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On January 13 2012 18:54 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I feel the exact same way. Because basically: Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:00 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote:
what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ? After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on. This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired.
Like what mysteries? That's the point of this thread.
The flashsideways ending is only one ending.
I would suspect that people who gave up before season 6 wouldn't care about it. Instead they would likely care more about the ending of Island timeline.
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On January 13 2012 19:17 Spitmode wrote:What was Season 6 all about? I really don't get it. Were they already dead? Or just some kind of parallel universe? Please explain 
Everything that happened on the Island is real.
Everything that happened in the flashsideways is after they died, i.e. after the real Island timeline.
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Zurich15366 Posts
Why was there a bird randomly saying "huuuuuuuuurley" to hurley?
That scene pretty much defines Lost for me.
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On January 13 2012 19:20 Danglars wrote:
Who is "Evil" and who is "Good" in this show? And why is the bald guy Evil?
Good is Jacob and Evil is the Man in Black (although really, it's not this simple).
The Man in Black can take the form of dead people, which is why he looks like Locke, whose dead body was brought onto the Island.
The Man in Black is evil because he believes humans are corrupt, greedy and selfish, and he wants to leave the Island so badly that he is willing to kill anyone he needs to.
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On January 13 2012 19:17 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:09 imJealous wrote:karpo wrote:
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write. Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on. Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative. Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did.
While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions?
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Zurich15366 Posts
Why was there a giant stone foot with four toes somewhere on the shore?
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Zurich15366 Posts
Why was the black horse Kate knew from some of her earlier escapades on the Island?
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On January 13 2012 19:37 zatic wrote:
Why was there a giant stone foot with four toes somewhere on the shore?
Because Egyptians who came to the Island built it.
These Egyptians also built the Temple and completed the Frozen Donkey Wheel (or at least wrote the Egyptian stuff on it).
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On January 13 2012 19:38 zatic wrote:
Why was the black horse Kate knew from some of her earlier escapades on the Island?
Probably the Man in Black.
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On January 13 2012 19:35 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:17 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 19:09 imJealous wrote:karpo wrote:
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write. Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on. Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative. Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did. While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions?
Nope is was the jumbling of timelines, the ending i really didn't enjoy, the explanations that ruined alot of the mystery (ie smoke monster), and the magical stuff like the wheel, the pool, and the shiny water thingie.
I liked the show when you didn't really know alot about the island, when the Dharma initiative was mysterious, the radio transmissions of the french woman, and the hatch/numbers/others were still interesting. In the end it turned out to be magic and age old extreme good versus extreme evil. Just felt like the possibilities were endless yet they settled on something pretty generic and, to me, quite boring in the end.
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On January 13 2012 19:23 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:54 Malinor wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I feel the exact same way. Because basically: On January 13 2012 18:00 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote:
what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ? After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on. This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired. Like what mysteries? That's the point of this thread. The flashsideways ending is only one ending. I would suspect that people who gave up before season 6 wouldn't care about it. Instead they would likely care more about the Island timeline.
Ok, I cannot give you any specifics now without watching those episodes again, and I am not gonna do that just now, I can just go by what I felt when watching the series. But there is always some new cliffhangers introduced, it is basically the concept of the whole show and later on they just become less meaningful.
I was wondering about the meaning of the purgetory-storyline all season 6 long, and when it finally got revealed I was just so disappointed, I liked the real world and you can basically justify anything with an afterlife-sequence, everything that happened can just be attributed with meaning in retrospect then, and that is not what I want. While in season 3 (I believe) it was so fun slowly discovering that the non-island story does not go back in time, but that they actually escaped from the island, that was really nicely set-up.
And the storyline gets kind of ridiculous in my opinion, when finally Penny's father with his private army and his submarine arrives. Or the completely unneccessary temple with all those until then unknown people at the beginning of season6, totally useless.
It didn't ruin the series for me, I still got all the enjoyment from watching a lot of episodes, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Of course I care about the flashsideways ending, it is basically the real ending which completes what happened on the island
On January 13 2012 18:45 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote:
What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
2. Hurley was a unlucky guy. There is no explanation beyond that.
This answer of yours on the last page stands out for me a little. It would really have been nice to get some hind who made those unlucky events happen. Jacob wants him as a candidate on the island, but the connection is a bit far fetched there, Hurley even kills some people to unlucky circumstances (a platform/terrasse breaking under his weight).
