escaped from the island, that was really nicely set-up.
And the storyline gets kind of ridiculous in my opinion, when finally Penny's father with his private army and his submarine arrives. Or the completely unneccessary temple with all those until then unknown people at the beginning of season6, totally useless.
It didn't ruin the series for me, I still got all the enjoyment from watching a lot of episodes, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Of course I care about the flashsideways ending, it is basically the real ending which completes what happened on the island
On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote: What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
2. Hurley was a unlucky guy. There is no explanation beyond that.
This answer of yours on the last page stands out for me a little. It would really have been nice to get some hind who made those unlucky events happen. Jacob wants him as a candidate on the island, but the connection is a bit far fetched there, Hurley even kills some people to unlucky circumstances (a platform/terrasse breaking under his weight).
Sure you can consider the flashsideways ending the real ending if you want. But the Island is real too and everything that happened on the Island is real.
If your opinion is that season 6 would have been better if there was no flashsideways and only the Island timeline was shown, then I feel that is a legitimate opinion for you to hold.
On your point about Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
comparing lost to portal strikes a nerve. portal 2 was in fact planned. valve didnt just get halfway through the game and start introducing craziness on top of craziness in a fashion that was insulting to the audience.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I feel the exact same way. Because basically:
On January 13 2012 18:00 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote: what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ?
After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on.
This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired.
Like what mysteries? That's the point of this thread.
The flashsideways ending is only one ending.
I would suspect that people who gave up before season 6 wouldn't care about it. Instead they would likely care more about the Island timeline.
Ok, I cannot give you any specifics now without watching those episodes again, and I am not gonna do that just now, I can just go by what I felt when watching the series. But there is always some new cliffhangers introduced, it is basically the concept of the whole show and later on they just become less meaningful.
I was wondering about the meaning of the purgetory-storyline all season 6 long, and when it finally got revealed I was just so disappointed, I liked the real world and you can basically justify anything with an afterlife-sequence, everything that happened can just be attributed with meaning in retrospect then, and that is not what I want. While in season 3 (I believe) it was so fun slowly discovering that the non-island story does not go back in time, but that they actually escaped from the island, that was really nicely set-up.
And the storyline gets kind of ridiculous in my opinion, when finally Penny's father with his private army and his submarine arrives. Or the completely unneccessary temple with all those until then unknown people at the beginning of season6, totally useless.
It didn't ruin the series for me, I still got all the enjoyment from watching a lot of episodes, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Of course I care about the flashsideways ending, it is basically the real ending which completes what happened on the island
On January 13 2012 18:45 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote: What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
2. Hurley was a unlucky guy. There is no explanation beyond that.
This answer of yours on the last page stands out for me a little. It would really have been nice to get some hind who made those unlucky events happen. Jacob wants him as a candidate on the island, but the connection is a bit far fetched there, Hurley even kills some people to unlucky circumstances (a platform/terrasse breaking under his weight).
If your opinion is that season 6 would have been better if there was no flashsideways and only the Island timeline was shown, then I feel that is a legitimate opinion for you to hold.
I just wanted the flashsideways to take place in the real world. I like it just more when there is no alternate dimension introduced. All in all, it was a good show.
karpo wrote: There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write.
Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on.
Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did.
While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions?
Nope is was the jumbling of timelines, the ending i really didn't enjoy, the explanations that ruined alot of the mystery (ie smoke monster), and the magical stuff like the wheel, the pool, and the shiny water thingie.
I liked the show when you didn't really know alot about the island, when the Dharma initiative was mysterious, the radio transmissions of the french woman, and the hatch/numbers/others were still interesting. In the end it turned out to be magic and age old extreme good versus extreme evil. Just felt like the possibilities were endless yet they settled on something pretty generic and, to me, quite boring in the end.
Now I'm really confuzzled. You hated the show in large part because there were TOO MUCH answers?
I don't see how you can simply call it good and evil. The Man in Black was portrayed very sympathetically. I called it good and evil to be simplistic, because Jacob is meant to personify good and the Man in Black is meant to personify evil. But if you look deeper at their upbringing, and what each character has gone through it's more complex than simply that.
The "it's magic" complaint is one I hear rarely, and is out of everything you wrote, the only thing I personally feel is somewhat understandable.
I for one don't need everything explained as i like movies and stories that leave stuff to the imagination. I just prefered the series when we were in the dark and everything had an eerie feel to it. The others were actually intimidating, black smoke was awesome, and the hatch/numbers/dharma tapes were interesting. The final seasons just had so much shit going down i lost interest. Time travel all over, magical caves, magical timetravel wheels, parrallel timelines, and so on.
It's kinda like Portal compared to Portal 2. I liked the first Portal game because they didn't try to explain everything and it felt freaky and mysterious. In Portal 2 they really wanted to give every character alot of backstory and they really pumped up the dialogue and everything went over the top.
Then what's your problem with Walt? He's mysterious and not explain, at least according to you.
Just to add my opinion, I loved all the mindfuck cliffhangers of the later seasons and heartwrenching character moments.
Happy to answer more questions if anyone has some.
On January 13 2012 20:14 jeremysaint wrote: comparing lost to portal strikes a nerve. portal 2 was in fact planned. valve didnt just get halfway through the game and start introducing craziness on top of craziness in a fashion that was insulting to the audience.
Craziness on top of craziness? It really wasn't that hard to understand.
On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote: [quote]
[quote] This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd.
On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote: He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show.
If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers.
No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote: [quote]
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
I told you why it was dropped.
The actor outgrew his role.
You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason.
Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out".
After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start.
Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance.
You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole.
What exactly do you want?
I don't really want anything. I just get annoyed by the way you disregard critique and downplay things to make your precious show look better. This argument would be done and over with if you'd just written:
"Yeah the Walt part could have been interesting but they decided to kill his storyline. Oh well it is what it is, lets keep the other questions coming!" instead of the snobbish attitude and the whole "He could kill birds, that's about it" bs.
To explain what's going on here, karpo thinks you were in on the meetings when they decided what to do with the show and want's an explanation of WHY not WHAT. He doesn't realize that you were just another viewer that's expressing what you saw or read up on based on interviews etc. He keeps on calling you a fanboy because you "disregard critique and downplay things" when you've just been reiterating events that occurred through the show AS IS - I could have gotten the information you're giving from a wiki. TBH he seems more of a fan than anyone in this thread so far based on how much he wants the walt storyline to be resolved lol. TL;DR: Troll here, nothing new.
Well, you could explain everything in Lost, But "mystery" and "magic" aren't sufficient for me, sorry, when up until season 4, everything started off mysterious as hell, but turned out to be completely normal as the survivors got to know them. The Dharma, polar bears, the others, everything. Then after season 4, they started their bullshit with "magic". Moving the island, the exit from the island is in the middle of the desert...really? The whole point of the show was to destroy the mystery around the strange things ocurring in the island. Then suddenly
On January 13 2012 20:43 valaki wrote: Well, you could explain everything in Lost, But "mystery" and "magic" aren't sufficient for me, sorry, when up until season 4, everything started off mysterious as hell, but turned out to be completely normal as the survivors got to know them. The Dharma, polar bears, the others, everything. Then after season 4, they started their bullshit with "magic". Moving the island, the exit from the island is in the middle of the desert...really? The whole point of the show was to destroy the mystery around the strange things ocurring in the island. Then suddenly
The "magic" you speak of is referred to as exotic matter, which is a concept from physics. It was actually introduced in Season 2, before Season 4. Exotic matter is what is under the Swan Station, and what causes the electromagnetism there. And it's what causes the Island to be capable of time travel.
You have to keep in mind that the Show was unable to answer all the questions because each answer will create more questions. It's impossible to make a 6 season long, complex plot, that answers everything.
You have to accept there is people with supernatural gifts, Walt grew too old, and that chance happened (like Hurley becoming "unlucky" after winning lottery, or characters meeting before they arrive to the island) in order to see the whole picture.
On January 13 2012 20:43 valaki wrote: Well, you could explain everything in Lost, But "mystery" and "magic" aren't sufficient for me, sorry, when up until season 4, everything started off mysterious as hell, but turned out to be completely normal as the survivors got to know them. The Dharma, polar bears, the others, everything. Then after season 4, they started their bullshit with "magic". Moving the island, the exit from the island is in the middle of the desert...really? The whole point of the show was to destroy the mystery around the strange things ocurring in the island. Then suddenly
Why does the Ring make Frodo invisible? How does gandalf do all that?
How does Harry Potter waves his wand and some magical "Bambi" appears?
how is Daenerys Targaryen impervious to fire?
And the point of the show wasn't to destroy the mystery arround the strange things ocurring in the island. . It was more like to embrace the mystery. It's a freaking Mystery Box...It's supposed to be "magical".
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind.
As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd.
On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote: He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though.
I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show.
If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers.
No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:
On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote: [quote] If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story.
There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well.
I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
I told you why it was dropped.
The actor outgrew his role.
You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason.
Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out".
After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start.
Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance.
You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole.
What exactly do you want?
I don't really want anything. I just get annoyed by the way you disregard critique and downplay things to make your precious show look better. This argument would be done and over with if you'd just written:
"Yeah the Walt part could have been interesting but they decided to kill his storyline. Oh well it is what it is, lets keep the other questions coming!" instead of the snobbish attitude and the whole "He could kill birds, that's about it" bs.
To explain what's going on here, karpo thinks you were in on the meetings when they decided what to do with the show and want's an explanation of WHY not WHAT. He doesn't realize that you were just another viewer that's expressing what you saw or read up on based on interviews etc. He keeps on calling you a fanboy because you "disregard critique and downplay things" when you've just been reiterating events that occurred through the show AS IS - I could have gotten the information you're giving from a wiki. TBH he seems more of a fan than anyone in this thread so far based on how much he wants the walt storyline to be resolved lol. TL;DR: Troll here, nothing new.
He sounds exactly like infinite numbers of lost viewers I've seen before. He's hardly a troll.
On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote: Why do they want to detonate that bomb on the island?
They thought the reaction will put them back to their time, actually, that was your idea lol
PS: The well they were digging was on top of a huge pocket of special matter that affects the island provoking things like time traveling, healing, unfertility, etc
On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote: Why do they want to detonate that bomb on the island?
Because they believed it would prevent (the DHARMA Initiative from breaching the energy under the Swan site, which caused the Hatch to be built, which meant that one day Desmond would forget to push the button, which caused) the crash of Oceanic 815, and that their lives after this "reset" would be better, because they would have never crashed onto the Island.
On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote: Why do they want to detonate that bomb on the island?
Because they believed it would prevent (the DHARMA Initiative from breaching the energy under the Swan site, which caused the Hatch to be built, which meant that one day Desmond would forget to push the button, which caused) the crash of Oceanic 815, and that their lives after this "reset" would be better, because they would have never crashed onto the Island.
Please answer my other question also because, if this is the case, doesn't that mean that Jacob did not have anything to do with bringing the candidates on the island? (and instead it was that whole chain reaction Dharma..energy breach...hatch...power beam that brings the plane down)
I think it would have been better if they had just skipped the whole religious mythology (or made it more subtle). It worked in the first seasons because you could imagine several possible theories it all but in the end they went down the same path that so many other shows have in on form or another. I was looking for something a bit more clever. I also think the show suffered from its own success, going off on too many tangents, and the lack of continuity. It often were like they started to tie a shoe lace, then run a couple of miles before finishing it.
"It caused what they were trying to prevent" .... ok now I get it, it did not explode, and in fact what happened was the result of them trying to prevent what happened......(or something like this LOL)
One more question and I'm out....Why did smokey kill Mr. Eko, but not Locke?
when jack forced that dude not to type the numbers in the computer and the earthquake happened, what was the consequence? (i know desmund went to the basement and put a key in something and then everything went back to normal)
On January 13 2012 21:11 Soliduok wrote: Firstly, I want to say that I loooooved this show. I havent seen it in a while but will probably watch it again sometime soon.
I can't remember very well, but I think Michael was not in purgatory at the very end. Why was he not there? Was his soul still trapped?
On January 13 2012 21:01 Faraday wrote: Why do they want to detonate that bomb on the island?
Because they believed it would prevent (the DHARMA Initiative from breaching the energy under the Swan site, which caused the Hatch to be built, which meant that one day Desmond would forget to push the button, which caused) the crash of Oceanic 815, and that their lives after this "reset" would be better, because they would have never crashed onto the Island.
Please answer my other question also because, if this is the case, doesn't that mean that Jacob did not have anything to do with bringing the candidates on the island? (and instead it was that whole chain reaction Dharma..energy breach...hatch...power beam that brings the plane down)
Jacob pushed the lives of the Losties in such a way that they got on the plane.
If you have the scenes or want to look it up on YouTube, find when Sawyer is talking to Locke (MIB) in the cave of names and when Jacob explains himself to the candidates in "What They Died For".
I read through most of the questions and hope these haven't been answered before:
1. So the smoke thing, that is Jacobs brother wanted to leave the island. Why not let him just leave the island?I know he is evil but would he had magical powers beyond the island and kan kill people with magic outside of the island?
2. Why is there a need for a protector of the island? The island have that light that can be used for a lot of useful things outside of the island (healing, time travel, technology). What good does the light do if it is only on the island?
3. Would the protector of island, Jacob, be powerful outside of the island?
4. Would Richard be immortal outside of the island?
Cant post here without raging at this show...especially the fog monster...it was so awesome when it 'judged' Mr Eko...shortly after that is when the show started its slippery slope actually.
On January 13 2012 21:24 Faraday wrote: "It caused what they were trying to prevent" .... ok now I get it, it did not explode, and in fact what happened was the result of them trying to prevent what happened......(or something like this LOL)
One more question and I'm out....Why did smokey kill Mr. Eko, but not Locke?
No, it did explode. The explosion IS "The Incident", it's what caused the massive release of electromagnetic energy, which caused the DHARMA people to concrete off the whole area, and implement the button-pushing protocol at the Swan Station.
On your second question, because Eko didn't repent, and the MIB needed Locke to manipulate. He also can't kill Locke, his a candidate.
On January 13 2012 21:11 Soliduok wrote: Firstly, I want to say that I loooooved this show. I havent seen it in a while but will probably watch it again sometime soon.
I can't remember very well, but I think Michael was not in purgatory at the very end. Why was he not there? Was his soul still trapped?
Yes
Michael's actor is so annoying to watch. He almost always opens his mouth as if that's the only way he knows how to portray a surprised face. FFS you're not IMMVP.
On January 13 2012 21:24 Faraday wrote: "It caused what they were trying to prevent" .... ok now I get it, it did not explode, and in fact what happened was the result of them trying to prevent what happened......(or something like this LOL)
One more question and I'm out....Why did smokey kill Mr. Eko, but not Locke?
No, it did explode. The explosion IS "The Incident", it's what cause a massive release of electromagnetic energy, which caused the DHARMA people to concrete off the whole area, and implement the button protocol at the Swan Station.
On your second question, because Eko didn't repent, and the MIB needed Locke to manipulate. He also can't kill Locke, he's a candidate.
Ok thanx for clarifying
On my second question: Why did he need to punish the ones that didn't repent? And also: if Mr. Eko did not repent, wasn't that MIB's best proof that people were in fact how he says they are?(evil selfish etc...) Wasn't he trying to prove this? Why kill him?
This is going to contain a lot of negativity so let me preface that I thoroughly enjoyed the beginning of Lost, particularly the first season. It was a great mystery show, fun to watch, with lots of suspense. The writing, characters and acting were never close to as good as series like the Sopranos and the Wire, but hey, it was still cool to watch.
The biggest problem Lost developed aren't so much straight up plot holes, but trying to cover those plot holes up by either not addressing them ('leaving them to the viewer's imagination' as you said) or explaining them with some of the biggest Deus Ex Machinas I've seen.
Let's take what was maybe the biggest mystery in Lost - the smoke monster. The explanation behind it? There's a light on the island. It's magic and a normal person was pushed into it. He can now pretend to be anyone that died on the island and he's also a smoke monster. Why? Because the light is magic ofc! This is not a good explanation. For 3 seasons, we were completely in doubt whether there was any magic involved in Lost at all. Everyone tried to find explanations for the odd things that happened. For them to explain all those things - Jacob, the smoke monster, Richard, time travel, magical healing, dead people appearing, and on and on - by saying 'there's a magical light/energy on the island that does all of this, so now it's all explained' is utterly terrible story writing.
Had they gone the opposite route and explained the light and its meaning in the first season, much of the show's mystery might have been lost, but there would be much less complaining now. Everyone would've accepted that there's a certain premise of a magic energy on the island that you have to accept in order to understand Lost and its world. But to introduce that pivotal, all-explaining thing only in the last season, and supposedly have it 'explain' not only the smoke monster, but everything strange on the island? Can't you see how everyone thinks that's just a huge cop out?
I could go on and on about this. So many things, from the temple they only introduced in the last season to the significance of the numbers (and please, don't pretend that 'they're just numbers' and don't have any significance to the show) were left relatively unexplained.
Additionally, both character development and writing went utterly downhill, especially the last season. At the end of the show, they'd pretty much destroyed every single character except for maybe Hurley. Kate changing her mind about who she wants to follow, kill and have sex with about 10 times per episode, Sawyer going from independent conman to overly-concerned husband with one facial expression (wtf), Sun seemingly only existing to say 'I waant to fiind my huusbaand' and the complete and utter destruction of two of the coolest characters in Lost - Ben and Locke. Lost had great potential, but it turned into a cliched soap opera with some mystery that made little sense.
On January 13 2012 21:33 TechnoZerg wrote: when jack forced that dude not to type the numbers in the computer and the earthquake happened, what was the consequence? (i know desmund went to the basement and put a key in something and then everything went back to normal)
it was Eko, not Jack.
The energy under the Swan Station was released causing the Swan to implode, the sky to turn purple, and it gave Desmond flashes of the future (since the exotic matter under the Swan is what is responsible for time travel).
On January 13 2012 21:37 papaz wrote: I read through most of the questions and hope these haven't been answered before:
1. So the smoke thing, that is Jacobs brother wanted to leave the island. Why not let him just leave the island?I know he is evil but would he had magical powers beyond the island and kan kill people with magic outside of the island?
2. Why is there a need for a protector of the island? The island have that light that can be used for a lot of useful things outside of the island (healing, time travel, technology). What good does the light do if it is only on the island?
3. Would the protector of island, Jacob, be powerful outside of the island?
4. Would Richard be immortal outside of the island?
1. The MIB would likely still have his powers off the Island, since everyone who had powers on the Island also had them off the Island. But I guess we will never know. Jacob didn't want the MIB to leave because he thinks the MIB is evil. The MIB hates humans.
2. The Mother's explanation is because the Light needs to be protected from humans. But I doubt there must be a protector, and that a universe-ending time paradox would occur if there were not a protector. As the MIB said, the Island is just a rock (with a Light at the center), and it doesn't necessarily need protection.
3. Yes, most likely. Jacob has been seen influencing the lives of the candidates off the Island and seems to be able to come and go as he pleases.
