On January 14 2012 01:08 Sroobz wrote: Why did the ending suck so much?
How did 99% of the story relate to the ending?
What the FUCK was the point of Jacob/Smoke guy/Richard?
PS: Loved the show, just ranting a little about my dislike of the ending
1. I can't help you there.
2. In terms of mythology, the ending doesn't relate. The ending was a character story, i.e. what eventually happens to Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, the MIB, etc.
On January 16 2012 03:38 v3chr0 wrote: From reading a lot of these responses, I'm glad i never watched more than a few episodes. lol
Lost was really good for the first few seasons. After that it kind of went rediculous (time travel was so retarded I still can't believe they added that in lol...). So many things were dumb I couldn't believe the writers thought it was a good idea xD
Look, adding xD to the end of your post doesn't make it less offensive. But you're completely right. Lost was good at first and then went to shit. What a terrible show, it's a shame that trash like this makes megabucks while actually good shows like Firefly get shut down.
Ive never even watched or heard anything about Lost, but after reading the answers to the questions in this thread it seems absolutely off the wall ridiculous lol.
I was going to read this thread in its entirety but then people started comparing the story of a sci fi TV show to their own lives and demanding a physical explanation for everything going on. I then put my face in my palms and thought a while about how the same people probably are fans of things like star wars and lord of the rings etc. You don't freak out about lotr because they don't explain how gandalf can shoot white magic at his enemies.
Just because you decided that LOST was going to be a show where every single action taken is compatible with our laws of physics doesn't mean that the writers are obligated to cater to you. If you can't appreciate the acting and dramatic storylines that made lost so great because of some OCD driven obsession that the show didn't turn out the way you thought it would then I truly pity you. Truly.
Pretty tired of people hating on lost becasue of petty reasons. If you're gonna nitpick about plot holes then go watch a david lynch movie or something. That should give you material enough to write a small novel.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
I think this was my biggest early frustration with the series. To have made such a big deal out of this kid and then to have absolutely no follow up and no demonstration of what actually the big deal, it just kills the tension. What was the point really? It's like having Frodo journey all the way to Gondor with the reader under the impression that the Ring was the key to destroying Sauron and then the Ring get's lost halfway through and we forget about it entirely. Alright, so maybe the 'chosen one' wasn't as big a deal as the One Ring, but considering the amount of crazy visions, kidnapping plots that built up to... absolutely nothing. I actually like the misdirection everyone thinking it was Claire's baby, but it turns out to be Walt. But it was one of those continuing plot tensions that completely swept under the rug.
I really liked Lost in it's early stages. It had the feeling of Myst or Riven with the weird hatch, leftover high-tech, but ancient. And in that sense I liked the return to that feel in Season 6. But I didn't really like the flash back and forward in time combined with the flash sideways. It felt like they had run out of backstory flashbacks to do so they created something else entirely and it just put too many things on the table. It made everything else feel crowded rather than sticking with and expanding upon the elements they had introduced in the first 3 seasons. (It felt more of a natural progression of S1 discovery/survival on island, S2 discovery hatch, S3 the Others. S4-6 where... I don't even know.
My specific question has to do with Jacob's Cabin. So one too many plot twists later I just couldn't be bothered to go back to figure out the real motivation and purpose with all the misdirection. Originally Locke was given some sort of purpose or direction from "Jacob" and I actually liked his transition from an outcast man of faith to a confident man of action (until he turned into cult leader, threatening guns at everyone.) But it turns out Jacob's Cabin was actually Christian who was actually the MiB. But by the time they revealed that, I had lost track of what the original purpose/ mission was and so I couldn't figure out what MiB gained from the entire enterprise. Any ideas?
1. I've explained like 3 times why they kidnapped Walt: (1) They kidnapped children in general to brainwash them into joining as they cannot make babies (mothers always die in birth), (2) To study Walt's special powers.
2. Claire's baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone"). Nothing that suggested the baby was special turned out to not be a fraud. Claire however was the first mother to give birth on the Island without dying since the hydrogen bomb.
Yeah I did read your other answers. The first part was more of a rant than a question. I 'get' what they did, but it's not very satisfying. It feels like a broken promise by the creators. The misdirection with the Claire's baby was a clever red herring, but writing Walt out of the picture just feels like they couldn't deliver what they promised.