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On January 13 2012 19:43 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:35 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 19:17 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 19:09 imJealous wrote:karpo wrote:
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write. Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on. Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative. Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did. While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions? Nope is was the jumbling of timelines, the ending i really didn't enjoy, the explanations that ruined alot of the mystery (ie smoke monster), and the magical stuff like the wheel, the pool, and the shiny water thingie. I liked the show when you didn't really know alot about the island, when the Dharma initiative was mysterious, the radio transmissions of the french woman, and the hatch/numbers/others were still interesting. In the end it turned out to be magic and age old extreme good versus extreme evil. Just felt like the possibilities were endless yet they settled on something pretty generic and, to me, quite boring in the end.
Now I'm really confuzzled. You hated the show in large part because there were TOO MUCH answers?
I don't see how you can simply call it good and evil. The Man in Black was portrayed very sympathetically. I called it good and evil to be simplistic, because Jacob is meant to personify good and the Man in Black is meant to personify evil. But if you look deeper at their upbringing, and what each character has gone through it's more complex than simply that.
The "it's magic" complaint is one I hear rarely, and is out of everything you wrote, the only thing I personally feel is somewhat understandable.
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On January 13 2012 19:58 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:43 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 19:35 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 19:17 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 19:09 imJealous wrote:karpo wrote:
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write. Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on. Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative. Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did. While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions? Nope is was the jumbling of timelines, the ending i really didn't enjoy, the explanations that ruined alot of the mystery (ie smoke monster), and the magical stuff like the wheel, the pool, and the shiny water thingie. I liked the show when you didn't really know alot about the island, when the Dharma initiative was mysterious, the radio transmissions of the french woman, and the hatch/numbers/others were still interesting. In the end it turned out to be magic and age old extreme good versus extreme evil. Just felt like the possibilities were endless yet they settled on something pretty generic and, to me, quite boring in the end. Now I'm really confuzzled. You hated the show in large part because there were TOO MUCH answers? I don't see how you can simply call it good and evil. The Man in Black was portrayed very sympathetically. I called it good and evil to be simplistic, because Jacob is meant to personify good and the Man in Black is meant to personify evil. But if you look deeper at their upbringing, and what each character has gone through it's more complex than simply that. The "it's magic" complaint is one I hear rarely, and is out of everything you wrote, the only thing I personally feel is somewhat understandable.
I for one don't need everything explained as i like movies and stories that leave stuff to the imagination. I just prefered the series when we were in the dark and everything had an eerie feel to it. The others were actually intimidating, black smoke was awesome, and the hatch/numbers/dharma tapes were interesting. The final seasons just had so much shit going down i lost interest. Time travel all over, magical caves, magical timetravel wheels, parrallel timelines, and so on.
It's kinda like Portal compared to Portal 2. I liked the first Portal game because they didn't try to explain everything and it felt freaky and mysterious. In Portal 2 they really wanted to give every character alot of backstory and they really pumped up the dialogue and everything went over the top.
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On January 13 2012 19:46 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:23 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:54 Malinor wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I feel the exact same way. Because basically: On January 13 2012 18:00 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote:
what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ? After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on. This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired. Like what mysteries? That's the point of this thread. The flashsideways ending is only one ending. I would suspect that people who gave up before season 6 wouldn't care about it. Instead they would likely care more about the Island timeline. Ok, I cannot give you any specifics now without watching those episodes again, and I am not gonna do that just now, I can just go by what I felt when watching the series. But there is always some new cliffhangers introduced, it is basically the concept of the whole show and later on they just become less meaningful. I was wondering about the meaning of the purgetory-storyline all season 6 long, and when it finally got revealed I was just so disappointed, I liked the real world and you can basically justify anything with an afterlife-sequence, everything that happened can just be attributed with meaning in retrospect then, and that is not what I want. While in season 3 (I believe) it was so fun slowly discovering that the non-island story does not go back in time, but that they actually escaped from the island, that was really nicely set-up. And the storyline gets kind of ridiculous in my opinion, when finally Penny's father with his private army and his submarine arrives. Or the completely unneccessary temple with all those until then unknown people at the beginning of season6, totally useless. It didn't ruin the series for me, I still got all the enjoyment from watching a lot of episodes, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course I care about the flashsideways ending, it is basically the real ending which completes what happened on the island Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:45 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote:
What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
2. Hurley was a unlucky guy. There is no explanation beyond that. This answer of yours on the last page stands out for me a little. It would really have been nice to get some hind who made those unlucky events happen. Jacob wants him as a candidate on the island, but the connection is a bit far fetched there, Hurley even kills some people to unlucky circumstances (a platform/terrasse breaking under his weight).
Sure you can consider the flashsideways ending the real ending if you want. But the Island is real too and everything that happened on the Island is real.