4. As above, we really haven't seen anyone with powers only on the Island, but not off the Island. So again, from everything we've seen we would have to infer he would keep his immortality. Richard also did come and go from the Island like Jacob, for example to recruit Juliet. However, Richard lost his immortality when Jacob died.
On January 13 2012 21:24 Faraday wrote: "It caused what they were trying to prevent" .... ok now I get it, it did not explode, and in fact what happened was the result of them trying to prevent what happened......(or something like this LOL)
One more question and I'm out....Why did smokey kill Mr. Eko, but not Locke?
No, it did explode. The explosion IS "The Incident", it's what cause a massive release of electromagnetic energy, which caused the DHARMA people to concrete off the whole area, and implement the button protocol at the Swan Station.
On your second question, because Eko didn't repent, and the MIB needed Locke to manipulate. He also can't kill Locke, he's a candidate.
Ok thanx for clarifying
On my second question: Why did he need to punish the ones that didn't repent? And also: if Mr. Eko did not repent, wasn't that MIB's best proof that people were in fact how he says they are?(evil selfish etc...) Wasn't he trying to prove this? Why kill him?
The MIB has a thing for scanning and judging people. The MIB has presumably seen countless corrupt people come to the Island, and the burden on proof seems to be on Jacob to find good people, hence MIB's statement: "They come, they fight, they destroy, it always ends the same". Eko didn't repent, and the MIB didn't like that, so he killed him.
In fact, Ben seemed to believe that that was the purpose of the Smoke Monster, when he told Locke (who was the Smoke Monster) that he is going to The Temple to be judged by it.
I thought this thread was going to be about investigative TV show that literally figures out answer for security questions one need to answer to retrieve their password... I have no idea where I got this idea from -_-
sry if this might be answered a or a dumb question, but i kinda remeber this from the 1st season i think it was, where they see this red map? thing on the wall its circle and had all this scribles around it can u plz tell me what it was and why it was there(like who put it there) extra info i think jack and john were there and once they got in the walls like closed down(like the walls in moives where they slowly go down and trap people) sry if its not clear which scene i'm talking about its just i've only watch it once and it was ages ago, thx in advcane in explaining this
This is going to contain a lot of negativity so let me preface that I thoroughly enjoyed the beginning of Lost, particularly the first season. It was a great mystery show, fun to watch, with lots of suspense. The writing, characters and acting were never close to as good as series like the Sopranos and the Wire, but hey, it was still cool to watch.
The biggest problem Lost developed aren't so much straight up plot holes, but trying to cover those plot holes up by either not addressing them ('leaving them to the viewer's imagination' as you said) or explaining them with some of the biggest Deus Ex Machinas I've seen.
Let's take what was maybe the biggest mystery in Lost - the smoke monster. The explanation behind it? There's a light on the island. It's magic and a normal person was pushed into it. He can now pretend to be anyone that died on the island and he's also a smoke monster. Why? Because the light is magic ofc! This is not a good explanation. For 3 seasons, we were completely in doubt whether there was any magic involved in Lost at all. Everyone tried to find explanations for the odd things that happened. For them to explain all those things - Jacob, the smoke monster, Richard, time travel, magical healing, dead people appearing, and on and on - by saying 'there's a magical light/energy on the island that does all of this, so now it's all explained' is utterly terrible story writing.
Had they gone the opposite route and explained the light and its meaning in the first season, much of the show's mystery might have been lost, but there would be much less complaining now. Everyone would've accepted that there's a certain premise of a magic energy on the island that you have to accept in order to understand Lost and its world. But to introduce that pivotal, all-explaining thing only in the last season, and supposedly have it 'explain' not only the smoke monster, but everything strange on the island? Can't you see how everyone thinks that's just a huge cop out?
I could go on and on about this. So many things, from the temple they only introduced in the last season to the significance of the numbers (and please, don't pretend that 'they're just numbers' and don't have any significance to the show) were left relatively unexplained.
Additionally, both character development and writing went utterly downhill, especially the last season. At the end of the show, they'd pretty much destroyed every single character except for maybe Hurley. Kate changing her mind about who she wants to follow, kill and have sex with about 10 times per episode, Sawyer going from independent conman to overly-concerned husband with one facial expression (wtf), Sun seemingly only existing to say 'I waant to fiind my huusbaand' and the complete and utter destruction of two of the coolest characters in Lost - Ben and Locke. Lost had great potential, but it turned into a cliched soap opera with some mystery that made little sense.
/rant
This is pretty much spot on imo. I'll keep out of this thread from now on as it's about answering questions about Lost and not about discussing it's value as a TV series.
jack's father is there at the end of the series when they all gather. if you remember in the first season jack follows his dad and finds the caves. we've seen the black smoke take the dead's appearance a couple times ex. Yami (eko's bro) and Locke. was christian shepard the black smoke or maybe jacob (he says to locke when hes about to spin the wheel that he can speak for him)?
did the corpes the black smoke used to take human appearance still had a part of theirself acting even under the influence of the black smoke - (eg. - christian took care of claire if i remember good -and obviously of all the characters if we look at the ending).
I only watched season1 and having read this thread glad that I only wasted that much time on this. It's pretty obvious the writers just wanted to create empty hype (much like Heroes) and wouldn't explain it in the end except "it's fucking magic".
The OP is very clever by implying that his thread got him banned on the WoW forums because no mods will close this now or they will be saying teamliquid is no better than a WoW forum.
How did the egyptians get on the island? Is there a logical explanation for that?
Why did Ben be an awesome character with a lot of control in the beginning then in the end he turned out to be just a regular guy pushed over by anyone?
So many trollicious questions, this thread is better than I expected. Edit, for my question: Where did all the kerosene torches come from? (Don't tell me jet fuel from the plane crash, the wreckage exploded almost immediately)
And btw if the OP takes his time and answers absolutely every question in this and honestly says that he thinks his answers are plausible and reasonable I will rate it in imdb a 10, rather than a 7
On January 13 2012 21:55 Orome wrote: This is going to contain a lot of negativity so let me preface that I thoroughly enjoyed the beginning of Lost, particularly the first season. It was a great mystery show, fun to watch, with lots of suspense. The writing, characters and acting were never close to as good as series like the Sopranos and the Wire, but hey, it was still cool to watch.
The biggest problem Lost developed aren't so much straight up plot holes, but trying to cover those plot holes up by either not addressing them ('leaving them to the viewer's imagination' as you said) or explaining them with some of the biggest Deus Ex Machinas I've seen.
Let's take what was maybe the biggest mystery in Lost - the smoke monster. The explanation behind it? There's a light on the island. It's magic and a normal person was pushed into it. He can now pretend to be anyone that died on the island and he's also a smoke monster. Why? Because the light is magic ofc! This is not a good explanation. For 3 seasons, we were completely in doubt whether there was any magic involved in Lost at all. Everyone tried to find explanations for the odd things that happened. For them to explain all those things - Jacob, the smoke monster, Richard, time travel, magical healing, dead people appearing, and on and on - by saying 'there's a magical light/energy on the island that does all of this, so now it's all explained' is utterly terrible story writing.
Had they gone the opposite route and explained the light and its meaning in the first season, much of the show's mystery might have been lost, but there would be much less complaining now. Everyone would've accepted that there's a certain premise of a magic energy on the island that you have to accept in order to understand Lost and its world. But to introduce that pivotal, all-explaining thing only in the last season, and supposedly have it 'explain' not only the smoke monster, but everything strange on the island? Can't you see how everyone thinks that's just a huge cop out?
I could go on and on about this. So many things, from the temple they only introduced in the last season to the significance of the numbers (and please, don't pretend that 'they're just numbers' and don't have any significance to the show) were left relatively unexplained.
Additionally, both character development and writing went utterly downhill, especially the last season. At the end of the show, they'd pretty much destroyed every single character except for maybe Hurley. Kate changing her mind about who she wants to follow, kill and have sex with about 10 times per episode, Sawyer going from independent conman to overly-concerned husband with one facial expression (wtf), Sun seemingly only existing to say 'I waant to fiind my huusbaand' and the complete and utter destruction of two of the coolest characters in Lost - Ben and Locke. Lost had great potential, but it turned into a cliched soap opera with some mystery that made little sense.
/rant
While in some sense many of the powers of the Island and the Monster can simply be explained away by the propreties of the Light or exotic matter under the Island, this is still a rather simplistic view.
A more detailed examination finds the truth to be slightly more nuanced. The Light or exotic matter seems to be associated with life after death. Both Juliet, after the detonation of Jughead, and Desmond, after being exposed to the Swan implosion and being blasted with massive electromagnetic energy by Widmore's men, experienced flashes of their afterlife. It seems that being exposed to this Light, and having a near death experience will cause you to see the afterlife. To add to this, the Mother explains the Light as both life and death and that going down the Light is worse than death. While this in some ways is a caveman's explanation of fire, it still does corroborate the theory. So it isn't so surprising that, the Light, the existence of dead spirits on the Island (the whispers), the flash-sideways, and the Man in Black being thrown into the Light and turned into a Smoke Monster that can take the form of dead people, are all connected. The Man in Black's body died, he's consciousness seemed to infuse with the Light, giving him the power to take the form of dead people, because the Light is quite possibly related to the spirits or souls of the dead. A more scientific perspective came with the DHARMA Initiative who experimented with this Light, it was exotic matter and can also be harnessed for time travel.
Your points on character development are completely absurd. Once Kate got off the Island in Season 4, she was never with Sawyer again, she was with Jack. In fact, Kate never really had a serious relationship with Sawyer.
And Sawyer's character development from being a con artist, finding the person who killed his parents on the Island and murdering him, being stuck on the Island in the 70s, loving Juliet and then watching her die, all of this was masterfully executed.
Your points on Locke and Ben are also quite nonsensical. Locke lived a sad life, had faith in the Island, gave everything for the Island, and in the end he did everything he was told, and was tricked and used by the MIB. He did everything he could to try and get those who left to return to the Island, he thought he had failed and at the lowest point of his life, he was betrayed and murdered by Ben. His entire life was devastating and sad, he had complete faith in the Island, yet it never paid off, and this tragedy was heart-wrenching, yet also masterfully pulled off.
On January 13 2012 22:54 Holdinga wrote: How did the egyptians get on the island? Is there a logical explanation for that?
Why did Ben be an awesome character with a lot of control in the beginning then in the end he turned out to be just a regular guy pushed over by anyone?
1. Either Jacob brought them to the Island or they shipwrecked onto the Island like the people before them. It really doesn't matter which is the case.
2. That is not a really question. Ben was the leader of the Others, he is manipulative and a liar, so at the start we believed he knew more than he really did.
On January 13 2012 22:22 Hesmyrr wrote: I thought this thread was going to be about investigative TV show that literally figures out answer for security questions one need to answer to retrieve their password... I have no idea where I got this idea from -_-
It's the Blast Door Map. A map made by Kelvin of all the DHARMA stations on this Island.
You're clutching at straws with the exotic matter essay. As for the character development part, well let's just say we disagree a lot on that part. It's somewhat beyond me how anyone can put Lost character development and masterfully executed in the same sentence.
On January 13 2012 22:50 crazyweasel wrote: jack's father is there at the end of the series when they all gather. if you remember in the first season jack follows his dad and finds the caves. we've seen the black smoke take the dead's appearance a couple times ex. Yami (eko's bro) and Locke. was christian shepard the black smoke or maybe jacob (he says to locke when hes about to spin the wheel that he can speak for him)?
did the corpes the black smoke used to take human appearance still had a part of theirself acting even under the influence of the black smoke - (eg. - christian took care of claire if i remember good -and obviously of all the characters if we look at the ending).
Yes, the Christian Shepard that appeared on the Island was the Smoke Monster. The Smoke Monster has access to the dead persons memories and mannerisms, but it's completely the Man in Black.
On January 13 2012 23:30 Orome wrote: You're clutching at straws with the exotic matter essay. As for the character development part, well let's just say we disagree a lot on that part. It's somewhat beyond me how anyone can put Lost character development and masterfully executed in the same sentence.
Again agreed. Even with the far fetched scientific explanation of "exotic matter" it's still presented as magic. It's used to time travel, it moves the island, it turns people into immortal demigods, it makes people see life after death, and many other things i can't remember. In the end it's as close to magic as you can come, even Star Wars does a better job of trying to explain the force in a scientific manner than Lost does with it's "island light magic".
On January 13 2012 23:10 Holdinga wrote: And btw if the OP takes his time and answers absolutely every question in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVfltbxAgA and honestly says that he thinks his answers are plausible and reasonable I will rate it in imdb a 10, rather than a 7
I just had a watch of that video.
Most of those "questions" aren't even questions, and most of them are completely stupid, or self-evident and obvious.
Why did the Monster killed the Pilot? Who cares? Because the MIB doesn't like people, and because he can.
What did Locke see? A bright light. He said that like a few scenes after if I recall. Why is this even asked?
Why is there a polar bear in the comic? ... Because the comic artist drew one...?
and so on.
There's a 10 question limit per post as given in the OP.
If you can pick out 10 serious questions from that video I'd be surprised, but I'd be happy to answer them.
I stopped watching the show when Jabba the Hut LOST no weight lol. I am not interested in actors that don't assume their roles fully, and that includes both losing and gaining weight. He gets no sympathy from me.
Equally important is having some sense of realism. Magic I can understand, but if planes fall and water drowns people, then being a fucking 'survivor' on an unknown island, should, at least for the first season or so, lead to ragged clothes, faces, and so forth.
Everybody has make-up, looks so fucking tidy and clean...that's fucking bullshit. Sun/Saltwater alone should leave its toll on your external appearance.
On January 13 2012 22:52 crazyweasel wrote: was locke right about destiny/fate ? or was it jack ?
Shit happens, whether you call it density or fate is semantics.
There was definitely something special about the Island as Locke claimed, but the only thing he got from his faith in faith Island is being manipulated by the MIB and killed by Ben.
Jack developed faith in the Island, and understood that there was a purpose and reason he was there, the second time around.
On January 13 2012 22:53 AegonC wrote: The OP is very clever by implying that his thread got him banned on the WoW forums because no mods will close this now or they will be saying teamliquid is no better than a WoW forum.
I didn't get banned on the WoW forums for this thread.
I got banned on the WoW forums for vigorously conveying a dissenting viewpoint -- on many occasions.
On January 13 2012 23:02 Zealotdriver wrote: So many trollicious questions, this thread is better than I expected. Edit, for my question: Where did all the kerosene torches come from? (Don't tell me jet fuel from the plane crash, the wreckage exploded almost immediately)
On January 13 2012 23:30 Orome wrote: You're clutching at straws with the exotic matter essay. As for the character development part, well let's just say we disagree a lot on that part. It's somewhat beyond me how anyone can put Lost character development and masterfully executed in the same sentence.
What do you think the writers where thinking when they wrote this?
Mother [about the Light]: Life, death, rebirth..
"How should we really screw with our viewer's mind and give them absolutely nothing about this Light?"
Given the writing, theme and motifs of the show, it's not so surprising that the Smoke Monster can take the form of dead people, as opposed to, say, being a futuristic swarm of nanobots.
All this stuff about character stories being "masterfully executed" and "heart-wrenching" is lowering your credibility and just making you look more like a fanboy. I am neither here nor there with my opinions on lost, I don't think it was awful and I don't think it was incredible, it was a reasonable show that unfortunately couldn't keep up to the hype of the early series. I watched every episode thanks to my girlfriend getting the box-set and I thought it was a good 7/10. However, there was very little "masterful execution" and absoloutely zero "heart-wrenching moments" (although I was gutted when we lost Eko!). If you are going to keep this thread on topic and not simply appear as a fanboy defending his favourite series, I would avoid using such superlatives and rather just answer the questions as factually as possible. Apologies for this being a bit off-topic, however I felt a lot of your answers were off-topic and losing you credibility and begging for the questioning of the likes of Kwark and karpo.
You are answering the questions nearly as good as lost itself. Things are hyped throughout the whole series and left behind. It is the way it is ... yeah thank you very much. Plothole? The actor didn't bla, it was not relevant bla. Why put it in in the first place? The great conclusion never came. Atlest not for me. They found an ending and forgot nearly 4 seasons.
Don't get me wrong I loved Lost but this thread is pointless and everyone can look up your answers in the lost wiki.
On January 13 2012 23:54 Baz wrote: All this stuff about character stories being "masterfully executed" and "heart-wrenching" is lowering your credibility and just making you look more like a fanboy. I am neither here nor there with my opinions on lost, I don't think it was awful and I don't think it was incredible, it was a reasonable show that unfortunately couldn't keep up to the hype of the early series. I watched every episode thanks to my girlfriend getting the box-set and I thought it was a good 7/10. However, there was very little "masterful execution" and absoloutely zero "heart-wrenching moments" (although I was gutted when we lost Eko!). If you are going to keep this thread on topic and not simply appear as a fanboy defending his favourite series, I would using such superlatives and rather just answer the questions as factually as possible. Apologies for this being a bit off-topic, however I felt a lot of your answers were off-topic and losing you credibility and begging for the questioning of the likes of Kwark and karpo.
I've answered every question so far factually and honesty. I've even said when there are multiple possible explanations, or when there is none beyond some character having a power.
On January 13 2012 23:55 Fualtier wrote: You are answering the questions nearly as good as lost itself. Things are hyped throughout the whole series and left behind. It is the way it is ... yeah thank you very much. Plothole? The actor didn't bla, it was not relevant bla. Why put it in in the first place? The great conclusion never came. Atlest not for me. They found an ending and forgot nearly 4 seasons.
Don't get me wrong I loved Lost but this thread is pointless and everyone can look up your answers in the lost wiki.
What are you talking about?
They probably could look up my answers on a Lost wiki. Lostpedia has a lot of information from the show, and the show answered almost everything.
But if your going to ask something completely trivial and superficial like "why did the Monster kill the pilot?" or "why is there a polar bear in the comic book that Walt is reading?", seriously what sort of answer are you expecting?
So, whats up with adam and eve. When they are found Jack says they've been dead for (I believe) 40 years or so, but as it turns out they were already there for many centuries. Error? Or Reasoning?
On January 14 2012 00:08 Jayjay54 wrote: So, whats up with adam and eve. When they are found Jack says they've been dead for (I believe) 40 years or so, but as it turns out they were already there for many centuries. Error? Or Reasoning?
Error. Either Jack's or the writers. Take your pick.
My one and only un-answered question about lost came up in the very first episode and to this day it has never been answered to my satisfaction: How is it scientifically possible for Evangeline Lily to be so ball-achingly beautiful?
On January 14 2012 00:08 Dizmaul wrote: When you first started watching the show did you think there answer for everything was going to be magic? Or did it catch you by surprise also?
No, I didn't think of magic or exotic matter (which wasn't introduced until Season 4).
But it did occur to me that Lost had several supernatural themes from the very beginning when there was a Monster.
