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On January 14 2012 11:20 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote:
I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc.
Anyways, I have few questions:
1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit.
2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing
3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end.
4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet.
5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island?
6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid.
7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense.
8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue?
9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared...
10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. 2. On Walt, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#44and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#60Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt. Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded. 3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special. 4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat. 5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions. 6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station. 7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan. 8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped. 9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father. 10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport.
1. Numbers are just numbers? Then why other sequence of numbers didn't bring luck or take it away? Hugo was a normal person but he won using those numbers, his luck has died. You failed to answer those questions.
2. You didn't answer my questions.
3. Baby was special. Watch the show again. It was a big deal to get the baby immunized even if vaccine was a placebo
4. Again, vaccine. It was important to get the baby vaccinated. Stop avoiding this question...
5. Automated? Really? Type "24" on a 1970's PC and they would automatically send you the food. OK, sure. Lets say it was all packaged in 70s to be sent to island and they packaged tons of food. Sure but one thing, food was fucking perishable. That shit would've went bad in few weeks. Mayonnaise was there. OK sure, mayonnaise was special Dharma mayonnaise and their was food was covered in Dharma magic dust so it won't turn bad. Automated airplane? Automated shipping? Automated 50 year old automated system? Or did they simply have a mile long cannon that would shoot the food to an island using a new Dharma physical formula which was written by MiB in order to keep people there? Dude ...
6. Yeah, Romans came all the way to the South Pacific and same as Egyptians. Plus, this info wasn't even mentioned on show, stop making up stuff.
7. Again, Eloise thing is pure speculation on your part. Show me facts. Mistake by writers.
8. Again, Egyptians build that shit in South Pacific. Even Jacob didn't know who built it and you do. That statue was an Egyptian God of fertility. Jokes.
9. I mean, where is the corpse? It was on plane and boom, disappeared.
10. Speculation again.
Dude, I watched this show fairly analytically, and it failed on every level of logic. Not to sound mean, but you argue like extremely religious lunatics.
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On January 14 2012 11:32 Mythito wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:45 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote:
What was the shining thing at the end?
4. Light. oh that explains everything and makes the show wonderful instead of it being a giant clusterfuck
It occurred in the afterlife, and not in the real world, i.e. not on the Island plus outside world. It would have been more ridiculous if they showed a church in the real world engulfed by light, but it wasn't a church in real life.
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On January 14 2012 11:43 LesPhoques wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:20 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote:
I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc.
Anyways, I have few questions:
1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit.
2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing
3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end.
4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet.
5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island?
6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid.
7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense.
8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue?
9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared...
10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. 2. On Walt, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#44and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#60Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt. Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded. 3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special. 4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat. 5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions. 6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station. 7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan. 8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped. 9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father. 10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport. 1. Numbers are just numbers? Then why other sequence of numbers didn't bring luck or take it away? Hugo was a normal person but he won using those numbers, his luck has died. You failed to answer those questions. 2. You didn't answer my questions. 3. Baby was special. Watch the show again. It was a big deal to get the baby immunized even if vaccine was a placebo 4. Again, vaccine. It was important to get the baby vaccinated. Stop avoiding this question... 5. Automated? Really? Type "24" on a 1970's PC and they would automatically send you the food. OK, sure. Lets say it was all packaged in 70s to be sent to island and they packaged tons of food. Sure but one thing, food was fucking perishable. That shit would've went bad in few weeks. Mayonnaise was there. OK sure, mayonnaise was special Dharma mayonnaise and their was food was covered in Dharma magic dust so it won't turn bad. Automated airplane? Automated shipping? Automated 50 year old automated system? Or did they simply have a mile long cannon that would shoot the food to an island using a new Dharma physical formula which was written by MiB in order to keep people there? Dude ... 6. Yeah, Romans came all the way to the South Pacific and same as Egyptians. Plus, this info wasn't even mentioned on show, stop making up stuff. 7. Again, Eloise thing is pure speculation on your part. Show me facts. Mistake by writers. 8. Again, Egyptians build that shit in South Pacific. Even Jacob didn't know who built it and you do. That statue was an Egyptian God of fertility. Jokes. 9. I mean, where is the corpse? It was on plane and boom, disappeared. 10. Speculation again. Dude, I watched this show fairly analytically, and it failed on every level of logic. Not to sound mean, but you argue like extremely religious lunatics.
1. There is no answer beyond, (a) numbers are numbers or (b) it's magic like Jacob. Take your pick. Either choice is consistent with the rest of the show. You don't like that, but it's the truth.
2. What's your question?
3, 4. The baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone").
5. There are 2 people in a warehouse in present day Guam who receive instructions from an automated computer about sending food drops to certain coordinates. Read: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_New_Man_in_Charge#Orote_Peninsula.2C_Guam
6. The Island is capable of moving. It isn't always in the Pacific. The Romans did come by ship, and that was shown in the show (see the episode "Across the Sea"). At some point Egyptians obviously came given all the Egyptian structures they built.