Actually, I think that's the main problem Lost suffered in it's later seasons. There were so many promises and mysteries presented in such a convoluted mess, that it was impossible to give a satisfying answer. Just the nature of the convolution makes even the Light at the end feel a cop out as other have mentioned. Not everything needs the gears and mechanisms revealed. Lord of the Ring we don't really know how the magic works, but that was never the focus. Lost was all about discovery and so made a lot of promises.
Thanks for the overview of MiB's plan. By that time in the plot it had gotten too convoluted with moving pieces that I didn't know people's motivation anymore. (And I have watched non-linear films like Memento, but this had soooo many concept thrown in.)
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
Actually, acording to the writers it was Walt that summoned the polar bear to the Island. It was on later Season when they discovered that the other island had a kind of a zoo that they assumed that the bear escaped from.
On January 14 2012 15:26 McFeser wrote: Im a huge Lost fan, so please tell me why Jack knew so much about Flight 815's blackbox?
He didn't. The (fake) black box was dug up from the bottom of the ocean in the fake Oceanic 815 which Widmore placed. If you're talking about the transciever in the first episode, Jack presumably knew that planes had them.
How can the other's travel through the jungle without making any sounds?
They can't. They're just normal people. Although they seemed to be very tricksy and very well adapted to the island environment as they have live there for many years.
And most importantly, The gang found a set of canoes at their old encampment, whose canoes were those and when they took their canoes out to the ocean who started shooting at them right before the time warp kicked in at the last second?
There is no answer to this question. You can either assume it was a group of Widmore's men when he came on the Island in Season 6 or a group of people who came onto the Island sometime after the last episode.
The first question I was just testing you, and you unfortunatly failed . Jack knew so much about blackboxes because as he explained to Kate on Pilot Part 2, before he became a doctor he had gone through flight school. My only real question here was the last one, which has stumped me for a while, and I'm sort of glad there isn't an answer. If there was an answer that I had overlooked, I would be pissed at myself
For the people that hate this show, just know that the first season of Lost is one of the coolest experiences that you can have. Its an experience that can only be properly had when you watch it with a group of friends, a group that will patiently wait a week to watch each episode. The show itself is pretty good (except anything to do with Kate), but the real joy comes from all the downtime in between the episodes and the thrill of figuring out what the hell is going on in the show. I'd say it got weaker near the end, but overall it is a really fun experience to be had.
On January 16 2012 07:14 StarBrift wrote: I was going to read this thread in its entirety but then people started comparing the story of a sci fi TV show to their own lives and demanding a physical explanation for everything going on. I then put my face in my palms and thought a while about how the same people probably are fans of things like star wars and lord of the rings etc. You don't freak out about lotr because they don't explain how gandalf can shoot white magic at his enemies.
Just because you decided that LOST was going to be a show where every single action taken is compatible with our laws of physics doesn't mean that the writers are obligated to cater to you. If you can't appreciate the acting and dramatic storylines that made lost so great because of some OCD driven obsession that the show didn't turn out the way you thought it would then I truly pity you. Truly.
Pretty tired of people hating on lost becasue of petty reasons. If you're gonna nitpick about plot holes then go watch a david lynch movie or something. That should give you material enough to write a small novel.
Lost is Based On The "REAL" world. Lotr and starwars are separate wolds to our own. Its laughable that ur comparing it to them
Admittedly I only read the first few pages, but I read there that Walt's power was to "kill birds with his mind".
From what I remember, Walt's powers were that he could look at an image of a creature and the creature would somehow come to him. This was explained by a scene where Walt is sitting at home reading a comic book, he sees an image in it of a bird, and that exact bird flies in to a window of the house he was staying in, and kills itself in the process.
So what exactly is his power? There seemed to be more to, not simply "he could kill birds with his mind".
On January 16 2012 00:34 matjlav wrote: How did Eloise Hawking know that the guy in the red shoes was going to die when she was talking to Desmond?
Don't know. Eloise is a very smart woman.
On January 16 2012 01:58 Rasun wrote: One question that always bugged me was why women die when they got pregnant on the island, was there ever any answers to that? Also, the temple where Sayid got brought back to life, what the hell was this about and who were those people?
Because of the electromagnetism and the hydrogen bomb. It was further revealed in the epilogue that polar bears also failed to give birth without dying when near the high electromagnetism at the Orchid.
On January 16 2012 02:22 zeru wrote: Why did Eloise push and encourage Daniel to go to the island even though she knew he would die if he did. Why did Eloise end up leaving the island in the first place. Why wasnt Frank in the afterlife.