And to be honest, I thought the first season was quite mediocre. My main complaint was that it was far too uneventful, not much happened in 24 episodes. It was only in Season 3 and onwards, when the character development, pacing, and mindfuck moments really picked up that I really enjoyed the show.
On January 13 2012 23:10 Holdinga wrote: And btw if the OP takes his time and answers absolutely every question in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVfltbxAgA and honestly says that he thinks his answers are plausible and reasonable I will rate it in imdb a 10, rather than a 7
I just had a watch of that video.
Most of those "questions" aren't even questions, and most of them are completely stupid, or self-evident and obvious.
Why did the Monster killed the Pilot? Who cares? Because the MIB doesn't like people, and because he can.
What did Locke see? A bright light. He said that like a few scenes after if I recall. Why is this even asked?
Why is there a polar bear in the comic? ... Because the comic artist drew one...?
and so on.
There's a 10 question limit per post as given in the OP.
If you can pick out 10 serious questions from that video I'd be surprised, but I'd be happy to answer them.
I was with you to a point (as in I thought you were genuine and not a ranting fan boy) but come on!
Why did the Monster killed the Pilot? Who cares?
What did Locke see? A bright light.
Why is there a polar bear in the comic? Because the comic artist drew one...?
As demonstrated by the excellent "flew to work today" analogy you're not explaining anything or if you are then these events are simply pointless and should not be in the story. You're not going to make the debate team, that much is certain.
On January 14 2012 00:08 Dizmaul wrote: When you first started watching the show did you think there answer for everything was going to be magic? Or did it catch you by surprise also?
No, I didn't think of magic or exotic matter (which wasn't introduced until Season 4).
But it did occur to me that Lost had several supernatural themes from the very beginning when there was a Monster.
The smoke monster was a big dark cloud that sounded mechanical in nature, popping trees and dragging people away. Somehow it turns out that that mechanical dark fog thing is actually a magic immortal man, what a twist! With what Dharma was doing and what i understood from the first season i thought the black smoke was some kind of weird experiment or high tech defensive bot/ai thing, and honestly that would have been alot less generic and alot more interesting.
So this "exotic matter" is time travel, seing the afterlife, moving physical objects, giving people special powers, granting people immortality, etc but it's not magic?
Give me a break, it's magic just the same as the force is magic (arguably ever more so). Your bias really shows when you try to refute that.
Seems like we just don't enjoy the same things. You enjoyed the series after S3 while i think the series took a nosedive about at the same time.
On January 14 2012 00:08 Dizmaul wrote: When you first started watching the show did you think there answer for everything was going to be magic? Or did it catch you by surprise also?
No, I didn't think of magic or exotic matter (which wasn't introduced until Season 4).
But it did occur to me that Lost had several supernatural themes from the very beginning when there was a Monster.
And to be honest, I thought the first season was quite mediocre. My main complaint was that it was far too uneventful, not much happened in 24 episodes. It was only in Season 3 and onwards, when the character development, pacing, and mindfuck moments really picked up that I really enjoyed the show.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
But Lost is magic. I thought Lost was about science probably like most people. Its not more sophisticated then magic, maybe just sophisticated magic. I dont think the writers copped out or the show was bad at all. I just understand how some people thought the show was somthing diffrent by the way they built it up, and therefor where let down.
On January 13 2012 23:10 Holdinga wrote: And btw if the OP takes his time and answers absolutely every question in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVfltbxAgA and honestly says that he thinks his answers are plausible and reasonable I will rate it in imdb a 10, rather than a 7
I just had a watch of that video.
Most of those "questions" aren't even questions, and most of them are completely stupid, or self-evident and obvious.
Why did the Monster killed the Pilot? Who cares? Because the MIB doesn't like people, and because he can.
What did Locke see? A bright light. He said that like a few scenes after if I recall. Why is this even asked?
Why is there a polar bear in the comic? ... Because the comic artist drew one...?
and so on.
There's a 10 question limit per post as given in the OP.
If you can pick out 10 serious questions from that video I'd be surprised, but I'd be happy to answer them.
I was with you to a point (as in I thought you were genuine and not a ranting fan boy) but come on!
Why is there a polar bear in the comic? Because the comic artist drew one...?
As demonstrated by the excellent "flew to work today" analogy you're not explaining anything or if you are then these events are simply pointless and should not be in the story. You're not going to make the debate team, that much is certain.
Those are not questions that deserve serious attention. The reason the Monster was put into the story in the very first episode was to a) establish a clear and present danger, b) establish the mythology of the show, c) to show this was no ordinary deserted island. The Monster killed the Pilot to convey (a) and (c) to the audience.
Locke saw a bright light that he called beautiful. How much more clearly does he have to say exactly that before you accept that he saw a bright light.
The polar bear is in the comic book to establish it as one of the motifs and early mysteries of the show. Asking from a objective perspective, why there is a polar bear in the comic is frivolous, akin to asking why Jack Bauer is seen putting on a suit in episode 4x01 of 24.
On January 13 2012 23:10 Holdinga wrote: And btw if the OP takes his time and answers absolutely every question in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVfltbxAgA and honestly says that he thinks his answers are plausible and reasonable I will rate it in imdb a 10, rather than a 7
I just had a watch of that video.
Most of those "questions" aren't even questions, and most of them are completely stupid, or self-evident and obvious.
Why did the Monster killed the Pilot? Who cares? Because the MIB doesn't like people, and because he can.
What did Locke see? A bright light. He said that like a few scenes after if I recall. Why is this even asked?
Why is there a polar bear in the comic? ... Because the comic artist drew one...?
and so on.
There's a 10 question limit per post as given in the OP.
If you can pick out 10 serious questions from that video I'd be surprised, but I'd be happy to answer them.
But that's my biggest problem with the show. There's so much pointless crazy shit in every episode that it's basically impossible to tell if it's going to be important or not to the overall story.
On January 14 2012 00:08 Dizmaul wrote: When you first started watching the show did you think there answer for everything was going to be magic? Or did it catch you by surprise also?
No, I didn't think of magic or exotic matter (which wasn't introduced until Season 4).
But it did occur to me that Lost had several supernatural themes from the very beginning when there was a Monster.
The smoke monster was a big dark cloud that sounded mechanical in nature, popping trees and dragging people away. Somehow it turns out that that mechanical dark fog thing is actually a magic immortal man, what a twist! With what Dharma was doing and what i understood from the first season i thought the black smoke was some kind of weird experiment or high tech defensive bot/ai thing, and honestly that would have been alot less generic and alot more interesting.
So this "exotic matter" is time travel, seing the afterlife, moving physical objects, giving people special powers, granting people immortality, etc but it's not magic?
Give me a break, it's magic just the same as the force is magic (arguably ever more so). Your bias really shows when you try to refute that.
Seems like we just don't enjoy the same things. You enjoyed the series after S3 while i think the series took a nosedive about at the same time.
There is evidence that the exotic matter is related to life after death. From a scientific perspective, exotic matter can refer to, for example, tachyons, hypothetical particles responsible for time travel.
From a science fiction media point of view, this is no more less believable than, say, genetic mutation allowing mutants to read minds and control metal.
There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island.
I'll ask some more opinionated questions, I understand that the answers are not much more than "the writers did it that way".
1) why did the writers (or maybe more relevant, as a fan are you somewhat mad) that they made statements like this very early on in the show:
...the show's producers say that there is no single explanation and that a simple answer would leave viewers dissatisfied. "We go on record saying, 'Here's what it's not,' " says Damon Lindelof, who created Lost with J.J. Abrams (Alias, Mission: Impossible III).
Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the executive producers who oversee Lost, say the survivors are not dead and trapped in some kind of purgatory.....
and then it essentially was that? Regardless of whether you want to label it purgatory, you even said earlier in the thread the explanation for jack is that his "soul is still trapped" (iirc). It's clearly some kind of death/purgatory.
2) What do you think about how the characters were able to "remember" the island when they were in the real world. More specifically, why did Charlie have to nearly drown again to remember yet other characters started remembering just by a simple glance? Charlie really got the short end of the stick there.
3) What was the drawing in pink/purple that flashed up in the hatch when Locke had his leg stuck under the door (when he didn't press the button in time)? I never payed close enough attention to tell what it was.
I think the main problem with LOST for many people was that it was very easy to lose track once you've missed a few episodes. Most characters make great sense if you completely absorbed their backstory; happen to miss some critical episodes explaining some person's life and choices could easily mean to never understand their motivations.
Having some characters that started great, but ended horribly annoying (Kate) or that were simply horribly annoying from the very start (Walt/Michael, Nikki/Paolo) didn't help either. The ending wasn't everyone's cup of tea, too, and a lot of people expected it to be some mystery / thriller show only to realize later that it was borderline scifi/fantasy and not their preferred genre.
That being said: LOST is probably one of the greatest shows I've ever seen. I enjoyed it very much and have recommended it to pretty much everyone I know. Not only does it have a development and story that's largely coherent (albeit a bit weird at times), but there are so many details, most of which you'll only get once you've watched it a second or third time, that turn it into a very special piece of entertainment. There's almost no episode that doesn't have at least one cleverly hidden number reference or quote / piece of dialogue which only makes sense once you've seen the whole thing (such as the MIB posing as Yemi saying "You almost sound like my brother" somewhere in S2).
As for this topic: I don't really think the show leaves "open questions" except for that were deliberately not explained (what is the source etc.) and just had to be accepted for what they were in the context of the story.
3) What was the drawing in pink/purple that flashed up in the hatch when Locke had his leg stuck under the door (when he didn't press the button in time)? I never payed close enough attention to tell what it was.
That was a map of other / all Dharma stations on the island.
On January 14 2012 00:39 Crownlol wrote: After season 3, this became one of the worst-written shows in tv history... not sure why there's a thread on it
Even though, in the end, this thread is about nothing but opinions (and it's perfectly fine if some people didn't like the show in question), you should refrain from posting if you can contribute nothing but complaints. Doesn't add, doesn't help, and doesn't make you appear clever or bright either.
On January 14 2012 00:34 N.geNuity wrote: I'll ask some more opinionated questions, I understand that the answers are not much more than "the writers did it that way".
1) why did the writers (or maybe more relevant, as a fan are you somewhat mad) that they made statements like this very early on in the show:
...the show's producers say that there is no single explanation and that a simple answer would leave viewers dissatisfied. "We go on record saying, 'Here's what it's not,' " says Damon Lindelof, who created Lost with J.J. Abrams (Alias, Mission: Impossible III).
Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the executive producers who oversee Lost, say the survivors are not dead and trapped in some kind of purgatory.....
and then it essentially was that? Regardless of whether you want to label it purgatory, you even said earlier in the thread the explanation for jack is that his "soul is still trapped" (iirc). It's clearly some kind of death/purgatory.
2) What do you think about how the characters were able to "remember" the island when they were in the real world. More specifically, why did Charlie have to nearly drown again to remember yet other characters started remembering just by a simple glance? Charlie really got the short end of the stick there.
3) What was the drawing in pink/purple that flashed up in the hatch when Locke had his leg stuck under the door (when he didn't press the button in time)? I never payed close enough attention to tell what it was.
1) You got it the other way around. The Island is real, and the flash-sideways was the afterlife.
So when in Season 1 Lindelof said they're not in purgatory, he is correct. They were in fact NOT in purgatory, they were on the Island, in the real world. A timeline that only started in Season 6 was purgatory, the afterlife, the flashsideways, whatever you want to call it.
2) They seem to remember in near-death, high adrenaline moments,or highly emotional moments when stimulated by someone they knew in their real life (i.e, the Island). E.g. Locke partly remembered when Desmond bashed him to near death, Sawyer remembered when he met Juliet, Jack remembered when he met Kate and touched his Father's coffin.
On January 13 2012 23:10 Holdinga wrote: And btw if the OP takes his time and answers absolutely every question in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVfltbxAgA and honestly says that he thinks his answers are plausible and reasonable I will rate it in imdb a 10, rather than a 7
I just had a watch of that video.
Most of those "questions" aren't even questions, and most of them are completely stupid, or self-evident and obvious.
Why did the Monster killed the Pilot? Who cares? Because the MIB doesn't like people, and because he can.
What did Locke see? A bright light. He said that like a few scenes after if I recall. Why is this even asked?
Why is there a polar bear in the comic? ... Because the comic artist drew one...?
and so on.
There's a 10 question limit per post as given in the OP.
If you can pick out 10 serious questions from that video I'd be surprised, but I'd be happy to answer them.
But that's my biggest problem with the show. There's so much pointless crazy shit in every episode that it's basically impossible to tell if it's going to be important or not to the overall story.
I had no problems, having watched most episodes once.
It's quite obvious what is important. Small things are nearly always not important. Sure, there are lines that give additional meaning that can be missed by the less observant viewers. But these are really not needed to understand the show.
If it's important, they hit you over the head with it big time.
On January 13 2012 23:10 Holdinga wrote: And btw if the OP takes his time and answers absolutely every question in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOVfltbxAgA and honestly says that he thinks his answers are plausible and reasonable I will rate it in imdb a 10, rather than a 7
I just had a watch of that video.
Most of those "questions" aren't even questions, and most of them are completely stupid, or self-evident and obvious.
Why did the Monster killed the Pilot? Who cares? Because the MIB doesn't like people, and because he can.
What did Locke see? A bright light. He said that like a few scenes after if I recall. Why is this even asked?
Why is there a polar bear in the comic? ... Because the comic artist drew one...?
and so on.
There's a 10 question limit per post as given in the OP.
If you can pick out 10 serious questions from that video I'd be surprised, but I'd be happy to answer them.
But that's my biggest problem with the show. There's so much pointless crazy shit in every episode that it's basically impossible to tell if it's going to be important or not to the overall story.
I had no problems, having watched most episodes once.
It's quite obvious what is important. Small things are nearly always not important. Sure, there are lines that give additional meaning that can be missed by the less observant viewers. But these are really not needed to understand the show.
If it's important, they hit you over the head with it big time.
Dude, I really like what you're doing here, as I'm a huge fan of the show (as said a couple of posts earlier). But you're doing yourself and the show no favor if you keep responding like this. You probably don't mean to, but you sound pretty condescending, and shouldn't be surprised if people call you out on sounding fanboy-ish and cocky/arrogant/all-knowing.
It seems like a lot of people are using this thread as an outlet to express their dislike about the show, and not to ask questions about the show. -_- I feel bad for the OP because he seems to just want to answer questions and not argue about whether the show is good or not. OP, you should stop responding to people's opinions, and just respond to questions
On January 14 2012 01:08 Sroobz wrote: Why did the ending suck so much?
How did 99% of the story relate to the ending?
What the FUCK was the point of Jacob/Smoke guy/Richard?
PS: Loved the show, just ranting a little about my dislike of the ending
1. I can't help you there.
2. In terms of mythology, the ending doesn't relate. The ending was a character story, i.e. what eventually happens to Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, the MIB, etc.
On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote: lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together.
On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote: Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though.
This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them.
But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see.. should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?"
That's either bad writing, lack of planning, or writers not knowing anything about the media they write for.
Actually, that's television. I am an elitist when it comes to writing. Yet with the growth of so much well-written TV over the last decade, even I've been forced to shift my standards to accept that reality that in the world of TV, shit happens. Actors grow up or die or get arrested for drunk driving. Budgets are thin and SyFy was only willing to pay Xena so much to guest appear on BSG.
tl;dr Wouldn't it be great if TV writers had control of everything. They don't. TV writing is always a negotiation between the ideals of good storytelling, and budgets--the possibility that a show might not go on for another season is a disincentive to plan too far into the show's future. Thankfully, some shows like "The Wire" transcend these limitations entirely.
This thread is kind of dumb. It's a fan reading up from a faq somewhere answering questions that people could find in 10 seconds if they actually cared about it. I thought you'd actually have some kind of extraordinary insight, been involved with the show somehow or something.
Show started off decently, lots of mysterious stuff going on, but then it ended with a bunch of pseudo-religious babbling. Instead of exploring one of the mysteries it just branched out and tried a cover a bunch of scifi concepts, like time travel and such, and ended in a couple of completely unrelated seasons. A distinctly average show, and a pretty meh thread.
On January 14 2012 01:26 OrchidThief wrote: This thread is kind of dumb. It's a fan reading up from a faq somewhere answering questions that people could find in 10 seconds if they actually cared about it. I thought you'd actually have some kind of extraordinary insight, been involved with the show somehow or something.
I'm not reading from a FAQ.
But if a FAQ existed, then yes these answers would almost certainly be found by reading such a FAQ.
I have no deeply profound insight. At it's core Lost is not that complicated. You don't need crazy theories or profound insights, the show speaks for itself.
I'm not here to promote my home-made complete theory of Lost. I'm here to show that the show speaks for itself, and nearly all answers are already in your face.
There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island.
Actually that's not correct, Miles was born on the island remember?
There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island.
Actually that's not correct, Miles was born on the island remember?
No, he wasn't. Charlotte was, and died because of it.
On January 14 2012 01:26 OrchidThief wrote: This thread is kind of dumb. It's a fan reading up from a faq somewhere answering questions that people could find in 10 seconds if they actually cared about it. I thought you'd actually have some kind of extraordinary insight, been involved with the show somehow or something.
I'm not reading from a FAQ.
But if a FAQ existed, then yes these answers would almost certainly be found by reading such a FAQ.
I have no deeply profound insight. At it's core Lost is not that complicated. You don't need crazy theories or profound insights, the show speaks for itself.
I'm not here to promote my home-made complete theory of Lost. I'm here to show that the show speaks for itself, and nearly all answers are already in your face.
I know you're not directly reading from a FAQ, my point was that you might as well be. (Like you said yourself). And I'm just not really convinced that there was that much demand for just knowing a bunch of facts that interested people might as well trivially find out, by, well, watching the show. Thread seems a bit superfluous is all.
Well I suppose since it's on its 10th page there are some people that actually care, or they're bored and will take everything.
There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island.
Actually that's not correct, Miles was born on the island remember?
No, he wasn't. Charlotte was, and died because of it.
we see miles with his father before some of the videos are recorded. he was born there or sent there early in his life before his dad (guy from the initiation videos) sent him off fearing the incident. Nice thread though, good answers.
Why was Claire's baby such a big deal? I think this goes in line with Walt, who was also hinted at to be a major plotpoint but I get that the actor outgrew the role.
Exactly what is the purpose of the Others? I know they say that their job is to protect the Island but that's also mostly Ben lying.
What happens to the Others in the end?
Concerning the Egyptians, how did Egyptians find their way to the Pacific (I'm assuming you have to be in the Pacific to wander on the Island).
How did Ben become the leader of the Others if he has no special powers or even any way to communicate with Jacob?
Why did the others want Walt so badly, only to send him off the island?
Why would they send their leader to infiltrate the survivors when there could be very real harm caused to him?
Why did the smoke monster start off recklessly killing the survivors, to then judging them before killing (Mr. Eko), to then trying to lead a group off the island as fake Locke?
