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On January 16 2012 20:02 Fishgle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 07:14 StarBrift wrote:
I was going to read this thread in its entirety but then people started comparing the story of a sci fi TV show to their own lives and demanding a physical explanation for everything going on. I then put my face in my palms and thought a while about how the same people probably are fans of things like star wars and lord of the rings etc. You don't freak out about lotr because they don't explain how gandalf can shoot white magic at his enemies.
Just because you decided that LOST was going to be a show where every single action taken is compatible with our laws of physics doesn't mean that the writers are obligated to cater to you. If you can't appreciate the acting and dramatic storylines that made lost so great because of some OCD driven obsession that the show didn't turn out the way you thought it would then I truly pity you. Truly.
Pretty tired of people hating on lost becasue of petty reasons. If you're gonna nitpick about plot holes then go watch a david lynch movie or something. That should give you material enough to write a small novel. We don't hate on Lost because of the non-realistic scenario. This is my gripe with Lost: As a tv show, only one season was planned or written. I'm sure there is an original ending out there, which would have been used at the end of season 1 if the show had gotten negative reviews. This is why a deep plot is nearly impossible for today's tv shows. The writers of Lost created all these mysteries without solutions first and then proceeded to answer them and explain them 2 seasons later. It is obvious that the writers had no clue what they were doing, and it is obvious that all their answers were bullshit, on the fly, last minute explanations that caused as many new problems as they solved. Yes, they may have explained everything, but anything can be explained when you have that many episodes, and when in the end you throw in time travel, magic, and god-like entities as explanations. I could easily make up crazy scenarios and then give bullshit responses when you ask me to explain them, and weave my way out of any plotholes given enough time. That is the problem with Lost, and why I believe "explaining" things is kinda pointless. The show was doomed from the start. In fact, during an interview right before the end of the show, the writers stated that they had qualms with putting forth explanations for anything, since the whole point of the show was intrigue, and to allow viewers their own interpretations.
This is what happened in the development of Lost. The writers knew the overarching story from the start. However, they were not expecting more than one season for such a crazy show. They had not planned out the details of a lot of the smaller mysteries and how they would write 6 seasons of material, because they were expecting only 1 season.
Given the phenomenal success though, at the end of Season 1 they hired a guy called Greg Nations to essentially be keeper of all the Lost lore, and during this time between Season 1 and Season 2, the writers mapped out the resolutions of the mysteries raised in Season 1 and the main story points for the rest of the series, although they didn't have every single tiny detail down and unchangeable, because TV is a dynamic business, actors leave etc.
This stuff can be found in interviews which I don't have on hand.
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On January 16 2012 19:19 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:57 EdSlyB wrote:On January 13 2012 17:30 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote:
Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again? Because the actor outgrew his role. In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that. Actually, acording to the writers it was Walt that summoned the polar bear to the Island. It was on later Season when they discovered that the other island had a kind of a zoo that they assumed that the bear escaped from. And where did they say that? There was no way Walt could have imagined up a polar bear onto the Island, unless he traveled back to DHARMA times and told them to bring polar bears to the Island.
How do you know he didn't have magic powers capable of summoning polar bears?
Do the powers shown in flashbacks necessarily constitute all the powers that Walt has?
Would this ability not getting screen time necessarily rule it out?
If Walt had a magical power which was unimportant to the plot then would it be shown?
If only important stuff gets screen time then how come we know about any of Walt's magic powers?
If "because he's magic" is a valid explanation for things and things being shown don't necessarily correlate with things that have anything to do with anything then how can you retain any of the assumptions based on the rules of our real reality?
If "you can't" is the answer to above then what's the point?
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If you would show an EP from S1 to a person that never heard of lost and then one from the last or second last season.. He would hardly believe that this is still the same show.
Seriously, I liked Lost but could not really watch it at the time and the later Seasons just seemed like giant clusterfucks some guy on LSD wrote down  . I actually "catched" the final episode by accident and I was like: "well, guess I'm happy that I didn't watch this, this is all sorts of crazy." .
It's like Heroes... Awesome start but no good continuation plan...
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So from my understanding we accept that there is something called "the Light".
My Question
Is the light "magic", that is something beyond our (humans) understanding, like religious/biblical or is it some exotic substance that Dharma and other are trying to figure out?
Like "carbon" the first time it was discovered by humans or "gold"?