1. Because he had brain damage due to an accident with one of his experiments. 2. It was not explicitly stated, but very likely to because she wanted to become a physicist and find a way to prevent herself from killing her son. 3. He wasn't seen in their afterlife doesn't necessarily mean he isn't in one. Christian told Jack that the afterlife was a place they created, Lapedius could be in his own version with people he knew.
On January 16 2012 03:11 sealpuncher wrote: Why did Juliet say "it worked" when Sawyer went down to rescue her before she died? It made me think that the sideways flashback world was what had actually happened because they changed time.
She saw herself in the flash-sideways and thought the bomb worked in creating another timeline. It seems that electromagnetism plus near death experience makes you see the flash-sideways, the same thing happened to Desmond.
On January 16 2012 06:06 Beorning wrote: Was was there a dharma medallion out in the desert? I think the redhaired woman dug it up before she was sent to the island?
During DHARMA times, the medallions were attached to polar bears who were used to turned to Frozen Donkey Wheel, the exit point is the Tunisian Desert.
On January 16 2012 06:46 Ov3rMaN wrote: 4 8 15 16 23 42
dos numbers how do they work?
(From an earlier reply): Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick.
On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote: Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again?
Because the actor outgrew his role.
In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
Actually, acording to the writers it was Walt that summoned the polar bear to the Island. It was on later Season when they discovered that the other island had a kind of a zoo that they assumed that the bear escaped from.
And where did they say that?
There was no way Walt could have imagined up a polar bear onto the Island, unless he traveled back to DHARMA times and told them to bring polar bears to the Island.
On January 16 2012 09:15 iMarshall wrote: I don't know if this has been posted as I didn't read through all the pages, but these are some of the questions I'd also want answers to:
On January 16 2012 10:54 Shivaz wrote: almost all the questions in that video have answers as seen in this video which was a direct answer to the video you linked
On January 16 2012 11:34 CaptainCharisma wrote: Admittedly I only read the first few pages, but I read there that Walt's power was to "kill birds with his mind".
From what I remember, Walt's powers were that he could look at an image of a creature and the creature would somehow come to him. This was explained by a scene where Walt is sitting at home reading a comic book, he sees an image in it of a bird, and that exact bird flies in to a window of the house he was staying in, and kills itself in the process.
So what exactly is his power? There seemed to be more to, not simply "he could kill birds with his mind".
On January 16 2012 07:14 StarBrift wrote: I was going to read this thread in its entirety but then people started comparing the story of a sci fi TV show to their own lives and demanding a physical explanation for everything going on. I then put my face in my palms and thought a while about how the same people probably are fans of things like star wars and lord of the rings etc. You don't freak out about lotr because they don't explain how gandalf can shoot white magic at his enemies.
Just because you decided that LOST was going to be a show where every single action taken is compatible with our laws of physics doesn't mean that the writers are obligated to cater to you. If you can't appreciate the acting and dramatic storylines that made lost so great because of some OCD driven obsession that the show didn't turn out the way you thought it would then I truly pity you. Truly.
Pretty tired of people hating on lost becasue of petty reasons. If you're gonna nitpick about plot holes then go watch a david lynch movie or something. That should give you material enough to write a small novel.
We don't hate on Lost because of the non-realistic scenario. This is my gripe with Lost: As a tv show, only one season was planned or written. I'm sure there is an original ending out there, which would have been used at the end of season 1 if the show had gotten negative reviews. This is why a deep plot is nearly impossible for today's tv shows.
The writers of Lost created all these mysteries without solutions first and then proceeded to answer them and explain them 2 seasons later.
It is obvious that the writers had no clue what they were doing, and it is obvious that all their answers were bullshit, on the fly, last minute explanations that caused as many new problems as they solved.
Yes, they may have explained everything, but anything can be explained when you have that many episodes, and when in the end you throw in time travel, magic, and god-like entities as explanations.
I could easily make up crazy scenarios and then give bullshit responses when you ask me to explain them, and weave my way out of any plotholes given enough time.
That is the problem with Lost, and why I believe "explaining" things is kinda pointless. The show was doomed from the start.
In fact, during an interview right before the end of the show, the writers stated that they had qualms with putting forth explanations for anything, since the whole point of the show was intrigue, and to allow viewers their own interpretations.
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