Do the numbers have any actual significance? And after the ending of the 5th series giving some form of hope to actually answering the purpose of the island, why did the writers decide to ruin the entire legitimacy of the show with series 6 and the "made up as it went along" storyline, the only good part of the 6th series was the jack's eye shutting, when they said they knew the ending i believe thats all they knew and they just pulled the rest out of the arses.
There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island.
Actually that's not correct, Miles was born on the island remember?
No, he wasn't. Charlotte was, and died because of it.
What? That's wrong.
Miles was probably born on the island; it's not explicitely shown, but there are scenes with his father reading to him as an infant. Charlotte was born on the island, but that wasn't the cause of her death - that one guy on the freigther died from the same thing that killed her and certainly wasn't island-born.
I'll take over a bit if noone minds, at least for the last couple of questions. It's been a while since I've watched the complete show, and while I think I'll remember most of things, I have to admit that I had to look up a few of the details on a wiki.
Why was Claire's baby such a big deal?
Because it was the first "new" baby the Others could get their hands on after several failures with pregnant women dying to continue their fertility experiments.
Exactly what is the purpose of the Others?
Basically, they were pawns in some very long-lasting game Jacob had with the MIB regarding human nature. He was trying to prove his point about morality and things by bringing people to the island.
What happens to the Others in the end?
Most of them died. No idea what happened to those that didn't, and it wasn't shown in the series iirc.
Concerning the Egyptians, how did Egyptians find their way to the Pacific (I'm assuming you have to be in the Pacific to wander on the Island).
No idea, and I think this wasn't explained either.
How did Ben become the leader of the Others if he has no special powers or even any way to communicate with Jacob?
Charisma, I guess, and because Widmore was gone and the Others needed a new leader (and Richard didn't want to lead).
Why did the others want Walt so badly, only to send him off the island?
They wanted him badly because he exhibited special powers; they sent him off in order to seal the deal with Michael. Pretty sure there's not much more to it.
Why would they send their leader to infiltrate the survivors when there could be very real harm caused to him?
Chances are they didn't "send" their leader but he went because he wanted to. In case he "went" in the first place, I think he was caught by the french woman and then brought to the survivors later.
Why did the smoke monster start off recklessly killing the survivors, to then judging them before killing (Mr. Eko), to then trying to lead a group off the island as fake Locke?
Because it's not just some cloud of smoke intent on senseless slaughter, but a person with shifting interests and an agenda of his own.
Do the numbers have any actual significance? And after the ending of the 5th series giving some form of hope to actually answering the purpose of the island, why did the writers decide to ruin the entire legitimacy of the show with series 6 and the "made up as it went along" storyline, the only good part of the 6th series was the jack's eye shutting, when they said they knew the ending i believe thats all they knew and they just pulled the rest out of the arses.
The numbers were a part or the result (not sure) of some equation predicting the end of humanity, and they had some connection to the candidates as well. As for the rest of your reply, sucks than you didn't enjoy the last season.
Why was the temple some sort of anti smoke monster fortress? and why did we never hear or see anything about the temple people until it became important, I think it was like season 5 where that happened and I don't recall it ever being mentioned prior.
The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out.
Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
Completely agree.
I'll give the writers credit they probably gave answers to all the questions, so that the show was atleast consistent, but these were in no way satisfying when you consider the dramatic build up in S1 and S2. If they're gonna put alot of time and energy builing up suspense I would have liked to see the same kind of energy put into the answers. Instead they dragged it out way too long answering questions here and there until its eventual end but at that point it was already disappointing.
Did the writers just give up half way through.. and instead of creating an actual story line (linear or not), they were like.. "fuck it, lets just throw in a bunch of random crap and let the viewers talk nonsense among each other"
There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island.
Actually that's not correct, Miles was born on the island remember?
No, he wasn't. Charlotte was, and died because of it.
we see miles with his father before some of the videos are recorded. he was born there or sent there early in his life before his dad (guy from the initiation videos) sent him off fearing the incident. Nice thread though, good answers.
Not sure why so many people are hating on you.
Yeah, seems you're right. Miles was born on the Island, and not Charlotte.
There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island.
Actually that's not correct, Miles was born on the island remember?
No, he wasn't. Charlotte was, and died because of it.
What? That's wrong.
Miles was probably born on the island; it's not explicitely shown, but there are scenes with his father reading to him as an infant. Charlotte was born on the island, but that wasn't the cause of her death - that one guy on the freigther died from the same thing that killed her and certainly wasn't island-born.
I'll take over a bit if noone minds, at least for the last couple of questions. It's been a while since I've watched the complete show, and while I think I'll remember most of things, I have to admit that I had to look up a few of the details on a wiki.
Because it was the first "new" baby the Others could get their hands on after several failures with pregnant women dying to continue their fertility experiments.
I'd also add that if the question relates to why the the psychic said that Claire must get on Oceanic 815 to give the baby up for adoption, ignore the psychic, was it shown that he was a fraud.
Why did the others want Walt so badly, only to send him off the island?
They wanted him badly because he exhibited special powers; they sent him off in order to seal the deal with Michael. Pretty sure there's not much more to it.
And also because the Others like to steal kids to add to their ranks as they can't procreate due to women not being able to give birth.
On January 14 2012 06:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Why was the temple some sort of anti smoke monster fortress? and why did we never hear or see anything about the temple people until it became important, I think it was like season 5 where that happened and I don't recall it ever being mentioned prior.
The Temple was a sanctuary, and there was a circle of ash surrounding it to keep the MIB out. There isn't really any further information known. It's possible that Dogen had the power to keep the MIB out, as Lennon seem to hint at. But as Dogen said he would be killed by the MIB if he stepped outside
No particular answer is known. Either the ash circle was broken by Sayid or after Dogen was killed the ash circle did not prevent the MIB from entering.
Note that the MIB had no problems entering the tunnels in Season 5 under the Temple, possibly because there was no ash around it.
On January 14 2012 08:37 FeUerFlieGe wrote: So does the light on the island give people the powers they have? Like, the man in black being able to turn into some immortal smoke monster.
However, it's not necessarily what is responsible for certain people having powers, for example Walt has powers before having contact with the Island or the Light.
For you personally, what do you believe to be the meaning behind Lost? What is the underlying thread that bound all the episodes from the first to last?
As a side point (and to advocate for the show a bit), whether you enjoyed Lost can really depend upon how you watch the show itself. For example, I think the writers intended the plot only to be used as a means towards furthering the main purpose of the show, coloring character reformation. To be more pointed, the purpose of the show was to demonstrate the journey and end of different characters and to put a measure of meaning on what is to be believed a "right" vs. "wrong" kind of life. No characters were born from the same circumstances nor made the same choices, yet there is clearly some demarcation of how some character developments were progressive or degenerative. Regardless of the actual events that happened during the show, it matters more on how each character dealt with the change and how the character evolved for better or worse. During the entirety of the show, the plot twists, time traveling, "magic" as some people call it, are all relevant in that they present furtherance towards this development but irrelevant in the sense that it makes the "plot" more confusing. Actually the writers may have intended to distort the "plot" to emphasize this purpose itself.
…But given the restraints of media demands, I feel that much of the plot was unnecessarily (and rather poorly) forced to explain things that didn't really need explaining in the first place. Thus the hullabaloo in the thread. T.T Anyhow I think Lost is a great show.
Cant people just look it up on the wiki? and if not, just go update the wiki with these answers? The wiki is the source of all information for a said thing no? Go put it all there...
Or do you want the satisfaction of "being that guy" or something ?
You also seem very defensive as everyone has pointed out.. :|
On January 13 2012 17:30 loladin wrote: How come Hurley didn't lose any weight?
Man, I asked myself, and those around me mind you, this question every single episode... :/ The people on survivor look like skeletons after one month. Conclusion: Hurley had a mad stash, but we never got to see it. The episode where he dumps all his junk food was staged. That wasn't 1% of it.
I think you should ignore all the people trying to criticize the show. They are being off topic and it's best to ignore them and focus on the questions.
On January 14 2012 09:14 lvatural wrote: For you personally, what do you believe to be the meaning behind Lost? What is the underlying thread that bound all the episodes from the first to last?
As a side point (and to advocate for the show a bit), whether you enjoyed Lost can really depend upon how you watch the show itself. For example, I think the writers intended the plot only to be used as a means towards furthering the main purpose of the show, coloring character reformation. To be more pointed, the purpose of the show was to demonstrate the journey and end of different characters and to put a measure of meaning on what is to be believed a "right" vs. "wrong" kind of life. No characters were born from the same circumstances nor made the same choices, yet there is clearly some demarcation of how some character developments were progressive or degenerative. Regardless of the actual events that happened during the show, it matters more on how each character dealt with the change and how the character evolved for better or worse. During the entirety of the show, the plot twists, time traveling, "magic" as some people call it, are all relevant in that they present furtherance towards this development but irrelevant in the sense that it makes the "plot" more confusing. Actually the writers may have intended to distort the "plot" to emphasize this purpose itself.
…But given the restraints of media demands, I feel that much of the plot was unnecessarily (and rather poorly) forced to explain things that didn't really need explaining in the first place. Thus the hullabaloo in the thread. T.T Anyhow I think Lost is a great show.
If I would have to sum it up in one word it would be redemption.
Essentially, the show is about a cast of flawed and damaged individuals brought onto the Island by Jacob for a second chance.
While the purpose behind Jacob's plan was to prevent his brother, the Man in Black, from leaving the Island, because he is evil incarnate, what struck me as central to the show are the characters journey to redemption on the Island.
If the story of Lost could be summed up and explained in one scene, this would be it:
On January 14 2012 09:19 miky_ardiente wrote: thanks for making this thread, i have a question
when jack and the rest return to the island, how would they know their plane will crash like the first one did?
and second, why jack, kate and hurley "arrived" in the past, and the rest of the passengers in the present?
anyone can answer this ?
1. They didn't. They met Eloise Hawking who told them that that is what they needed to do to go back to the Island, and they believed her. Eloise had access to The Lamp-post, the DHARMA Station that was used to originally find the Island.
2. Jack, Kate and Hurley arrived in the past because they have to. They were the cause of The Incident at the Swan Site in the 70s, and so they must have arrived in the past to close that time loop, which is what eventually caused the first plane to crash in the first place. Time travel on Lost follows the "whatever happened, happened" rule. You can't change the past, so they needed to arrive in the 70s in order for that past that can't be changed to happen as it originally did.
Sorry I missed your post, it was at the bottom of the last page.
On January 14 2012 00:08 Dizmaul wrote: When you first started watching the show did you think there answer for everything was going to be magic? Or did it catch you by surprise also?
No, I didn't think of magic or exotic matter (which wasn't introduced until Season 4).
But it did occur to me that Lost had several supernatural themes from the very beginning when there was a Monster.
Also it's more sophisticated than just magic:
The smoke monster was a big dark cloud that sounded mechanical in nature, popping trees and dragging people away. Somehow it turns out that that mechanical dark fog thing is actually a magic immortal man, what a twist! With what Dharma was doing and what i understood from the first season i thought the black smoke was some kind of weird experiment or high tech defensive bot/ai thing, and honestly that would have been alot less generic and alot more interesting.
So this "exotic matter" is time travel, seing the afterlife, moving physical objects, giving people special powers, granting people immortality, etc but it's not magic?
Give me a break, it's magic just the same as the force is magic (arguably ever more so). Your bias really shows when you try to refute that.
Seems like we just don't enjoy the same things. You enjoyed the series after S3 while i think the series took a nosedive about at the same time.
There is evidence that the exotic matter is related to life after death. From a scientific perspective, exotic matter can refer to, for example, tachyons, hypothetical particles responsible for time travel.
From a science fiction media point of view, this is no more less believable than, say, genetic mutation allowing mutants to read minds and control metal.
There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island.
It's very much true that it isn't any more or less believable than other fantasy fiction. However, if you made a mystery out of the X-Men where you had this whole "Oh man, how did they get these powers?!?" thing for years and then gave the explanation that "They mutated!" and be done with it that would be laughable.
Magic is all well and good as a plot device, but as the answer to a mystery it's ridiculously stupid. To have a mystery be "answered" by impossibilities is no answer at all. Impossibilities can facilitate plot and that's not a problem, but as a conclusion it is no more than a "because".
That said, if others liked the show then that's up to them. Obviously you're free to disagree and find it satisfying and as such it was a success for many people.
On January 14 2012 09:19 miky_ardiente wrote: thanks for making this thread, i have a question
when jack and the rest return to the island, how would they know their plane will crash like the first one did?
and second, why jack, kate and hurley "arrived" in the past, and the rest of the passengers in the present?
anyone can answer this ?
1. They didn't. They met Eloise Hawking who told them that that is what they needed to do to go back to the Island, and they believed her. Eloise had access to The Lamp-post, the DHARMA Station that was used to originally find the Island.
2. Jack, Kate and Hurley arrived in the past because they have to. They were the cause of The Incident at the Swan Site in the 70s, and so they must have arrived in the past to close that time loop, which is what eventually caused the first plane to crash in the first place. Time travel on Lost follows the "whatever happened, happened" rule. You can't change the past, so they needed to arrive in the 70s in order for that past that can't be changed to happen as it originally did.
Sorry I missed your post, it was at the bottom of the last page.
thanks for the answers, sorry i was a bit impatient, its just that since the end of the series i always had the doubt, seems like too much to just say oh lets take this plane and hope it crashes in the island, without any logical reason for it
also i remember an arc where they are living their lifes just fine and suddenly remember being on the island and recognize the people they met and star crying and hug each other, (example sawyer and the blond doctor girl) whats up with that?
On January 14 2012 09:19 miky_ardiente wrote: thanks for making this thread, i have a question
when jack and the rest return to the island, how would they know their plane will crash like the first one did?
and second, why jack, kate and hurley "arrived" in the past, and the rest of the passengers in the present?
anyone can answer this ?
1. They didn't. They met Eloise Hawking who told them that that is what they needed to do to go back to the Island, and they believed her. Eloise had access to The Lamp-post, the DHARMA Station that was used to originally find the Island.
2. Jack, Kate and Hurley arrived in the past because they have to. They were the cause of The Incident at the Swan Site in the 70s, and so they must have arrived in the past to close that time loop, which is what eventually caused the first plane to crash in the first place. Time travel on Lost follows the "whatever happened, happened" rule. You can't change the past, so they needed to arrive in the 70s in order for that past that can't be changed to happen as it originally did.
Sorry I missed your post, it was at the bottom of the last page.
thanks for the answers, sorry i was a bit impatient, its just that since the end of the series i always had the doubt, seems like too much to just say oh lets take this plane and hope it crashes in the island, without any logical reason for it
also i remember an arc where they are living their lifes just fine and suddenly remember being on the island and recognize the people they met and star crying and hug each other, (example sawyer and the blond doctor girl) whats up with that?
That timeline is the flash sideways. It's an afterlife, it occurs chronologically after they died, either on the island or due to old age or whatever.
I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt.
Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded.
3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special.
4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat.
5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions.
6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station.
7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan.
8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped.
9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father.
10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport.
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. + Show Spoiler +
Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he ask whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt.
Walt's story got closure: Walt has some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others need children to added to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded.
3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first women to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb.
4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat.
5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions.
6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with this for time travel in the Orchid Station.
7. The Lamp-post was built to DHARMA Initiative by the and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the main component of the MIB's plan.
8. The Egyptians built the statue. Probably because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped.
9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father.
10. It's Libby She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she denoted his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at the Sydney Airport.
Do you really find that explanation satisfactory. So the numbers that showed up everywhere were either magical numbers or just a bunch of numbers that by chance showed up everywhere all through the show. I guess there's no other explanation for the numbers in the show but it's another shitty halfassed attempt of making something mysterious that later just gets dropped and isn't properly explained. (No, magic or random chance isn't an explanation)
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. + Show Spoiler +
Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he ask whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt.
Walt's story got closure: Walt has some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others need children to added to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded.
3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first women to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb.
4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat.
5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions.
6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with this for time travel in the Orchid Station.
7. The Lamp-post was built to DHARMA Initiative by the and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the main component of the MIB's plan.
8. The Egyptians built the statue. Probably because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped.
9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father.
10. It's Libby She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she denoted his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at the Sydney Airport.
Do you really find that explanation satisfactory. So the numbers that showed up everywhere were either magical numbers or just a bunch of numbers that by chance showed up everywhere all through the show. I guess there's no other explanation for the numbers in the series but it's another shitty halfassed attempt of making something mysterious that later just gets dropped and isn't properly explained. (No, magic or random chance isn't an explanation)
I did think about the numbers a few times throughout the run of the show.
My conclusion at around the time of Season 3 was that the numbers were just numbers, and that no possible satisfactory explanation for why numbers show up everywhere can possibly exist.
If you had to invent a satisfactory explanation, you'd have a very hard time, and I'd like to hear what it would be.
So I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind since then. Numbers are numbers and they didn't really drive the story or have any important role, in any significant way. They showed up occasionally, and it was like "oh hi".
From a writer's perspective, it seemed like it was just a theme or motif, that certain things are constant and keep reoccurring, sort of like how people have accidentally stumbled upon, lived on, and died on, the Island, from the start of ship travel and all throughout human history.
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt.
Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded.
3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special.
4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat.
5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions.
6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station.
7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan.
8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped.
9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father.
10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport.
1. Numbers are just numbers? Then why other sequence of numbers didn't bring luck or take it away? Hugo was a normal person but he won using those numbers, his luck has died. You failed to answer those questions. 2. You didn't answer my questions. 3. Baby was special. Watch the show again. It was a big deal to get the baby immunized even if vaccine was a placebo 4. Again, vaccine. It was important to get the baby vaccinated. Stop avoiding this question... 5. Automated? Really? Type "24" on a 1970's PC and they would automatically send you the food. OK, sure. Lets say it was all packaged in 70s to be sent to island and they packaged tons of food. Sure but one thing, food was fucking perishable. That shit would've went bad in few weeks. Mayonnaise was there. OK sure, mayonnaise was special Dharma mayonnaise and their was food was covered in Dharma magic dust so it won't turn bad. Automated airplane? Automated shipping? Automated 50 year old automated system? Or did they simply have a mile long cannon that would shoot the food to an island using a new Dharma physical formula which was written by MiB in order to keep people there? Dude ... 6. Yeah, Romans came all the way to the South Pacific and same as Egyptians. Plus, this info wasn't even mentioned on show, stop making up stuff. 7. Again, Eloise thing is pure speculation on your part. Show me facts. Mistake by writers. 8. Again, Egyptians build that shit in South Pacific. Even Jacob didn't know who built it and you do. That statue was an Egyptian God of fertility. Jokes. 9. I mean, where is the corpse? It was on plane and boom, disappeared. 10. Speculation again.
Dude, I watched this show fairly analytically, and it failed on every level of logic. Not to sound mean, but you argue like extremely religious lunatics.
oh that explains everything and makes the show wonderful instead of it being a giant clusterfuck
It occurred in the afterlife, and not in the real world, i.e. not on the Island plus outside world. It would have been more ridiculous if they showed a church in the real world engulfed by light, but it wasn't a church in real life.