7. The Lamp-post is not speculation. Eloise's motives are.
8. Egyptians obviously build an Egyptian statue.
9. The MIB almost surely moved it or destroyed it so his plan wouldn't be discovered.
10. It's not speculation that Libby was not insane before getting on the plane and that Libby's husband died (see episodes "?" and "Live Together, Die Alone", respectively).
The show is not meant to be didactic where they explicitly hit you over the head with the answer to every little insignificant question you may have.
You should also use the art of deduction for often.
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Mm I actually really liked this show, but there were a handful of things there were actually unanswered. I cannot for the life of me remember one that completely went totally unanswered. Though people always say "what was the deal with the polar bear" which was clearly answered. Also the last season is purgatory if you will. Also Desmond is an awesome character. And the guy who can't die has one of the best flashback episodes. If I remember what the unanswerable question was I might come back to ask
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On January 14 2012 11:55 FireSA wrote:
Mm I actually really liked this show, but there were a handful of things there were actually unanswered. I cannot for the life of me remember one that completely went totally unanswered. Though people always say "what was the deal with the polar bear" which was clearly answered. Also the last season is purgatory if you will. Also Desmond is an awesome character. And the guy who can't die has one of the best flashback episodes. If I remember what the unanswerable question was I might come back to ask
Not really. The 10% of the last season that occurred in the flash sideways storyline is purgatory. Everything else is real.
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You know, you can stop pretending you know much. I am well aware that the stuff on the island happened, and the flashes sideways were purgatory. At this point you are merely answering questions that either have ambiguous answers just because of strange arbitrary plot devices used, or you are answering questions of people who clearly did not watch the whole thing.
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The problem is a lot of people don't want "answers," but "explinations." They don't care about the island having some mysitcal power source that causes all these things to happen (which is an answer) but rather some lame "aliens from the planet Zarktor came and crashed a ship on that exact spot 8 million years ago." It doesn't really matter why these things happened. What matters is how they happened. Which tied in nicely with the themes of the show about faith and life being the journey, not the destination.
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This Lotr dude that hangs himself..
He gets hold of some cocaine from a plain.. Is this colombian if not, where is it from?
Is the cocaine mixed or the real deal?
Also, whats the deal with Lock. Isen't he some kind of retard? How come he's so pro at exotic wildlife stuff?
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Im a huge Lost fan, so please tell me why Jack knew so much about Flight 815's blackbox?
What book we're their reading in Juliet's fanclub when the plane crashed?
What was Roseou's team investigating?
How can the other's travel through the jungle without making any sounds?
And most importantly,
The gang found a set of canoes at their old encampment, whose canoes were those and when they took their canoes out to the ocean who started shooting at them right before the time warp kicked in at the last second?
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Lost ending did sucked bad and this is coming from a Lost fan who watched it from the beginning to the end (missed a few episode though due to night class and work). Though I've forgotten somethings there were a lot of holes in the story lines that the story writer covered up or just said the hell with it. The OP doesnt have all the answer to lost and thats for sure after reading 13 pages of this topic.
To answer everyone's question about Walt IMO, Walt was shit to the story line and was never really big. I dont remember watching the episode with Walt having special power and killing birds and shit. The others knew that the island and certain people were special like Richard and Ben. They didnt care about Walt (one more special person wow). They baited Michael using Walt to kill the people on Jacob's list, since the MIB could not kill anyone on the list (seems like only people on the list can kill people on the list on the island).
Questions for OP
1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages).
2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin?
3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season?
4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel).
5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation?
6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly).
7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave?
8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)?
9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)?
10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island?
11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island.
12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later
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On January 14 2012 12:08 TKHawkins wrote:
The problem is a lot of people don't want "answers," but "explinations." They don't care about the island having some mysitcal power source that causes all these things to happen (which is an answer) but rather some lame "aliens from the planet Zarktor came and crashed a ship on that exact spot 8 million years ago." It doesn't really matter why these things happened. What matters is how they happened. Which tied in nicely with the themes of the show about faith and life being the journey, not the destination.
You know why people don't really care for the "magic" explanation? Because it's a cop out of huge proportions and explaining away so much with something as lame as "magical energy" is both bad and unrevarding after watching the show for years.
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On January 14 2012 15:12 benshin wrote:
This Lotr dude that hangs himself..
He gets hold of some cocaine from a plain.. Is this colombian if not, where is it from?
Is the cocaine mixed or the real deal?
Also, whats the deal with Lock. Isen't he some kind of retard? How come he's so pro at exotic wildlife stuff?
I’d guess we would never know if the heroin was the real deal. Another unsolved mystery.
