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On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote:
what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ?
After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on.
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On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode.
I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away.
The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down.
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On January 13 2012 17:58 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:51 naux wrote:
why is walt on the island at the end of the series?
Are you speaking of the epilogue, "The New Man in Charge"? If so, it's because Hurley, the new protector of the Island has a job for him.
no im not talking about hurley i know hurley is the new protector but you keep saying that they took walt out of the picture basically but if you seen the series they kept putting him back into the show from the flash forwards the thing is WALT "michaels son is back onto the island can you explain why?
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On January 13 2012 17:55 Hammer442 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:52 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind. As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote:
He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though. I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with.
Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show.
If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers.
No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
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does hurley really have magical powers?
what would've happened if he jumped in the lake like that hallucination told him to? (season 1 or 2 i think)
in the final episode at the end are they in heaven or purgatory?
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Who is Jacob? Who is/what is "The man in black"? What is so special about John?
Also, from what I recall there were supply drops containing food on the island that Hurley had found which also helps explain why he didnt lose weight
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On January 13 2012 18:05 Trololol wrote:
Who is Jacob? Who is/what is "The man in black"? What is so special about John?
Also, from what I recall there were supply drops containing food on the island that Hurley had found which also helps explain why he didnt lose weight
jacob is the protector of the island
and the man in black is jacobs brother who is trying to leave the island
nothing is special about john i mean nothing
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On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me. 
I told you why it was dropped.
The actor outgrew his role.
You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason.
Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out".
After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
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Sorry to post twice but I didn't think of this one initially.
What happens to Ben?
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On January 13 2012 18:05 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:55 Hammer442 wrote:On January 13 2012 17:52 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind. As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd. On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote:
He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though. I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with. Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show. If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers. No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given.
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me. I told you why it was dropped. The actor outgrew his role. You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason. Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out". After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost.
Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start.
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On January 13 2012 17:59 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Some people can do some stuff doesn't really answer the question so much as describe it. Imagine if I were describing my day and between what I had for breakfast and saying hi to my co-workers I said "so I flew my car to work", you'd have some questions. If I then said "stop asking about the car, I parked it and got on with the day" you'd probably feel that didn't adequately explain the flying car thing. If you pressed me for an answer and I said "the car flies" then while that would explain how I flew the car to work it still wouldn't clarify much. Now imagine the entire thing was fictional and that how I got to work had no relevance to the story at all and I could have just as easily said "I drove my car to work" if I had zero intention of using flying cars in the story or even explaining it.
If your looking for an answer of the sort like "genetic mutation being the next stage of human evolution" or "The Force used by Jedis comes from Midi-chlorians", then I must admit there is no answer given.
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On January 13 2012 18:11 Trololol wrote:
Sorry to post twice but I didn't think of this one initially.
What happens to Ben?
Ben stays on the island (until he dies) and remains the right hand man of hurley who is the new protector of the island.
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Whats up with the episode about Hugo being in a mental institution, then at the end of the episode we see that Libby was also in the institution with Hugo, although he never realizes. As far as I know this was never adressed in the show, and seriously irked me
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sure you can answer questions, but u can't answer why there was time travel, moving islands or any other ridiculous supernatural shit. imo those really killed the show
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Urgh i had so many questions when i watched it, forgot them all now might have to go back and rekindle it.
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On January 13 2012 18:01 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:51 naux wrote:
why is walt on the island at the end of the series?
Are you speaking of the epilogue, "The New Man in Charge"? If so, it's because Hurley, the new protector of the Island has a job for him. no im not talking about hurley i know hurley is the new protector but you keep saying that they took walt out of the picture basically but if you seen the series they kept putting him back into the show from the flash forwards the thing is WALT "michaels son is back onto the island can you explain why?
Sorry, I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
Are you talking about "Walt" appearing to Locke in the last episode of Season 3?
Micheal, Walt's father, came back to the Island. Walt didn't come back to the Island, he was seen after he left the Island, but that was all off-Island.
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What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
What was the shining thing at the end?
What powers does the island have?
Why did Locke see Walt when he fell down?
Why are Richard and co immortal?
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Should I bother watching this? I got like 10 eps or so through S1 then stopped lol
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On January 13 2012 18:17 Plexa wrote:
Should I bother watching this? I got like 10 eps or so through S1 then stopped lol
Not really. If you weren't hooked 10 eps into S1 (first season is by far the best) i wouldn't recommend watching the whole thing.
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On January 13 2012 18:01 Doctorasul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away. The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down.
I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint.
If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself.
If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes.
I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things.
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