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt.
Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded.
3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special.
4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat.
5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions.
6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station.
7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan.
8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped.
9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father.
10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport.
1. Numbers are just numbers? Then why other sequence of numbers didn't bring luck or take it away? Hugo was a normal person but he won using those numbers, his luck has died. You failed to answer those questions. 2. You didn't answer my questions. 3. Baby was special. Watch the show again. It was a big deal to get the baby immunized even if vaccine was a placebo 4. Again, vaccine. It was important to get the baby vaccinated. Stop avoiding this question... 5. Automated? Really? Type "24" on a 1970's PC and they would automatically send you the food. OK, sure. Lets say it was all packaged in 70s to be sent to island and they packaged tons of food. Sure but one thing, food was fucking perishable. That shit would've went bad in few weeks. Mayonnaise was there. OK sure, mayonnaise was special Dharma mayonnaise and their was food was covered in Dharma magic dust so it won't turn bad. Automated airplane? Automated shipping? Automated 50 year old automated system? Or did they simply have a mile long cannon that would shoot the food to an island using a new Dharma physical formula which was written by MiB in order to keep people there? Dude ... 6. Yeah, Romans came all the way to the South Pacific and same as Egyptians. Plus, this info wasn't even mentioned on show, stop making up stuff. 7. Again, Eloise thing is pure speculation on your part. Show me facts. Mistake by writers. 8. Again, Egyptians build that shit in South Pacific. Even Jacob didn't know who built it and you do. That statue was an Egyptian God of fertility. Jokes. 9. I mean, where is the corpse? It was on plane and boom, disappeared. 10. Speculation again.
Dude, I watched this show fairly analytically, and it failed on every level of logic. Not to sound mean, but you argue like extremely religious lunatics.
1. There is no answer beyond, (a) numbers are numbers or (b) it's magic like Jacob. Take your pick. Either choice is consistent with the rest of the show. You don't like that, but it's the truth.
2. What's your question?
3, 4. The baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone").
6. The Island is capable of moving. It isn't always in the Pacific. The Romans did come by ship, and that was shown in the show (see the episode "Across the Sea"). At some point Egyptians obviously came given all the Egyptian structures they built.
7. The Lamp-post is not speculation. Eloise's motives are.
8. Egyptians obviously build an Egyptian statue.
9. The MIB almost surely moved it or destroyed it so his plan wouldn't be discovered.
10. It's not speculation that Libby was not insane before getting on the plane and that Libby's husband died (see episodes "?" and "Live Together, Die Alone", respectively).
The show is not meant to be didactic where they explicitly hit you over the head with the answer to every little insignificant question you may have.
You should also use the art of deduction for often.
Mm I actually really liked this show, but there were a handful of things there were actually unanswered. I cannot for the life of me remember one that completely went totally unanswered. Though people always say "what was the deal with the polar bear" which was clearly answered. Also the last season is purgatory if you will. Also Desmond is an awesome character. And the guy who can't die has one of the best flashback episodes. If I remember what the unanswerable question was I might come back to ask
On January 14 2012 11:55 FireSA wrote: Mm I actually really liked this show, but there were a handful of things there were actually unanswered. I cannot for the life of me remember one that completely went totally unanswered. Though people always say "what was the deal with the polar bear" which was clearly answered. Also the last season is purgatory if you will. Also Desmond is an awesome character. And the guy who can't die has one of the best flashback episodes. If I remember what the unanswerable question was I might come back to ask
Not really. The 10% of the last season that occurred in the flash sideways storyline is purgatory. Everything else is real.
You know, you can stop pretending you know much. I am well aware that the stuff on the island happened, and the flashes sideways were purgatory. At this point you are merely answering questions that either have ambiguous answers just because of strange arbitrary plot devices used, or you are answering questions of people who clearly did not watch the whole thing.
The problem is a lot of people don't want "answers," but "explinations." They don't care about the island having some mysitcal power source that causes all these things to happen (which is an answer) but rather some lame "aliens from the planet Zarktor came and crashed a ship on that exact spot 8 million years ago." It doesn't really matter why these things happened. What matters is how they happened. Which tied in nicely with the themes of the show about faith and life being the journey, not the destination.
This Lotr dude that hangs himself.. He gets hold of some cocaine from a plain.. Is this colombian if not, where is it from? Is the cocaine mixed or the real deal?
Also, whats the deal with Lock. Isen't he some kind of retard? How come he's so pro at exotic wildlife stuff?
Im a huge Lost fan, so please tell me why Jack knew so much about Flight 815's blackbox? What book we're their reading in Juliet's fanclub when the plane crashed? What was Roseou's team investigating? How can the other's travel through the jungle without making any sounds? And most importantly, The gang found a set of canoes at their old encampment, whose canoes were those and when they took their canoes out to the ocean who started shooting at them right before the time warp kicked in at the last second?
Lost ending did sucked bad and this is coming from a Lost fan who watched it from the beginning to the end (missed a few episode though due to night class and work). Though I've forgotten somethings there were a lot of holes in the story lines that the story writer covered up or just said the hell with it. The OP doesnt have all the answer to lost and thats for sure after reading 13 pages of this topic.
To answer everyone's question about Walt IMO, Walt was shit to the story line and was never really big. I dont remember watching the episode with Walt having special power and killing birds and shit. The others knew that the island and certain people were special like Richard and Ben. They didnt care about Walt (one more special person wow). They baited Michael using Walt to kill the people on Jacob's list, since the MIB could not kill anyone on the list (seems like only people on the list can kill people on the list on the island).
Questions for OP
1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages).
2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin?
3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season?
4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel).
5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation?
6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly).
7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave?
8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)?
9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)?
10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island?
11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island.
12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
On January 14 2012 12:08 TKHawkins wrote: The problem is a lot of people don't want "answers," but "explinations." They don't care about the island having some mysitcal power source that causes all these things to happen (which is an answer) but rather some lame "aliens from the planet Zarktor came and crashed a ship on that exact spot 8 million years ago." It doesn't really matter why these things happened. What matters is how they happened. Which tied in nicely with the themes of the show about faith and life being the journey, not the destination.
You know why people don't really care for the "magic" explanation? Because it's a cop out of huge proportions and explaining away so much with something as lame as "magical energy" is both bad and unrevarding after watching the show for years.
On January 14 2012 15:12 benshin wrote: This Lotr dude that hangs himself.. He gets hold of some cocaine from a plain.. Is this colombian if not, where is it from? Is the cocaine mixed or the real deal?
Also, whats the deal with Lock. Isen't he some kind of retard? How come he's so pro at exotic wildlife stuff?
I’d guess we would never know if the heroin was the real deal. Another unsolved mystery.
On January 14 2012 15:26 McFeser wrote: Im a huge Lost fan, so please tell me why Jack knew so much about Flight 815's blackbox?
He didn't. The (fake) black box was dug up from the bottom of the ocean in the fake Oceanic 815 which Widmore placed. If you're talking about the transciever in the first episode, Jack presumably knew that planes had them.
What book we're their reading in Juliet's fanclub when the plane crashed?
Carrie, Stephen King.
What was Roseou's team investigating?
It was a science expedition, so something to do with science.
How can the other's travel through the jungle without making any sounds?
They can't. They're just normal people. Although they seemed to be very tricksy and very well adapted to the island environment as they have live there for many years.
And most importantly, The gang found a set of canoes at their old encampment, whose canoes were those and when they took their canoes out to the ocean who started shooting at them right before the time warp kicked in at the last second?
There is no answer to this question. You can either assume it was a group of Widmore's men when he came on the Island in Season 6 or a group of people who came onto the Island sometime after the last episode.
On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote: 1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages).
Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here.
2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin?
Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB.
3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season?
He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue.
4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel).
In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others.
5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation?
Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning.
6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly).
The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable.
7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave?
Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored.
8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)?
After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was.
9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)?
While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable.
10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island?
No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them.
11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island.
It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed.
12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later
There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6).
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. + Show Spoiler +
Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he ask whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt.
Walt's story got closure: Walt has some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others need children to added to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded.
3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first women to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb.
4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat.
5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions.
6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with this for time travel in the Orchid Station.
7. The Lamp-post was built to DHARMA Initiative by the and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the main component of the MIB's plan.
8. The Egyptians built the statue. Probably because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped.
9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father.
10. It's Libby She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she denoted his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at the Sydney Airport.
Do you really find that explanation satisfactory. So the numbers that showed up everywhere were either magical numbers or just a bunch of numbers that by chance showed up everywhere all through the show. I guess there's no other explanation for the numbers in the series but it's another shitty halfassed attempt of making something mysterious that later just gets dropped and isn't properly explained. (No, magic or random chance isn't an explanation)
I did think about the numbers a few times throughout the run of the show.
My conclusion at around the time of Season 3 was that the numbers were just numbers, and that no possible satisfactory explanation for why numbers show up everywhere can possibly exist.
If you had to invent a satisfactory explanation, you'd have a very hard time, and I'd like to hear what it would be.
So I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind since then. Numbers are numbers and they didn't really drive the story or have any important role, in any significant way. They showed up occasionally, and it was like "oh hi".
From a writer's perspective, it seemed like it was just a theme or motif, that certain things are constant and keep reoccurring, sort of like how people have accidentally stumbled upon, lived on, and died on, the Island, from the start of ship travel and all throughout human history.
Ok, so there were no good ways for the writers to explain the numbers, but that is their fault for introducing them in the first place. Writing yourself into a situation you can't resolve in a satisfactory manner is simply bad writing. If the numbers weren't important, they shouldn't have made a big deal of them. That they were an allegory for certain things recurring through history is speculation on your part. Even if that is true, it wasn't very effective since most of the audience expected the numbers to mean something concrete, and not just be some wishy-washy allegory.
Why is it when the man in black enters the cave of light he becomes the smoke monster, but when Jack and Desmond goes in they aren't affected. Why is the island so significant i.e. why did darhma move in and set up camp.
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt.
Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded.
3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special.
4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat.
5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions.
6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station.
7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan.
8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped.
9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father.
10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport.
1. Numbers are just numbers? Then why other sequence of numbers didn't bring luck or take it away? Hugo was a normal person but he won using those numbers, his luck has died. You failed to answer those questions. 2. You didn't answer my questions. 3. Baby was special. Watch the show again. It was a big deal to get the baby immunized even if vaccine was a placebo 4. Again, vaccine. It was important to get the baby vaccinated. Stop avoiding this question... 5. Automated? Really? Type "24" on a 1970's PC and they would automatically send you the food. OK, sure. Lets say it was all packaged in 70s to be sent to island and they packaged tons of food. Sure but one thing, food was fucking perishable. That shit would've went bad in few weeks. Mayonnaise was there. OK sure, mayonnaise was special Dharma mayonnaise and their was food was covered in Dharma magic dust so it won't turn bad. Automated airplane? Automated shipping? Automated 50 year old automated system? Or did they simply have a mile long cannon that would shoot the food to an island using a new Dharma physical formula which was written by MiB in order to keep people there? Dude ... 6. Yeah, Romans came all the way to the South Pacific and same as Egyptians. Plus, this info wasn't even mentioned on show, stop making up stuff. 7. Again, Eloise thing is pure speculation on your part. Show me facts. Mistake by writers. 8. Again, Egyptians build that shit in South Pacific. Even Jacob didn't know who built it and you do. That statue was an Egyptian God of fertility. Jokes. 9. I mean, where is the corpse? It was on plane and boom, disappeared. 10. Speculation again.
Dude, I watched this show fairly analytically, and it failed on every level of logic. Not to sound mean, but you argue like extremely religious lunatics.
1. There is no answer beyond, (a) numbers are numbers or (b) it's magic like Jacob. Take your pick. Either choice is consistent with the rest of the show. You don't like that, but it's the truth.
2. What's your question?
3, 4. The baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone").
6. The Island is capable of moving. It isn't always in the Pacific. The Romans did come by ship, and that was shown in the show (see the episode "Across the Sea"). At some point Egyptians obviously came given all the Egyptian structures they built.
7. The Lamp-post is not speculation. Eloise's motives are.
8. Egyptians obviously build an Egyptian statue.
9. The MIB almost surely moved it or destroyed it so his plan wouldn't be discovered.
10. It's not speculation that Libby was not insane before getting on the plane and that Libby's husband died (see episodes "?" and "Live Together, Die Alone", respectively).
The show is not meant to be didactic where they explicitly hit you over the head with the answer to every little insignificant question you may have.
You should also use the art of deduction for often.
A big portion of your answers just shows how many stupid red herrings the writers used in the show. You call it insignificant questions, I call it questions that clearly show how the writers didn't have a clear direction with the show. That or you just don't know the real answers to the questions, which leave me to wonder what is the point of this whole thread.
I don't even really remember lost that well. But I remember thinking about it and reading up on it for a long while. And I remember concluding that it was stupid not because they didn't answer questions, but because the answers were so mindbogglingly stupid and uninteresting. First three seasons were great! And then all the time travel and other dumb stuff was introduced, which made me hate lost.
And the ending was crap, no matter what your interpretation of it is.
never finished watching it, might be my brain playing tricks on me but if i remember correctly i stopped watching after the first episode since the writers strike was over. Loved the first couple of seasons but felt it became just plain dumb after a while. My question would be, did they change writers, directors or something during the strike?
On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote: 1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages).
Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here.
2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin?
Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB.
3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season?
He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue.
4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel).
In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others.
5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation?
Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning.
7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave?
Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored.
8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)?
After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was.
9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)?
While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable.
10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island?
No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them.
11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island.
It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed.
12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
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There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6).
2. You answered question 2 with a question what type of answer is that?
4. Why didnt Miles die from the flashes he and Charlotte were born on the island pretty much having the same exposure? The radio guy died in "The Constant" just by being near the phone where 5. If you watch the episode about Miles, when he visits his mother in the hospital she was having radiation poisoning characteristic, pretty much hinting she was dying from radiation poisoning.
6. If the magic stopped why didnt the Lock changed back to MIB. (Dont give me ur opinions I want answers)
7. Why didnt Jack come back to life after restoring the rock. The rules should have been applied and kept him from dying.
8. Faraday's mother stopped Desmond from marrying Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." She knew that he was time traveling. Thats when she tells him that he cant changed the future.
12. Well I guess you dont have all the answer to lost since you couldnt even provide an answer to this question. We can tell that the ship was outside of the islands range, by the helicopters coordinates in "The Constant." The pilot had a cheat sheet to get back to the ship. Jin was affected because he started to swim back to the island. But that still doesnt explain how the MIB got on the ship. That was the MIB on the ship because he appeared out of thin air and told Michael he will take care of it.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
I think this was my biggest early frustration with the series. To have made such a big deal out of this kid and then to have absolutely no follow up and no demonstration of what actually the big deal, it just kills the tension. What was the point really? It's like having Frodo journey all the way to Gondor with the reader under the impression that the Ring was the key to destroying Sauron and then the Ring get's lost halfway through and we forget about it entirely. Alright, so maybe the 'chosen one' wasn't as big a deal as the One Ring, but considering the amount of crazy visions, kidnapping plots that built up to... absolutely nothing. I actually like the misdirection everyone thinking it was Claire's baby, but it turns out to be Walt. But it was one of those continuing plot tensions that completely swept under the rug.
I really liked Lost in it's early stages. It had the feeling of Myst or Riven with the weird hatch, leftover high-tech, but ancient. And in that sense I liked the return to that feel in Season 6. But I didn't really like the flash back and forward in time combined with the flash sideways. It felt like they had run out of backstory flashbacks to do so they created something else entirely and it just put too many things on the table. It made everything else feel crowded rather than sticking with and expanding upon the elements they had introduced in the first 3 seasons. (It felt more of a natural progression of S1 discovery/survival on island, S2 discovery hatch, S3 the Others. S4-6 where... I don't even know.
My specific question has to do with Jacob's Cabin. So one too many plot twists later I just couldn't be bothered to go back to figure out the real motivation and purpose with all the misdirection. Originally Locke was given some sort of purpose or direction from "Jacob" and I actually liked his transition from an outcast man of faith to a confident man of action (until he turned into cult leader, threatening guns at everyone.) But it turns out Jacob's Cabin was actually Christian who was actually the MiB. But by the time they revealed that, I had lost track of what the original purpose/ mission was and so I couldn't figure out what MiB gained from the entire enterprise. Any ideas?
On January 15 2012 08:03 Fireflies wrote: I heard that Lost was meant to last for three seasons but that it was dragged out because so many people watched it.Is that true?
No they didn't know how long it would be at the outset, and that is part of the problem (it is the networks decision, not just the writers). It picked up pace a lot from season 4 since they made a deal late in season 3 that there would be only three more seasons with only 16 episodes each. That let them allow the story to progress without risking to use up all their ideas. But it also meant that a lot of things that had been mysterious and made a big deal of in the earlier seasons got a lot of fast answers and got trivialized.
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt.
Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded.
3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special.
4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat.
5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions.
6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station.
7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan.
8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped.
9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father.
10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport.
1. Numbers are just numbers? Then why other sequence of numbers didn't bring luck or take it away? Hugo was a normal person but he won using those numbers, his luck has died. You failed to answer those questions. 2. You didn't answer my questions. 3. Baby was special. Watch the show again. It was a big deal to get the baby immunized even if vaccine was a placebo 4. Again, vaccine. It was important to get the baby vaccinated. Stop avoiding this question... 5. Automated? Really? Type "24" on a 1970's PC and they would automatically send you the food. OK, sure. Lets say it was all packaged in 70s to be sent to island and they packaged tons of food. Sure but one thing, food was fucking perishable. That shit would've went bad in few weeks. Mayonnaise was there. OK sure, mayonnaise was special Dharma mayonnaise and their was food was covered in Dharma magic dust so it won't turn bad. Automated airplane? Automated shipping? Automated 50 year old automated system? Or did they simply have a mile long cannon that would shoot the food to an island using a new Dharma physical formula which was written by MiB in order to keep people there? Dude ... 6. Yeah, Romans came all the way to the South Pacific and same as Egyptians. Plus, this info wasn't even mentioned on show, stop making up stuff. 7. Again, Eloise thing is pure speculation on your part. Show me facts. Mistake by writers. 8. Again, Egyptians build that shit in South Pacific. Even Jacob didn't know who built it and you do. That statue was an Egyptian God of fertility. Jokes. 9. I mean, where is the corpse? It was on plane and boom, disappeared. 10. Speculation again.
Dude, I watched this show fairly analytically, and it failed on every level of logic. Not to sound mean, but you argue like extremely religious lunatics.
1. There is no answer beyond, (a) numbers are numbers or (b) it's magic like Jacob. Take your pick. Either choice is consistent with the rest of the show. You don't like that, but it's the truth.
2. What's your question?
3, 4. The baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone").
6. The Island is capable of moving. It isn't always in the Pacific. The Romans did come by ship, and that was shown in the show (see the episode "Across the Sea"). At some point Egyptians obviously came given all the Egyptian structures they built.