I always pictured the Light like something "God" had left for mankind to be used for some good purpose and the name of the protector, Jacob, suggested (for me) that it is some biblical thing.
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On January 16 2012 20:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 19:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 16 2012 08:57 EdSlyB wrote:On January 13 2012 17:30 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote:
Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again? Because the actor outgrew his role. In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that. Actually, acording to the writers it was Walt that summoned the polar bear to the Island. It was on later Season when they discovered that the other island had a kind of a zoo that they assumed that the bear escaped from. And where did they say that? There was no way Walt could have imagined up a polar bear onto the Island, unless he traveled back to DHARMA times and told them to bring polar bears to the Island. How do you know he didn't have magic powers capable of summoning polar bears? Do the powers shown in flashbacks necessarily constitute all the powers that Walt has? Would this ability not getting screen time necessarily rule it out? If Walt had a magical power which was unimportant to the plot then would it be shown? If only important stuff gets screen time then how come we know about any of Walt's magic powers? If "because he's magic" is a valid explanation for things and things being shown don't necessarily correlate with things that have anything to do with anything then how can you retain any of the assumptions based on the rules of our real reality? If "you can't" is the answer to above then what's the point?
The DHARMA folks brought polar bears to the Island.
That doesn't rule out Walt bringing a polar bear too. But it does make it superfluous. And there isn't much evidence for it.
The other guy said that Walt's power is to call animals to him, maybe he looked at a comic book of a polar bear, and called a polar bear that was already on the Island to him, then he got trapped in the bamboo trees when the polar bear tried to eat his face off. I can't remember the episode.
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On January 16 2012 20:28 papaz wrote:
So from my understanding we accept that there is something called "the Light".
My Question
Is the light "magic", that is something beyond our (humans) understanding, like religious/biblical or is it some exotic substance that Dharma and other are trying to figure out?
Like "carbon" the first time it was discovered by humans or "gold"?
I always pictured the Light like something "God" had left for mankind to be used for some good purpose and the name of the protector, Jacob, suggested (for me) that it is some biblical thing.
The Light is the exotic matter which DHARMA used to study time travel.
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On January 13 2012 23:37 Suvorov wrote:
I stopped watching the show when Jabba the Hut LOST no weight lol. I am not interested in actors that don't assume their roles fully, and that includes both losing and gaining weight. He gets no sympathy from me.
Equally important is having some sense of realism. Magic I can understand, but if planes fall and water drowns people, then being a fucking 'survivor' on an unknown island, should, at least for the first season or so, lead to ragged clothes, faces, and so forth.
Everybody has make-up, looks so fucking tidy and clean...that's fucking bullshit. Sun/Saltwater alone should leave its toll on your external appearance.
You're a moron. Where, if anywhere did it include Hurley to lose weight? And who including Hurley is asking you for sympathy for him? Actors that don't assume their roles fully? Do you even think before you spout?
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why do you know all this stuff?
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Why did they have to hype john up like he was god in s3 ?
and how did johns dad get on the island through this "magic box"?
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What happens if the main in black succeeded in leaving the island? I thought the world would end or he would destroy the island and the world would end? I thought the island was much more important than magnetic thing in the core. Like the light in the middle was the light of life or humanity or something.
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I've just finished watching Lost and came to read through this thread.
It's been really helpful in clearing up some (most?) of the questions I still had.
So thanks!
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On January 16 2012 19:21 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 11:34 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Admittedly I only read the first few pages, but I read there that Walt's power was to "kill birds with his mind".
From what I remember, Walt's powers were that he could look at an image of a creature and the creature would somehow come to him. This was explained by a scene where Walt is sitting at home reading a comic book, he sees an image in it of a bird, and that exact bird flies in to a window of the house he was staying in, and kills itself in the process.
So what exactly is his power? There seemed to be more to, not simply "he could kill birds with his mind". Interesting idea, sounds quite plausible.
really interesting, he reads a comic with a polarbaer and the darma polarbear shows up. didn't think about that.
also, I think the numbers where part of an equation to "bring balance to the world" or so. So they had a meaning.
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Thanks for answering the questions, and I am quite sad that alot of people in this thread seem to just vent their dislike of the show. The show isnt for everyone, but in my opinion it was a fantastic show. Now for my questions :
1) What was the source of the bad luck and the "curse" of the numbers and why did they appear many times during the show.