If your opinion is that season 6 would have been better if there was no flashsideways and only the Island timeline was shown, then I feel that is a legitimate opinion for you to hold.
On your point about Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
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comparing lost to portal strikes a nerve. portal 2 was in fact planned. valve didnt just get halfway through the game and start introducing craziness on top of craziness in a fashion that was insulting to the audience.
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On January 13 2012 20:06 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:46 Malinor wrote:On January 13 2012 19:23 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:54 Malinor wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I feel the exact same way. Because basically: On January 13 2012 18:00 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote:
what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ? After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on. This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired. Like what mysteries? That's the point of this thread. The flashsideways ending is only one ending. I would suspect that people who gave up before season 6 wouldn't care about it. Instead they would likely care more about the Island timeline. Ok, I cannot give you any specifics now without watching those episodes again, and I am not gonna do that just now, I can just go by what I felt when watching the series. But there is always some new cliffhangers introduced, it is basically the concept of the whole show and later on they just become less meaningful. I was wondering about the meaning of the purgetory-storyline all season 6 long, and when it finally got revealed I was just so disappointed, I liked the real world and you can basically justify anything with an afterlife-sequence, everything that happened can just be attributed with meaning in retrospect then, and that is not what I want. While in season 3 (I believe) it was so fun slowly discovering that the non-island story does not go back in time, but that they actually escaped from the island, that was really nicely set-up. And the storyline gets kind of ridiculous in my opinion, when finally Penny's father with his private army and his submarine arrives. Or the completely unneccessary temple with all those until then unknown people at the beginning of season6, totally useless. It didn't ruin the series for me, I still got all the enjoyment from watching a lot of episodes, it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course I care about the flashsideways ending, it is basically the real ending which completes what happened on the island On January 13 2012 18:45 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote:
What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
2. Hurley was a unlucky guy. There is no explanation beyond that. This answer of yours on the last page stands out for me a little. It would really have been nice to get some hind who made those unlucky events happen. Jacob wants him as a candidate on the island, but the connection is a bit far fetched there, Hurley even kills some people to unlucky circumstances (a platform/terrasse breaking under his weight). If your opinion is that season 6 would have been better if there was no flashsideways and only the Island timeline was shown, then I feel that is a legitimate opinion for you to hold.
I just wanted the flashsideways to take place in the real world. I like it just more when there is no alternate dimension introduced.
All in all, it was a good show.
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On January 13 2012 20:05 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 19:43 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 19:35 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 19:17 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 19:09 imJealous wrote:karpo wrote:
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write. Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on. Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative. Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did. While I can't make you like Lost. I would be interested to know what your problem is with the final seasons. Was it just unanswered questions? Nope is was the jumbling of timelines, the ending i really didn't enjoy, the explanations that ruined alot of the mystery (ie smoke monster), and the magical stuff like the wheel, the pool, and the shiny water thingie. I liked the show when you didn't really know alot about the island, when the Dharma initiative was mysterious, the radio transmissions of the french woman, and the hatch/numbers/others were still interesting. In the end it turned out to be magic and age old extreme good versus extreme evil. Just felt like the possibilities were endless yet they settled on something pretty generic and, to me, quite boring in the end. Now I'm really confuzzled. You hated the show in large part because there were TOO MUCH answers? I don't see how you can simply call it good and evil. The Man in Black was portrayed very sympathetically. I called it good and evil to be simplistic, because Jacob is meant to personify good and the Man in Black is meant to personify evil. But if you look deeper at their upbringing, and what each character has gone through it's more complex than simply that. The "it's magic" complaint is one I hear rarely, and is out of everything you wrote, the only thing I personally feel is somewhat understandable. I for one don't need everything explained as i like movies and stories that leave stuff to the imagination. I just prefered the series when we were in the dark and everything had an eerie feel to it. The others were actually intimidating, black smoke was awesome, and the hatch/numbers/dharma tapes were interesting. The final seasons just had so much shit going down i lost interest. Time travel all over, magical caves, magical timetravel wheels, parrallel timelines, and so on. It's kinda like Portal compared to Portal 2. I liked the first Portal game because they didn't try to explain everything and it felt freaky and mysterious. In Portal 2 they really wanted to give every character alot of backstory and they really pumped up the dialogue and everything went over the top.
Then what's your problem with Walt? He's mysterious and not explain, at least according to you.
Just to add my opinion, I loved all the mindfuck cliffhangers of the later seasons and heartwrenching character moments.
Happy to answer more questions if anyone has some.
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