7. The Lamp-post is not speculation. Eloise's motives are.
8. Egyptians obviously build an Egyptian statue.
9. The MIB almost surely moved it or destroyed it so his plan wouldn't be discovered.
10. It's not speculation that Libby was not insane before getting on the plane and that Libby's husband died (see episodes "?" and "Live Together, Die Alone", respectively).
The show is not meant to be didactic where they explicitly hit you over the head with the answer to every little insignificant question you may have.
You should also use the art of deduction for often.
A big portion of your answers just shows how many stupid red herrings the writers used in the show. You call it insignificant questions, I call it questions that clearly show how the writers didn't have a clear direction with the show. That or you just don't know the real answers to the questions, which leave me to wonder what is the point of this whole thread.
Out of those 10 "questions": 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, I have answered definitively, and I can provide you with exact references from the show of these answers if you want. 1, 8, 9, are almost surely the truth given what has been shown on the show. 2, isn't a question at all.
On January 14 2012 23:50 Retgery wrote: Why is it when the man in black enters the cave of light he becomes the smoke monster, but when Jack and Desmond goes in they aren't affected. Why is the island so significant i.e. why did darhma move in and set up camp.
1. The nature of the Smoke Monster and the Light is speculative, and no definitive answer has been given on the show. There are several theories on why the MIB turned into the Smoke Monster, while Jack and Desmond didn't. The answer could be as mundane as Desmond not being affected by electromagnetism, and that Jack didn't really get zapped by the Light since when he put the cork back in, the Light was out and didn't get restored completely until a bit later.
A further point on this issue. Here's a quote (from the Across the Sea audio commentary) about the speculation on whether or not Jacob's Mother was the Smoke Monster, and goes to explain why mysteries of this sort were not directly addressed on the show.
Damon Lindelof: ...she has laid waste to the entire village. And what an interesting theory that is because one of the questions that keeps arising is: If Jacob's smoke monster was his brother, then who was the smoke monster before him? Or was the smoke monster actually created in this episode? Does good always need evil? And that is an excellent question to be asking. Why weren't we clearer, more defined, about that? Carlton, why won't we just answer the question?
Carlton Cuse: By answering that question I think we would strip the audience of their ability to have the exact conversation that you and I are having. And to debate the exact issues that you mention. And that is the part of Lost that we feel... ...that we should not take away from the audience. We feel like the show speaks for itself but the show has things that are intentionally ambiguous to allow people to debate and discuss. This is one of them. Which is, what is the origin of evil? Does it exist as this episode is started or are we seeing the origin of evil? ls this a Garden of Eden story? Or is this really a morality tale in which there are still unrevealed mysteries?
On January 15 2012 00:49 henkel wrote: never finished watching it, might be my brain playing tricks on me but if i remember correctly i stopped watching after the first episode since the writers strike was over. Loved the first couple of seasons but felt it became just plain dumb after a while. My question would be, did they change writers, directors or something during the strike?
No. Damon Lindelof was one of the co-creators of the show, and was showrunner from beginning to end. Carlton Cuse joined as showrunner about halfway through Season 1 and also stayed in that role to the end. So the same people were driving the creative direction of the show from start to end.
When John and Benjamin wen't to the cabin for the first time, and John didn't see anyone. At the end of the scene there was a figure on the chair(Jacob) that looked nothing like the Jacob during the last season. Why was he an old bald bearded fat guy in the cabin but young fit haired guy in the last season
On January 15 2012 12:36 gosublade wrote: When John and Benjamin wen't to the cabin for the first time, and John didn't see anyone. At the end of the scene there was a figure on the chair(Jacob) that looked nothing like the Jacob during the last season. Why was he an old bald bearded fat guy in the cabin but young fit haired guy in the last season
I think they literally just didn't hire the actor until later.
On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote: 1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages).
Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here.
2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin?
Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB.
3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season?
He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue.
4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel).
In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others.
5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation?
Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning.
6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly).
The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable.
7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave?
Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored.
8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)?
After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was.
9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)?
While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable.
10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island?
No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them.
11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island.
It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed.
12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
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There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6).
2. You answered question 2 with a question what type of answer is that?
4. Why didnt Miles die from the flashes he and Charlotte were born on the island pretty much having the same exposure? The radio guy died in "The Constant" just by being near the phone where 5. If you watch the episode about Miles, when he visits his mother in the hospital she was having radiation poisoning characteristic, pretty much hinting she was dying from radiation poisoning.
6. If the magic stopped why didnt the Lock changed back to MIB. (Dont give me ur opinions I want answers)
7. Why didnt Jack come back to life after restoring the rock. The rules should have been applied and kept him from dying.
8. Faraday's mother stopped Desmond from marrying Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." She knew that he was time traveling. Thats when she tells him that he cant changed the future.
12. Well I guess you dont have all the answer to lost since you couldnt even provide an answer to this question. We can tell that the ship was outside of the islands range, by the helicopters coordinates in "The Constant." The pilot had a cheat sheet to get back to the ship. Jin was affected because he started to swim back to the island. But that still doesnt explain how the MIB got on the ship. That was the MIB on the ship because he appeared out of thin air and told Michael he will take care of it.
2. I'm not sure what you meant. You ask how did the MIB get trapped and then released. I answered by saying the only people on the Island on the period of time between the cabin being built and the crash were DHARMA, the Others, and Jacob. So the answer to how he was trapped was one of these 3 parties did it. We don't know which. He was released when one of these 3 parties broke the ash circle. That's not a complete answer, but that's as close to an answer as the show has given.
4. Miles was a baby when he was evacuated from the Island, Charlotte had lived there for several years and was a young child. If I had to guess from the age of the child actors playing them, Miles was about 1 years old, and Charlotte was about 8 or 9.
5. It wasn't stated that she was dying from radiation poisoning, and I don't think radiation poisoning occurs like 20-30 years after exposure, even though she was never exposed.
6. Illana said the MIB was stuck in Locke's form because Jacob died (see the episode "The Substitute").
7. Firstly, it seems the Rules don't prevent people from indirectly killing each other, such as when Jacob through the MIB down the Source. Secondly, the MIB stabbed Jack when the Source was out, so the Rules didn't apply. Thirdly, Jack didn't only die from the stabbing, the electromagnetic energy after he sat in the Source for a few moments after recorking it also contributed to his death.
8. In that episode, Desmond was consciousness traveling (as he was in "The Constant"), but Eloise didn't know that. Obviously she knew what "whatever happened, happened", because she was a physicist who dedicated her studies to time travel after killing her son. Her knowledge of the future can only be explained by having Faraday's journal, which she was reading in "Follow the Leader". Also note that Desmond was mention in Faraday's journal as his constant.
12. The Whispers can be heard before Christian's appearance, which suggests that the ship was in the radius of the Island. Further, it was never said that the time dilation effects that occur on the area surrounding the Island, occur on the boundary of the Island's radius. There is no direct answer given to this question on the show. As I've already said, you're free to speculate whether it was the MIB or whether it was Christian's spirit or whether it was someone else.
On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote: 1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages).
Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here.
2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin?
Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB.
3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season?
He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue.
4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel).
In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others.
5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation?
Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning.
6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly).
The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable.
7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave?
Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored.
8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)?
After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was.
9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)?
While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable.
10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island?
No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them.
11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island.
It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed.
12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later
There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6).
2. You answered question 2 with a question what type of answer is that?
4. Why didnt Miles die from the flashes he and Charlotte were born on the island pretty much having the same exposure? The radio guy died in "The Constant" just by being near the phone where 5. If you watch the episode about Miles, when he visits his mother in the hospital she was having radiation poisoning characteristic, pretty much hinting she was dying from radiation poisoning.
6. If the magic stopped why didnt the Lock changed back to MIB. (Dont give me ur opinions I want answers)
7. Why didnt Jack come back to life after restoring the rock. The rules should have been applied and kept him from dying.
8. Faraday's mother stopped Desmond from marrying Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." She knew that he was time traveling. Thats when she tells him that he cant changed the future.
12. Well I guess you dont have all the answer to lost since you couldnt even provide an answer to this question. We can tell that the ship was outside of the islands range, by the helicopters coordinates in "The Constant." The pilot had a cheat sheet to get back to the ship. Jin was affected because he started to swim back to the island. But that still doesnt explain how the MIB got on the ship. That was the MIB on the ship because he appeared out of thin air and told Michael he will take care of it.
2. I'm not sure what you meant. You ask how did the MIB get trapped and then released. I answered by saying the only people on the Island on the period of time between when the cabin was built and the crash were DHARMA, the Others, and Jacob. So the answer to how he was trapped was one of these 3 parties did it. We don't know which. He was released when one of these 3 parties broke the ash circle. That's not a complete answer, but that's as close to an answer as the show has given.
4. Miles was a baby when he was evacuated from the Island, Charlotte had lived there for several years and was a young child. If I had to guess from the age of the child actors playing them, Miles about 1 years old, and Charlotte was about 8 or 9.
5. It wasn't stated that she was dying from radiation poisoning, and I don't think radiation poison occurs like 20-30 years after exposure, even through she was never exposed.
6. Because Illana said he was the MIB was stuck the Locke's form because Jacob died (see the episode "The Substitute").
7. Firstly, it seems the Rules don't prevent people from indirectly killing each other, such as when Jacob through the MIB down the Source. Secondly, the MIB stabbed Jack when the Source was out, so the Rules didn't apply. Thirdly, Jack didn't only died from the stabbing, the electromagnetic energy after he sat in the Source for a few moments after recorking it also contributed to his death.
8. In that episode, Desmond was consciousnesses traveling (as he was in "The Constant"), but Eloise didn't know that. Obviously she knew what "whatever happened, happened", because she was a physicist, so dedicated her studies to time travel after killing her son. Her knowledge of the future can only be explained by having Faraday's journal, which she was reading in "Follow the Leader". Also note that Desmond was mention in Faraday's journal as his constant.
12. There is no direct answer given to this question given on the show.
tyvm for doing this, I really appreciated the answers and it was a good read
On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote: 1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages).
Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here.
2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin?
Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB.
3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season?
He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue.
4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel).
In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others.
5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation?
Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning.
6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly).
The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable.
7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave?
Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored.
8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)?
After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was.
9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)?
While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable.
10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island?
No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them.
11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island.
It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed.
12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later
There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6).
2. You answered question 2 with a question what type of answer is that?
4. Why didnt Miles die from the flashes he and Charlotte were born on the island pretty much having the same exposure? The radio guy died in "The Constant" just by being near the phone where 5. If you watch the episode about Miles, when he visits his mother in the hospital she was having radiation poisoning characteristic, pretty much hinting she was dying from radiation poisoning.
6. If the magic stopped why didnt the Lock changed back to MIB. (Dont give me ur opinions I want answers)
7. Why didnt Jack come back to life after restoring the rock. The rules should have been applied and kept him from dying.
8. Faraday's mother stopped Desmond from marrying Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." She knew that he was time traveling. Thats when she tells him that he cant changed the future.
12. Well I guess you dont have all the answer to lost since you couldnt even provide an answer to this question. We can tell that the ship was outside of the islands range, by the helicopters coordinates in "The Constant." The pilot had a cheat sheet to get back to the ship. Jin was affected because he started to swim back to the island. But that still doesnt explain how the MIB got on the ship. That was the MIB on the ship because he appeared out of thin air and told Michael he will take care of it.
2. I'm not sure what you meant. You ask how did the MIB get trapped and then released. I answered by saying the only people on the Island on the period of time between when the cabin was built and the crash were DHARMA, the Others, and Jacob. So the answer to how he was trapped was one of these 3 parties did it. We don't know which. He was released when one of these 3 parties broke the ash circle. That's not a complete answer, but that's as close to an answer as the show has given.
4. Miles was a baby when he was evacuated from the Island, Charlotte had lived there for several years and was a young child. If I had to guess from the age of the child actors playing them, Miles about 1 years old, and Charlotte was about 8 or 9.
5. It wasn't stated that she was dying from radiation poisoning, and I don't think radiation poison occurs like 20-30 years after exposure, even through she was never exposed.
6. Because Illana said he was the MIB was stuck the Locke's form because Jacob died (see the episode "The Substitute").
7. Firstly, it seems the Rules don't prevent people from indirectly killing each other, such as when Jacob through the MIB down the Source. Secondly, the MIB stabbed Jack when the Source was out, so the Rules didn't apply. Thirdly, Jack didn't only died from the stabbing, the electromagnetic energy after he sat in the Source for a few moments after recorking it also contributed to his death.
8. In that episode, Desmond was consciousnesses traveling (as he was in "The Constant"), but Eloise didn't know that. Obviously she knew what "whatever happened, happened", because she was a physicist, so dedicated her studies to time travel after killing her son. Her knowledge of the future can only be explained by having Faraday's journal, which she was reading in "Follow the Leader". Also note that Desmond was mention in Faraday's journal as his constant.
12. There is no direct answer given to this question given on the show.
tyvm for doing this, I really appreciated the answers and it was a good read
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
I think this was my biggest early frustration with the series. To have made such a big deal out of this kid and then to have absolutely no follow up and no demonstration of what actually the big deal, it just kills the tension. What was the point really? It's like having Frodo journey all the way to Gondor with the reader under the impression that the Ring was the key to destroying Sauron and then the Ring get's lost halfway through and we forget about it entirely. Alright, so maybe the 'chosen one' wasn't as big a deal as the One Ring, but considering the amount of crazy visions, kidnapping plots that built up to... absolutely nothing. I actually like the misdirection everyone thinking it was Claire's baby, but it turns out to be Walt. But it was one of those continuing plot tensions that completely swept under the rug.
I really liked Lost in it's early stages. It had the feeling of Myst or Riven with the weird hatch, leftover high-tech, but ancient. And in that sense I liked the return to that feel in Season 6. But I didn't really like the flash back and forward in time combined with the flash sideways. It felt like they had run out of backstory flashbacks to do so they created something else entirely and it just put too many things on the table. It made everything else feel crowded rather than sticking with and expanding upon the elements they had introduced in the first 3 seasons. (It felt more of a natural progression of S1 discovery/survival on island, S2 discovery hatch, S3 the Others. S4-6 where... I don't even know.
My specific question has to do with Jacob's Cabin. So one too many plot twists later I just couldn't be bothered to go back to figure out the real motivation and purpose with all the misdirection. Originally Locke was given some sort of purpose or direction from "Jacob" and I actually liked his transition from an outcast man of faith to a confident man of action (until he turned into cult leader, threatening guns at everyone.) But it turns out Jacob's Cabin was actually Christian who was actually the MiB. But by the time they revealed that, I had lost track of what the original purpose/ mission was and so I couldn't figure out what MiB gained from the entire enterprise. Any ideas?
1. I've explained like 3 times why they kidnapped Walt: (1) They kidnapped children in general to brainwash them into joining as they cannot make babies (mothers always die in birth), (2) To study Walt's special powers.
2. Claire's baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone"). Nothing that suggested the baby was special turned out to not be a fraud. Claire however was the first mother to give birth on the Island without dying since the hydrogen bomb.
3. Yes, they did run out of material for flashbacks. The producers said that they knew from the very beginning that they couldn't make 6 years of flashbacks.
4. Locke was never given any direction from Jacob. In fact Ben, who told Locke about Jacob had never met him. Jacob only ever talks to Richard, because of his fanatical belief in giving people choices, and to prove to the MIB that people can be good when left on their own. Yes, it wasn't Jacob's cabin, it was the MIB's prison.
5. Here's the MIB's plan: (1) Discredit Ben and make Locke feel special so that he becomes the leader of the Others. (2) Get Ben to kill Locke because of jealousy. (3) Take Locke's body. (4) Turn into Monster form, to blackmail Ben into doing everything Locke says. (5) Now that he is the leader of the Others, force Richard to give up the location of Jacob. (6) Tell Ben to kill Jacob because Ben will do everything Locke says.
S1: Introduction, S2: Hatch, S3:Others, S4: Getting off the Island, S5: Time Travel and DHARMA, S6: Jacob vs MIB.
One question that always bugged me was why women die when they got pregnant on the island, was there ever any answers to that? Also, the temple where Sayid got brought back to life, what the hell was this about and who were those people?
Why did Juliet say "it worked" when Sawyer went down to rescue her before she died? It made me think that the sideways flashback world was what had actually happened because they changed time.
On January 16 2012 03:38 v3chr0 wrote: From reading a lot of these responses, I'm glad i never watched more than a few episodes. lol
Lost was really good for the first few seasons. After that it kind of went rediculous (time travel was so retarded I still can't believe they added that in lol...). So many things were dumb I couldn't believe the writers thought it was a good idea xD
On January 14 2012 01:08 Sroobz wrote: Why did the ending suck so much?
How did 99% of the story relate to the ending?
What the FUCK was the point of Jacob/Smoke guy/Richard?
PS: Loved the show, just ranting a little about my dislike of the ending
1. I can't help you there.
2. In terms of mythology, the ending doesn't relate. The ending was a character story, i.e. what eventually happens to Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, the MIB, etc.
On January 16 2012 03:38 v3chr0 wrote: From reading a lot of these responses, I'm glad i never watched more than a few episodes. lol
Lost was really good for the first few seasons. After that it kind of went rediculous (time travel was so retarded I still can't believe they added that in lol...). So many things were dumb I couldn't believe the writers thought it was a good idea xD
Look, adding xD to the end of your post doesn't make it less offensive. But you're completely right. Lost was good at first and then went to shit. What a terrible show, it's a shame that trash like this makes megabucks while actually good shows like Firefly get shut down.
Ive never even watched or heard anything about Lost, but after reading the answers to the questions in this thread it seems absolutely off the wall ridiculous lol.
I was going to read this thread in its entirety but then people started comparing the story of a sci fi TV show to their own lives and demanding a physical explanation for everything going on. I then put my face in my palms and thought a while about how the same people probably are fans of things like star wars and lord of the rings etc. You don't freak out about lotr because they don't explain how gandalf can shoot white magic at his enemies.
Just because you decided that LOST was going to be a show where every single action taken is compatible with our laws of physics doesn't mean that the writers are obligated to cater to you. If you can't appreciate the acting and dramatic storylines that made lost so great because of some OCD driven obsession that the show didn't turn out the way you thought it would then I truly pity you. Truly.
Pretty tired of people hating on lost becasue of petty reasons. If you're gonna nitpick about plot holes then go watch a david lynch movie or something. That should give you material enough to write a small novel.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
I think this was my biggest early frustration with the series. To have made such a big deal out of this kid and then to have absolutely no follow up and no demonstration of what actually the big deal, it just kills the tension. What was the point really? It's like having Frodo journey all the way to Gondor with the reader under the impression that the Ring was the key to destroying Sauron and then the Ring get's lost halfway through and we forget about it entirely. Alright, so maybe the 'chosen one' wasn't as big a deal as the One Ring, but considering the amount of crazy visions, kidnapping plots that built up to... absolutely nothing. I actually like the misdirection everyone thinking it was Claire's baby, but it turns out to be Walt. But it was one of those continuing plot tensions that completely swept under the rug.