2) In season 5, when they were returning to the island, why did sun not go back in time with the rest of the oceanic six.
3) What was the significance of the wheel which seemed to control the space/time of the island.
4) Could you explain to me the cabin, for one why did it seem to move around the island and why could only Hurley see it.
Thanks for answering the questions, I'll think up some more later maybe.
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On January 26 2012 01:33 jakek95 wrote:
Why did they have to hype john up like he was god in s3 ?
and how did johns dad get on the island through this "magic box"?
1. What are you talking about? He wasn't a like a god. The MIB tried to make him feel special to discredit Ben, and have him replaced with Locke.
2. Ben is a liar, there is no magic box. The Other's brought Locke's dad onto the Island.
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On January 26 2012 02:09 crydee wrote:
What happens if the main in black succeeded in leaving the island? I thought the world would end or he would destroy the island and the world would end? I thought the island was much more important than magnetic thing in the core. Like the light in the middle was the light of life or humanity or something.
Nothing would happen when the MIB left the Island. He might kill some people, or he might not. The world would not end.
We know the Light can be used for time travel, and there's some evidence it's related to the afterlife too. But the latter is speculative.
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On January 29 2012 09:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 19:21 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 16 2012 11:34 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Admittedly I only read the first few pages, but I read there that Walt's power was to "kill birds with his mind".
From what I remember, Walt's powers were that he could look at an image of a creature and the creature would somehow come to him. This was explained by a scene where Walt is sitting at home reading a comic book, he sees an image in it of a bird, and that exact bird flies in to a window of the house he was staying in, and kills itself in the process.
So what exactly is his power? There seemed to be more to, not simply "he could kill birds with his mind". Interesting idea, sounds quite plausible. really interesting, he reads a comic with a polarbaer and the darma polarbear shows up. didn't think about that. also, I think the numbers where part of an equation to "bring balance to the world" or so. So they had a meaning.
They are part of an equation that predicts the destruction of mankind. But that explains nothing. How would that explain how Hurley won the lottery with the numbers, and why they are the numbers of the final candidates.
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On January 29 2012 10:17 Hydrox911 wrote:
Thanks for answering the questions, and I am quite sad that alot of people in this thread seem to just vent their dislike of the show. The show isnt for everyone, but in my opinion it was a fantastic show. Now for my questions :
1) What was the source of the bad luck and the "curse" of the numbers and why did they appear many times during the show.
2) In season 5, when they were returning to the island, why did sun not go back in time with the rest of the oceanic six.
3) What was the significance of the wheel which seemed to control the space/time of the island.
4) Could you explain to me the cabin, for one why did it seem to move around the island and why could only Hurley see it.
Thanks for answering the questions, I'll think up some more later maybe.
1. There isn't really a definitive answer. From some earlier replies on the numbers:
Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers.
On your point about Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a).
2. Jack, Kate and Hurley arrived in the past because they have to. They were the cause of The Incident at the Swan Site in the 70s, and so they must have arrived in the past to close that time loop, which is what eventually caused the first plane to crash in the first place. Time travel on Lost follows the "whatever happened, happened" rule. You can't change the past, so they needed to arrive in the 70s in order for that past that can't be changed to happen as it originally did. Sun wasn't part of that.
3. All that was said is that it channels the Light to teleport the Island.
4. It's not really known why the Cabin can be hidden or moved, although presumably, it's the MIB doing it since he's in the Cabin and was previously trapped there. It's not only Hurley that can see the Cabin, Locke went in and Illana destroyed it,
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I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.
I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.
1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?
This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.
2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.
We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.
Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.
Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):
WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???
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What were the numbers? Everything you can give me about them, their origin, meaning, anything. I stopped watching after religiously watching seasons 1-4 and then stayed for the last few episodes.
Edited out a question, should have skimmed a bit more!
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On January 16 2012 19:12 paralleluniverse wrote:
She saw herself in the flash-sideways and thought the bomb worked in creating another timeline. It seems that electromagnetism plus near death experience makes you see the flash-sideways, the same thing happened to Desmond.
Actually I don't think that this is right. When I watched it, it seemed that she said "it worked" in response to the vending machine working in the flash-sideways when she met Sawyer, and it bled over during her dying breaths. She wasn't really talking about their plan at all like everyone assumed. (I actually thought that that was a really nice misdirect by the writers.) That also explains why she started talking about going for coffee while she was dying.
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