I really liked Lost in it's early stages. It had the feeling of Myst or Riven with the weird hatch, leftover high-tech, but ancient. And in that sense I liked the return to that feel in Season 6. But I didn't really like the flash back and forward in time combined with the flash sideways. It felt like they had run out of backstory flashbacks to do so they created something else entirely and it just put too many things on the table. It made everything else feel crowded rather than sticking with and expanding upon the elements they had introduced in the first 3 seasons. (It felt more of a natural progression of S1 discovery/survival on island, S2 discovery hatch, S3 the Others. S4-6 where... I don't even know.
My specific question has to do with Jacob's Cabin. So one too many plot twists later I just couldn't be bothered to go back to figure out the real motivation and purpose with all the misdirection. Originally Locke was given some sort of purpose or direction from "Jacob" and I actually liked his transition from an outcast man of faith to a confident man of action (until he turned into cult leader, threatening guns at everyone.) But it turns out Jacob's Cabin was actually Christian who was actually the MiB. But by the time they revealed that, I had lost track of what the original purpose/ mission was and so I couldn't figure out what MiB gained from the entire enterprise. Any ideas?
1. I've explained like 3 times why they kidnapped Walt: (1) They kidnapped children in general to brainwash them into joining as they cannot make babies (mothers always die in birth), (2) To study Walt's special powers.
2. Claire's baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone"). Nothing that suggested the baby was special turned out to not be a fraud. Claire however was the first mother to give birth on the Island without dying since the hydrogen bomb.
Yeah I did read your other answers. The first part was more of a rant than a question. I 'get' what they did, but it's not very satisfying. It feels like a broken promise by the creators. The misdirection with the Claire's baby was a clever red herring, but writing Walt out of the picture just feels like they couldn't deliver what they promised.
Actually, I think that's the main problem Lost suffered in it's later seasons. There were so many promises and mysteries presented in such a convoluted mess, that it was impossible to give a satisfying answer. Just the nature of the convolution makes even the Light at the end feel a cop out as other have mentioned. Not everything needs the gears and mechanisms revealed. Lord of the Ring we don't really know how the magic works, but that was never the focus. Lost was all about discovery and so made a lot of promises.
Thanks for the overview of MiB's plan. By that time in the plot it had gotten too convoluted with moving pieces that I didn't know people's motivation anymore. (And I have watched non-linear films like Memento, but this had soooo many concept thrown in.)
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
Actually, acording to the writers it was Walt that summoned the polar bear to the Island. It was on later Season when they discovered that the other island had a kind of a zoo that they assumed that the bear escaped from.
On January 14 2012 15:26 McFeser wrote: Im a huge Lost fan, so please tell me why Jack knew so much about Flight 815's blackbox?
He didn't. The (fake) black box was dug up from the bottom of the ocean in the fake Oceanic 815 which Widmore placed. If you're talking about the transciever in the first episode, Jack presumably knew that planes had them.
How can the other's travel through the jungle without making any sounds?
They can't. They're just normal people. Although they seemed to be very tricksy and very well adapted to the island environment as they have live there for many years.
And most importantly, The gang found a set of canoes at their old encampment, whose canoes were those and when they took their canoes out to the ocean who started shooting at them right before the time warp kicked in at the last second?
There is no answer to this question. You can either assume it was a group of Widmore's men when he came on the Island in Season 6 or a group of people who came onto the Island sometime after the last episode.
The first question I was just testing you, and you unfortunatly failed . Jack knew so much about blackboxes because as he explained to Kate on Pilot Part 2, before he became a doctor he had gone through flight school. My only real question here was the last one, which has stumped me for a while, and I'm sort of glad there isn't an answer. If there was an answer that I had overlooked, I would be pissed at myself
For the people that hate this show, just know that the first season of Lost is one of the coolest experiences that you can have. Its an experience that can only be properly had when you watch it with a group of friends, a group that will patiently wait a week to watch each episode. The show itself is pretty good (except anything to do with Kate), but the real joy comes from all the downtime in between the episodes and the thrill of figuring out what the hell is going on in the show. I'd say it got weaker near the end, but overall it is a really fun experience to be had.
On January 16 2012 07:14 StarBrift wrote: I was going to read this thread in its entirety but then people started comparing the story of a sci fi TV show to their own lives and demanding a physical explanation for everything going on. I then put my face in my palms and thought a while about how the same people probably are fans of things like star wars and lord of the rings etc. You don't freak out about lotr because they don't explain how gandalf can shoot white magic at his enemies.
Just because you decided that LOST was going to be a show where every single action taken is compatible with our laws of physics doesn't mean that the writers are obligated to cater to you. If you can't appreciate the acting and dramatic storylines that made lost so great because of some OCD driven obsession that the show didn't turn out the way you thought it would then I truly pity you. Truly.
Pretty tired of people hating on lost becasue of petty reasons. If you're gonna nitpick about plot holes then go watch a david lynch movie or something. That should give you material enough to write a small novel.
Lost is Based On The "REAL" world. Lotr and starwars are separate wolds to our own. Its laughable that ur comparing it to them
Admittedly I only read the first few pages, but I read there that Walt's power was to "kill birds with his mind".
From what I remember, Walt's powers were that he could look at an image of a creature and the creature would somehow come to him. This was explained by a scene where Walt is sitting at home reading a comic book, he sees an image in it of a bird, and that exact bird flies in to a window of the house he was staying in, and kills itself in the process.
So what exactly is his power? There seemed to be more to, not simply "he could kill birds with his mind".
On January 16 2012 00:34 matjlav wrote: How did Eloise Hawking know that the guy in the red shoes was going to die when she was talking to Desmond?
Don't know. Eloise is a very smart woman.
On January 16 2012 01:58 Rasun wrote: One question that always bugged me was why women die when they got pregnant on the island, was there ever any answers to that? Also, the temple where Sayid got brought back to life, what the hell was this about and who were those people?
Because of the electromagnetism and the hydrogen bomb. It was further revealed in the epilogue that polar bears also failed to give birth without dying when near the high electromagnetism at the Orchid.
On January 16 2012 02:22 zeru wrote: Why did Eloise push and encourage Daniel to go to the island even though she knew he would die if he did. Why did Eloise end up leaving the island in the first place. Why wasnt Frank in the afterlife.
1. Because he had brain damage due to an accident with one of his experiments. 2. It was not explicitly stated, but very likely to because she wanted to become a physicist and find a way to prevent herself from killing her son. 3. He wasn't seen in their afterlife doesn't necessarily mean he isn't in one. Christian told Jack that the afterlife was a place they created, Lapedius could be in his own version with people he knew.
On January 16 2012 03:11 sealpuncher wrote: Why did Juliet say "it worked" when Sawyer went down to rescue her before she died? It made me think that the sideways flashback world was what had actually happened because they changed time.
She saw herself in the flash-sideways and thought the bomb worked in creating another timeline. It seems that electromagnetism plus near death experience makes you see the flash-sideways, the same thing happened to Desmond.
On January 16 2012 06:06 Beorning wrote: Was was there a dharma medallion out in the desert? I think the redhaired woman dug it up before she was sent to the island?
During DHARMA times, the medallions were attached to polar bears who were used to turned to Frozen Donkey Wheel, the exit point is the Tunisian Desert.
On January 16 2012 06:46 Ov3rMaN wrote: 4 8 15 16 23 42
dos numbers how do they work?
(From an earlier reply): Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
Actually, acording to the writers it was Walt that summoned the polar bear to the Island. It was on later Season when they discovered that the other island had a kind of a zoo that they assumed that the bear escaped from.
And where did they say that?
There was no way Walt could have imagined up a polar bear onto the Island, unless he traveled back to DHARMA times and told them to bring polar bears to the Island.
On January 16 2012 09:15 iMarshall wrote: I don't know if this has been posted as I didn't read through all the pages, but these are some of the questions I'd also want answers to:
On January 16 2012 10:54 Shivaz wrote: almost all the questions in that video have answers as seen in this video which was a direct answer to the video you linked
On January 16 2012 11:34 CaptainCharisma wrote: Admittedly I only read the first few pages, but I read there that Walt's power was to "kill birds with his mind".
From what I remember, Walt's powers were that he could look at an image of a creature and the creature would somehow come to him. This was explained by a scene where Walt is sitting at home reading a comic book, he sees an image in it of a bird, and that exact bird flies in to a window of the house he was staying in, and kills itself in the process.
So what exactly is his power? There seemed to be more to, not simply "he could kill birds with his mind".
On January 16 2012 07:14 StarBrift wrote: I was going to read this thread in its entirety but then people started comparing the story of a sci fi TV show to their own lives and demanding a physical explanation for everything going on. I then put my face in my palms and thought a while about how the same people probably are fans of things like star wars and lord of the rings etc. You don't freak out about lotr because they don't explain how gandalf can shoot white magic at his enemies.
Just because you decided that LOST was going to be a show where every single action taken is compatible with our laws of physics doesn't mean that the writers are obligated to cater to you. If you can't appreciate the acting and dramatic storylines that made lost so great because of some OCD driven obsession that the show didn't turn out the way you thought it would then I truly pity you. Truly.
Pretty tired of people hating on lost becasue of petty reasons. If you're gonna nitpick about plot holes then go watch a david lynch movie or something. That should give you material enough to write a small novel.
We don't hate on Lost because of the non-realistic scenario. This is my gripe with Lost: As a tv show, only one season was planned or written. I'm sure there is an original ending out there, which would have been used at the end of season 1 if the show had gotten negative reviews. This is why a deep plot is nearly impossible for today's tv shows.
The writers of Lost created all these mysteries without solutions first and then proceeded to answer them and explain them 2 seasons later.
It is obvious that the writers had no clue what they were doing, and it is obvious that all their answers were bullshit, on the fly, last minute explanations that caused as many new problems as they solved.
Yes, they may have explained everything, but anything can be explained when you have that many episodes, and when in the end you throw in time travel, magic, and god-like entities as explanations.
I could easily make up crazy scenarios and then give bullshit responses when you ask me to explain them, and weave my way out of any plotholes given enough time.
That is the problem with Lost, and why I believe "explaining" things is kinda pointless. The show was doomed from the start.
In fact, during an interview right before the end of the show, the writers stated that they had qualms with putting forth explanations for anything, since the whole point of the show was intrigue, and to allow viewers their own interpretations.
On January 16 2012 07:14 StarBrift wrote: I was going to read this thread in its entirety but then people started comparing the story of a sci fi TV show to their own lives and demanding a physical explanation for everything going on. I then put my face in my palms and thought a while about how the same people probably are fans of things like star wars and lord of the rings etc. You don't freak out about lotr because they don't explain how gandalf can shoot white magic at his enemies.
Just because you decided that LOST was going to be a show where every single action taken is compatible with our laws of physics doesn't mean that the writers are obligated to cater to you. If you can't appreciate the acting and dramatic storylines that made lost so great because of some OCD driven obsession that the show didn't turn out the way you thought it would then I truly pity you. Truly.
Pretty tired of people hating on lost becasue of petty reasons. If you're gonna nitpick about plot holes then go watch a david lynch movie or something. That should give you material enough to write a small novel.
We don't hate on Lost because of the non-realistic scenario. This is my gripe with Lost: As a tv show, only one season was planned or written. I'm sure there is an original ending out there, which would have been used at the end of season 1 if the show had gotten negative reviews. This is why a deep plot is nearly impossible for today's tv shows.
The writers of Lost created all these mysteries without solutions first and then proceeded to answer them and explain them 2 seasons later.
It is obvious that the writers had no clue what they were doing, and it is obvious that all their answers were bullshit, on the fly, last minute explanations that caused as many new problems as they solved.
Yes, they may have explained everything, but anything can be explained when you have that many episodes, and when in the end you throw in time travel, magic, and god-like entities as explanations.
I could easily make up crazy scenarios and then give bullshit responses when you ask me to explain them, and weave my way out of any plotholes given enough time.
That is the problem with Lost, and why I believe "explaining" things is kinda pointless. The show was doomed from the start.
In fact, during an interview right before the end of the show, the writers stated that they had qualms with putting forth explanations for anything, since the whole point of the show was intrigue, and to allow viewers their own interpretations.
This is what happened in the development of Lost. The writers knew the overarching story from the start. However, they were not expecting more than one season for such a crazy show. They had not planned out the details of a lot of the smaller mysteries and how they would write 6 seasons of material, because they were expecting only 1 season.
Given the phenomenal success though, at the end of Season 1 they hired a guy called Greg Nations to essentially be keeper of all the Lost lore, and during this time between Season 1 and Season 2, the writers mapped out the resolutions of the mysteries raised in Season 1 and the main story points for the rest of the series, although they didn't have every single tiny detail down and unchangeable, because TV is a dynamic business, actors leave etc.
This stuff can be found in interviews which I don't have on hand.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
Actually, acording to the writers it was Walt that summoned the polar bear to the Island. It was on later Season when they discovered that the other island had a kind of a zoo that they assumed that the bear escaped from.
And where did they say that?
There was no way Walt could have imagined up a polar bear onto the Island, unless he traveled back to DHARMA times and told them to bring polar bears to the Island.
How do you know he didn't have magic powers capable of summoning polar bears? Do the powers shown in flashbacks necessarily constitute all the powers that Walt has? Would this ability not getting screen time necessarily rule it out? If Walt had a magical power which was unimportant to the plot then would it be shown? If only important stuff gets screen time then how come we know about any of Walt's magic powers? If "because he's magic" is a valid explanation for things and things being shown don't necessarily correlate with things that have anything to do with anything then how can you retain any of the assumptions based on the rules of our real reality? If "you can't" is the answer to above then what's the point?
If you would show an EP from S1 to a person that never heard of lost and then one from the last or second last season.. He would hardly believe that this is still the same show. Seriously, I liked Lost but could not really watch it at the time and the later Seasons just seemed like giant clusterfucks some guy on LSD wrote down . I actually "catched" the final episode by accident and I was like: "well, guess I'm happy that I didn't watch this, this is all sorts of crazy." .
It's like Heroes... Awesome start but no good continuation plan...
So from my understanding we accept that there is something called "the Light".
My Question Is the light "magic", that is something beyond our (humans) understanding, like religious/biblical or is it some exotic substance that Dharma and other are trying to figure out?
Like "carbon" the first time it was discovered by humans or "gold"?
I always pictured the Light like something "God" had left for mankind to be used for some good purpose and the name of the protector, Jacob, suggested (for me) that it is some biblical thing.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
Actually, acording to the writers it was Walt that summoned the polar bear to the Island. It was on later Season when they discovered that the other island had a kind of a zoo that they assumed that the bear escaped from.
And where did they say that?
There was no way Walt could have imagined up a polar bear onto the Island, unless he traveled back to DHARMA times and told them to bring polar bears to the Island.
How do you know he didn't have magic powers capable of summoning polar bears? Do the powers shown in flashbacks necessarily constitute all the powers that Walt has? Would this ability not getting screen time necessarily rule it out? If Walt had a magical power which was unimportant to the plot then would it be shown? If only important stuff gets screen time then how come we know about any of Walt's magic powers? If "because he's magic" is a valid explanation for things and things being shown don't necessarily correlate with things that have anything to do with anything then how can you retain any of the assumptions based on the rules of our real reality? If "you can't" is the answer to above then what's the point?
The DHARMA folks brought polar bears to the Island.
That doesn't rule out Walt bringing a polar bear too. But it does make it superfluous. And there isn't much evidence for it.
The other guy said that Walt's power is to call animals to him, maybe he looked at a comic book of a polar bear, and called a polar bear that was already on the Island to him, then he got trapped in the bamboo trees when the polar bear tried to eat his face off. I can't remember the episode.
On January 16 2012 20:28 papaz wrote: So from my understanding we accept that there is something called "the Light".
My Question Is the light "magic", that is something beyond our (humans) understanding, like religious/biblical or is it some exotic substance that Dharma and other are trying to figure out?
Like "carbon" the first time it was discovered by humans or "gold"?
I always pictured the Light like something "God" had left for mankind to be used for some good purpose and the name of the protector, Jacob, suggested (for me) that it is some biblical thing.
The Light is the exotic matter which DHARMA used to study time travel.
On January 13 2012 23:37 Suvorov wrote: I stopped watching the show when Jabba the Hut LOST no weight lol. I am not interested in actors that don't assume their roles fully, and that includes both losing and gaining weight. He gets no sympathy from me.
Equally important is having some sense of realism. Magic I can understand, but if planes fall and water drowns people, then being a fucking 'survivor' on an unknown island, should, at least for the first season or so, lead to ragged clothes, faces, and so forth.
Everybody has make-up, looks so fucking tidy and clean...that's fucking bullshit. Sun/Saltwater alone should leave its toll on your external appearance.
You're a moron. Where, if anywhere did it include Hurley to lose weight? And who including Hurley is asking you for sympathy for him? Actors that don't assume their roles fully? Do you even think before you spout?
What happens if the main in black succeeded in leaving the island? I thought the world would end or he would destroy the island and the world would end? I thought the island was much more important than magnetic thing in the core. Like the light in the middle was the light of life or humanity or something.
I've just finished watching Lost and came to read through this thread. It's been really helpful in clearing up some (most?) of the questions I still had.
On January 16 2012 11:34 CaptainCharisma wrote: Admittedly I only read the first few pages, but I read there that Walt's power was to "kill birds with his mind".
From what I remember, Walt's powers were that he could look at an image of a creature and the creature would somehow come to him. This was explained by a scene where Walt is sitting at home reading a comic book, he sees an image in it of a bird, and that exact bird flies in to a window of the house he was staying in, and kills itself in the process.
So what exactly is his power? There seemed to be more to, not simply "he could kill birds with his mind".
Interesting idea, sounds quite plausible.
really interesting, he reads a comic with a polarbaer and the darma polarbear shows up. didn't think about that.
also, I think the numbers where part of an equation to "bring balance to the world" or so. So they had a meaning.
Thanks for answering the questions, and I am quite sad that alot of people in this thread seem to just vent their dislike of the show. The show isnt for everyone, but in my opinion it was a fantastic show. Now for my questions :
1) What was the source of the bad luck and the "curse" of the numbers and why did they appear many times during the show. 2) In season 5, when they were returning to the island, why did sun not go back in time with the rest of the oceanic six. 3) What was the significance of the wheel which seemed to control the space/time of the island. 4) Could you explain to me the cabin, for one why did it seem to move around the island and why could only Hurley see it.
Thanks for answering the questions, I'll think up some more later maybe.
On January 26 2012 02:09 crydee wrote: What happens if the main in black succeeded in leaving the island? I thought the world would end or he would destroy the island and the world would end? I thought the island was much more important than magnetic thing in the core. Like the light in the middle was the light of life or humanity or something.
Nothing would happen when the MIB left the Island. He might kill some people, or he might not. The world would not end.
We know the Light can be used for time travel, and there's some evidence it's related to the afterlife too. But the latter is speculative.
On January 16 2012 11:34 CaptainCharisma wrote: Admittedly I only read the first few pages, but I read there that Walt's power was to "kill birds with his mind".
From what I remember, Walt's powers were that he could look at an image of a creature and the creature would somehow come to him. This was explained by a scene where Walt is sitting at home reading a comic book, he sees an image in it of a bird, and that exact bird flies in to a window of the house he was staying in, and kills itself in the process.
So what exactly is his power? There seemed to be more to, not simply "he could kill birds with his mind".
Interesting idea, sounds quite plausible.
really interesting, he reads a comic with a polarbaer and the darma polarbear shows up. didn't think about that.
also, I think the numbers where part of an equation to "bring balance to the world" or so. So they had a meaning.
They are part of an equation that predicts the destruction of mankind. But that explains nothing. How would that explain how Hurley won the lottery with the numbers, and why they are the numbers of the final candidates.
On January 29 2012 10:17 Hydrox911 wrote: Thanks for answering the questions, and I am quite sad that alot of people in this thread seem to just vent their dislike of the show. The show isnt for everyone, but in my opinion it was a fantastic show. Now for my questions :
1) What was the source of the bad luck and the "curse" of the numbers and why did they appear many times during the show. 2) In season 5, when they were returning to the island, why did sun not go back in time with the rest of the oceanic six. 3) What was the significance of the wheel which seemed to control the space/time of the island. 4) Could you explain to me the cabin, for one why did it seem to move around the island and why could only Hurley see it.
Thanks for answering the questions, I'll think up some more later maybe.
1. There isn't really a definitive answer. From some earlier replies on the numbers:
Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers.
On your point about Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a).
2. Jack, Kate and Hurley arrived in the past because they have to. They were the cause of The Incident at the Swan Site in the 70s, and so they must have arrived in the past to close that time loop, which is what eventually caused the first plane to crash in the first place. Time travel on Lost follows the "whatever happened, happened" rule. You can't change the past, so they needed to arrive in the 70s in order for that past that can't be changed to happen as it originally did. Sun wasn't part of that.
3. All that was said is that it channels the Light to teleport the Island.
4. It's not really known why the Cabin can be hidden or moved, although presumably, it's the MIB doing it since he's in the Cabin and was previously trapped there. It's not only Hurley that can see the Cabin, Locke went in and Illana destroyed it,
I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
What were the numbers? Everything you can give me about them, their origin, meaning, anything. I stopped watching after religiously watching seasons 1-4 and then stayed for the last few episodes.
Edited out a question, should have skimmed a bit more!
On January 16 2012 19:12 paralleluniverse wrote: She saw herself in the flash-sideways and thought the bomb worked in creating another timeline. It seems that electromagnetism plus near death experience makes you see the flash-sideways, the same thing happened to Desmond.
Actually I don't think that this is right. When I watched it, it seemed that she said "it worked" in response to the vending machine working in the flash-sideways when she met Sawyer, and it bled over during her dying breaths. She wasn't really talking about their plan at all like everyone assumed. (I actually thought that that was a really nice misdirect by the writers.) That also explains why she started talking about going for coffee while she was dying.
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
I have to agree with you SAC, the whole clash of the titans thing between Ben and Widmore was really going to be epic...or so I thought. Q: Parallel can you explain this seeming incongruity between the WAR and what actually happened? I assumed that they would explain later with an actual justification but it kind of took side stage to MIB-Jacob war. I assumed that maybe the MIB-Jacob war was what was hyped all along but I don't see where Widmore and Ben fall as far as sides go.
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
Nothing would have happened if Aaron was given up for adoption. The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
I have to agree with you SAC, the whole clash of the titans thing between Ben and Widmore was really going to be epic...or so I thought. Q: Parallel can you explain this seeming incongruity between the WAR and what actually happened? I assumed that they would explain later with an actual justification but it kind of took side stage to MIB-Jacob war. I assumed that maybe the MIB-Jacob war was what was hyped all along but I don't see where Widmore and Ben fall as far as sides go.
At first Widmore's mission was to find the Island and to take it back for himself. That's why he faked the plane crash, and sent a freighter with mercenaries to capture Ben. This conflict is what he and Ben referred to when they met in Widmore's bedroom.
However, some point after this but before meeting Locke, Jacob visited Widmore and told him the situation on the Island, and that he had to go back to the Island to help stop the MIB (this was revealed in the episode when Widmore died). That's why he had a sudden change of heart when he met Locke and told him that a war was coming. The war he was talking about with Locke was the war with the MIB. Then he came on the Island and got killed.
On January 29 2012 13:27 Blixy213 wrote: What were the numbers? Everything you can give me about them, their origin, meaning, anything. I stopped watching after religiously watching seasons 1-4 and then stayed for the last few episodes.
Edited out a question, should have skimmed a bit more!
This is what I said about the number earlier:
Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers.
On your point about Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a).
If you're looking for a reason why the numbers are bad luck, why Jacob used them, why Hurley won the lotto with them, why <insert some other appearance of the numbers here>, there isn't an answer beyond numbers are just numbers. As I've also said, there is no conceivable reason why an abstract and nonphysical concept like numbers can affect anything that is real and tangible. So my opinion on the subject is that numbers are just numbers, and they have no real power or significance.
What can be explained is that they appeared in DHARMA stuff like the hatch, the Swan computer, and the transmission because it was part of an equation that predicted the end of humanity that the DHARMA Imitative were studying. But that doesn't relate to why they are bad luck or why Jacob used them for the last candidates.
On January 16 2012 19:12 paralleluniverse wrote: She saw herself in the flash-sideways and thought the bomb worked in creating another timeline. It seems that electromagnetism plus near death experience makes you see the flash-sideways, the same thing happened to Desmond.
Actually I don't think that this is right. When I watched it, it seemed that she said "it worked" in response to the vending machine working in the flash-sideways when she met Sawyer, and it bled over during her dying breaths. She wasn't really talking about their plan at all like everyone assumed. (I actually thought that that was a really nice misdirect by the writers.) That also explains why she started talking about going for coffee while she was dying.
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
Nothing would have happened if Aaron was given up for adoption. The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
I have to agree with you SAC, the whole clash of the titans thing between Ben and Widmore was really going to be epic...or so I thought. Q: Parallel can you explain this seeming incongruity between the WAR and what actually happened? I assumed that they would explain later with an actual justification but it kind of took side stage to MIB-Jacob war. I assumed that maybe the MIB-Jacob war was what was hyped all along but I don't see where Widmore and Ben fall as far as sides go.
At first Widmore's mission was to find the Island and to take it back for himself. That's why he faked the plane crash, and sent a freighter with mercenaries to capture Ben. This conflict is what he and Ben referred to when they met in Widmore's bedroom.
However, some point after this but before meeting Locke, Jacob visited Widmore and told him the situation on the Island, and that he had to go back to the Island to help stop the MIB (this was revealed in the episode when Widmore died). That's why he had a sudden change of heart when he met Locke and told him that a war was coming. The war he was talking about with Locke was the war with the MIB. Then he came on the Island and got killed.
Have you read my first question (and I mean the whole thing)?
The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
True, however in the episode "Raised by Another" in season 1 it is clearly shown that this fraud has an actual psychic experience and the writers are going to great lengths showing us that, by showing us the great lengths he is willing to go in order to stop Claire giving the kid up for adoption (like for example giving her the money back, which is fairly uncharacteristic for a fraud, don't you think?).
You answered my second question "WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?" (admittedly a rhetorical one) by reiterating the story as shown. I've seen the show, thanks. You don't need to explain to me what happened In-Show.
I just like to challenge people who claim that the final season(s) of this show were NOT piss-poor writing. Usually I get responses like that they were brave enough to break conventions. Breaking conventions in story telling is a good thing, however we must not forget that conventions are there for a reason. THEY WORK!
Building up suspense for a massive endgame and then resolving it in an anticlimactic side-plot is not bravely breaking a story telling convention. I'ts simply shitting your pants because you ran out of time because you began butchering the plot several tens of episodes back.
Here's another rhetorical question for the writers: How about, during season 6, instead of introducing yet another seemingly all-knowing, all-important character (Dogen), and then have him killed off like a redshirt mid-season, how about actually working on resolving EXISTING plot lines???
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
Nothing would have happened if Aaron was given up for adoption. The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
On January 29 2012 14:55 Pinkie wrote:
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
I have to agree with you SAC, the whole clash of the titans thing between Ben and Widmore was really going to be epic...or so I thought. Q: Parallel can you explain this seeming incongruity between the WAR and what actually happened? I assumed that they would explain later with an actual justification but it kind of took side stage to MIB-Jacob war. I assumed that maybe the MIB-Jacob war was what was hyped all along but I don't see where Widmore and Ben fall as far as sides go.
At first Widmore's mission was to find the Island and to take it back for himself. That's why he faked the plane crash, and sent a freighter with mercenaries to capture Ben. This conflict is what he and Ben referred to when they met in Widmore's bedroom.
However, some point after this but before meeting Locke, Jacob visited Widmore and told him the situation on the Island, and that he had to go back to the Island to help stop the MIB (this was revealed in the episode when Widmore died). That's why he had a sudden change of heart when he met Locke and told him that a war was coming. The war he was talking about with Locke was the war with the MIB. Then he came on the Island and got killed.
Have you read my first question (and I mean the whole thing)?
The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
True, however in the episode "Raised by Another" in season 1 it is clearly shown that this fraud has an actual psychic experience and the writers are going to great lengths showing us that, by showing us the great lengths he is willing to go in order to stop Claire giving the kid up for adoption (like for example giving her the money back, which is fairly uncharacteristic for a fraud, don't you think?).
He's a fraud. It was fake.
You answered my second question "WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?" (admittedly a rhetorical one) by reiterating the story as shown. I've seen the show, thanks. You don't need to explain to me what happened In-Show.
I just like to challenge people who claim that the final season(s) of this show were NOT piss-poor writing. Usually I get responses like that they were brave enough to break conventions. Breaking conventions in story telling is a good thing, however we must not forget that conventions are there for a reason. THEY WORK!
Building up suspense for a massive endgame and then resolving it in an anticlimactic side-plot is not bravely breaking a story telling convention. I'ts simply shitting your pants because you ran out of time because you began butchering the plot several tens of episodes back.
Here's another rhetorical question for the writers: How about, during season 6, instead of introducing yet another seemingly all-knowing, all-important character (Dogen), and then have him killed off like a redshirt mid-season, how about actually working on resolving EXISTING plot lines???
Okay...
There was a war between Widmore and the MIB, and Widmore's men got slaughtered by the MIB when they were on Hydra Island. What more did you want?
Dogen's murder had a point. It showed the MIB's corruption on Sayid.
What are these existing plot lines you want resolved?
I don't really have any questions, just dropped by to congratulate mr. paralleluniverse for the great demonstration of pacience, logic and chills in this thread, I absolutely used to love LOST, and I actually never got to finish it mostly because I am kinda lazy (so I prolly shouldn't read many of this answers =P). I enjoy the fact that you put the time to make a reasonable thinking over something that was clearly not badly written with people who clearly got pretty upset. LOST just takes our mind to different places and ideas... Being carried outside the box form a television show is something that I really appreciate.
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
Nothing would have happened if Aaron was given up for adoption. The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
On January 29 2012 14:55 Pinkie wrote:
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
I have to agree with you SAC, the whole clash of the titans thing between Ben and Widmore was really going to be epic...or so I thought. Q: Parallel can you explain this seeming incongruity between the WAR and what actually happened? I assumed that they would explain later with an actual justification but it kind of took side stage to MIB-Jacob war. I assumed that maybe the MIB-Jacob war was what was hyped all along but I don't see where Widmore and Ben fall as far as sides go.
At first Widmore's mission was to find the Island and to take it back for himself. That's why he faked the plane crash, and sent a freighter with mercenaries to capture Ben. This conflict is what he and Ben referred to when they met in Widmore's bedroom.
However, some point after this but before meeting Locke, Jacob visited Widmore and told him the situation on the Island, and that he had to go back to the Island to help stop the MIB (this was revealed in the episode when Widmore died). That's why he had a sudden change of heart when he met Locke and told him that a war was coming. The war he was talking about with Locke was the war with the MIB. Then he came on the Island and got killed.
Have you read my first question (and I mean the whole thing)?
The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
True, however in the episode "Raised by Another" in season 1 it is clearly shown that this fraud has an actual psychic experience and the writers are going to great lengths showing us that, by showing us the great lengths he is willing to go in order to stop Claire giving the kid up for adoption (like for example giving her the money back, which is fairly uncharacteristic for a fraud, don't you think?).
He's a fraud. It was fake.
Apparently it's impossible to convince you otherwise, since your apologetic LOST fanboyism is too strong. Like someone said earlier in this thread, you argue like extremely religious lunatics.
Just for the heck of it, let me anyways recap what this fraud psychic was doing regarding the Claire & Baby situation. Step by Step.
- He lets her in, takes her money and begins the reading. - He asks about when Claire found out about the pregnancy. - He stops, looking disturbed. - He aborts the reading, looking more disturbed, distressed actually. - He gives Claire her money back - He asks Claire and her friend to leave immediately, now looking scared shitless
Fast forward a few months. Claire, whose boyfriend has just broken up with her visits the fraud psychic again.
- He lets her in, takes her money and begins the reading. - He tells her, that it is imperative that she alone raises the child. - Again his facial expressions go from disturbed over distressed to scared shitless. - When Claire says "Thanks for taking my money" he gives it back to her AGAIN. - As she's leaving, he begs her desperately to listen. - He then goes on for FOUR MONTHS harassing Claire, trying to change her mind. - Then he gives her $6,000 AUD and a planeticket to L.A. so she gets on flight 815.
Let's see: He could have taken Claire's $200 AUD at the first reading. He could have taken Claire's $200 AUD at the second reading. Instead he gives her $6,000 AUD and a plane ticket.
That makes him $6,401 AUD and a plane ticket shy of defrauding Claire out of even $1 AUD.
OK, but he's still just a fraud and a fake. Since this thread is called I will answer your LOST questions, here's another question for you:
Dear all-knowing LOST authority: What were the fraud psychic's motives regarding his behavior in the Claire & Baby situation?
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
Nothing would have happened if Aaron was given up for adoption. The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
On January 29 2012 14:55 Pinkie wrote:
On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote: I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
I have to agree with you SAC, the whole clash of the titans thing between Ben and Widmore was really going to be epic...or so I thought. Q: Parallel can you explain this seeming incongruity between the WAR and what actually happened? I assumed that they would explain later with an actual justification but it kind of took side stage to MIB-Jacob war. I assumed that maybe the MIB-Jacob war was what was hyped all along but I don't see where Widmore and Ben fall as far as sides go.
At first Widmore's mission was to find the Island and to take it back for himself. That's why he faked the plane crash, and sent a freighter with mercenaries to capture Ben. This conflict is what he and Ben referred to when they met in Widmore's bedroom.
However, some point after this but before meeting Locke, Jacob visited Widmore and told him the situation on the Island, and that he had to go back to the Island to help stop the MIB (this was revealed in the episode when Widmore died). That's why he had a sudden change of heart when he met Locke and told him that a war was coming. The war he was talking about with Locke was the war with the MIB. Then he came on the Island and got killed.
Have you read my first question (and I mean the whole thing)?
The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.
True, however in the episode "Raised by Another" in season 1 it is clearly shown that this fraud has an actual psychic experience and the writers are going to great lengths showing us that, by showing us the great lengths he is willing to go in order to stop Claire giving the kid up for adoption (like for example giving her the money back, which is fairly uncharacteristic for a fraud, don't you think?).
He's a fraud. It was fake.
Apparently it's impossible to convince you otherwise, since your apologetic LOST fanboyism is too strong. Like someone said earlier in this thread, you argue like extremely religious lunatics.
Just for the heck of it, let me anyways recap what this fraud psychic was doing regarding the Claire & Baby situation. Step by Step.
- He lets her in, takes her money and begins the reading. - He asks about when Claire found out about the pregnancy. - He stops, looking disturbed. - He aborts the reading, looking more disturbed, distressed actually. - He gives Claire her money back - He asks Claire and her friend to leave immediately, now looking scared shitless
Fast forward a few months. Claire, whose boyfriend has just broken up with her visits the fraud psychic again.
- He lets her in, takes her money and begins the reading. - He tells her, that it is imperative that she alone raises the child. - Again his facial expressions go from disturbed over distressed to scared shitless. - When Claire says "Thanks for taking my money" he gives it back to her AGAIN. - As she's leaving, he begs her desperately to listen. - He then goes on for FOUR MONTHS harassing Claire, trying to change her mind. - Then he gives her $6,000 AUD and a planeticket to L.A. so she gets on flight 815.
Let's see: He could have taken Claire's $200 AUD at the first reading. He could have taken Claire's $200 AUD at the second reading. Instead he gives her $6,000 AUD and a plane ticket.
That makes him $6,401 AUD and a plane ticket shy of defrauding Claire out of even $1 AUD.
OK, but he's still just a fraud and a fake. Since this thread is called I will answer your LOST questions, here's another question for you:
Dear all-knowing LOST authority: What were the fraud psychic's motives regarding his behavior in the Claire & Baby situation?
The psychic said himself that he was a fraud in the episode "?", as I've already said.
As for why he would do this:
On the Lost Season 2 DVD Lost Connections there is a previously unseen clip when the navigation moves from Eko to Richard Malkin. Malkin tells Eko that he was paid $16,000 by a couple in Los Angeles to convince a pregnant girl to board a plane (note that this is a deleted scene and, as such, is not necessarily canon).
The psychic said himself that he was a fraud in the episode "?", as I've already said.
I can read, thank you, and I've also seen the show (as I've already said). Also, I don't care about deleted scenes, I care about what was shown in the episodes as is.
My question again, since you failed to answer:
Dear all-knowing LOST authority: What were the fraud psychic's motives regarding his behavior in the Claire & Baby situation?
The psychic said himself that he was a fraud in the episode "?", as I've already said.
I can read, thank you, and I've also seen the show (as I've already said). Also, I don't care about deleted scenes, I care about what was shown in the episodes as is.
My question again, since you failed to answer:
Dear all-knowing LOST authority: What were the fraud psychic's motives regarding his behavior in the Claire & Baby situation?
In the canon, no answer was given, so feel free to make one up that fits your theory. But if the theory you happen to choose is that the psychic was paid off, then by happy coincidence, your thinking has aligned with the writers. What if it was Jacob who paid him off...
If the Island has always had a protector to stop people from accessing the cave with the "light", who built/put the giant plug that Desmond removes? How could they even go into the cave to put in the plug, considering how deadly it is for everyone but Desmond?
On January 31 2012 09:38 Stiver wrote: If the Island has always had a protector to stop people from accessing the cave with the "light", who built/put the giant plug that Desmond removes? How could they even go into the cave to put in the plug, considering how deadly it is for everyone but Desmond?
It was the Mayans who came centuries before the Romans.
It's not known what catastrophe necessitated corking the Island with the stone, but a lot can happen in a thousand years.
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