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On January 14 2012 15:26 McFeser wrote:
Im a huge Lost fan, so please tell me why Jack knew so much about Flight 815's blackbox?
He didn't. The (fake) black box was dug up from the bottom of the ocean in the fake Oceanic 815 which Widmore placed. If you're talking about the transciever in the first episode, Jack presumably knew that planes had them.
What book we're their reading in Juliet's fanclub when the plane crashed?
Carrie, Stephen King.
What was Roseou's team investigating?
It was a science expedition, so something to do with science.
How can the other's travel through the jungle without making any sounds?
They can't. They're just normal people. Although they seemed to be very tricksy and very well adapted to the island environment as they have live there for many years.
And most importantly,
The gang found a set of canoes at their old encampment, whose canoes were those and when they took their canoes out to the ocean who started shooting at them right before the time warp kicked in at the last second?
There is no answer to this question. You can either assume it was a group of Widmore's men when he came on the Island in Season 6 or a group of people who came onto the Island sometime after the last episode.
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On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote:
1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages).
Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here.
2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin?
Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB.
3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season?
He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue.
4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel). In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others.
5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation?
Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning.
6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly).
The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable.
7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave?
Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored.
8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)?
After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was.
9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)?
While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable.
10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island?
No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them.
11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island.
It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed.
12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later
There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6).
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On January 14 2012 11:38 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:32 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 11:20 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote:
I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc.
Anyways, I have few questions:
1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit.
2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing
3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end.
4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet.
5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island?
6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid.
7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense.
8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue?
9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared...
10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. + Show Spoiler +2. On Walt, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#44and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#60Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he ask whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt. Walt's story got closure: Walt has some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others need children to added to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded. 3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first women to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. 4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat. 5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions. 6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with this for time travel in the Orchid Station. 7. The Lamp-post was built to DHARMA Initiative by the and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the main component of the MIB's plan. 8. The Egyptians built the statue. Probably because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped. 9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father. 10. It's Libby She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she denoted his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at the Sydney Airport. Do you really find that explanation satisfactory. So the numbers that showed up everywhere were either magical numbers or just a bunch of numbers that by chance showed up everywhere all through the show. I guess there's no other explanation for the numbers in the series but it's another shitty halfassed attempt of making something mysterious that later just gets dropped and isn't properly explained. (No, magic or random chance isn't an explanation) I did think about the numbers a few times throughout the run of the show. My conclusion at around the time of Season 3 was that the numbers were just numbers, and that no possible satisfactory explanation for why numbers show up everywhere can possibly exist. If you had to invent a satisfactory explanation, you'd have a very hard time, and I'd like to hear what it would be. So I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind since then. Numbers are numbers and they didn't really drive the story or have any important role, in any significant way. They showed up occasionally, and it was like "oh hi". From a writer's perspective, it seemed like it was just a theme or motif, that certain things are constant and keep reoccurring, sort of like how people have accidentally stumbled upon, lived on, and died on, the Island, from the start of ship travel and all throughout human history.
Ok, so there were no good ways for the writers to explain the numbers, but that is their fault for introducing them in the first place. Writing yourself into a situation you can't resolve in a satisfactory manner is simply bad writing. If the numbers weren't important, they shouldn't have made a big deal of them. That they were an allegory for certain things recurring through history is speculation on your part. Even if that is true, it wasn't very effective since most of the audience expected the numbers to mean something concrete, and not just be some wishy-washy allegory.
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Why is it when the man in black enters the cave of light he becomes the smoke monster, but when Jack and Desmond goes in they aren't affected. Why is the island so significant i.e. why did darhma move in and set up camp.
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On January 14 2012 11:54 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:43 LesPhoques wrote:On January 14 2012 11:20 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote:
I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc.
Anyways, I have few questions:
1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit.
2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing
3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end.
4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet.
5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island?
6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid.
7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense.
8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue?
9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared...
10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. 2. On Walt, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#44and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#60Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt. Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded. 3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special. 4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat. 5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions. 6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station. 7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan. 8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped. 9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father. 10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport. 1. Numbers are just numbers? Then why other sequence of numbers didn't bring luck or take it away? Hugo was a normal person but he won using those numbers, his luck has died. You failed to answer those questions. 2. You didn't answer my questions. 3. Baby was special. Watch the show again. It was a big deal to get the baby immunized even if vaccine was a placebo 4. Again, vaccine. It was important to get the baby vaccinated. Stop avoiding this question... 5. Automated? Really? Type "24" on a 1970's PC and they would automatically send you the food. OK, sure. Lets say it was all packaged in 70s to be sent to island and they packaged tons of food. Sure but one thing, food was fucking perishable. That shit would've went bad in few weeks. Mayonnaise was there. OK sure, mayonnaise was special Dharma mayonnaise and their was food was covered in Dharma magic dust so it won't turn bad. Automated airplane? Automated shipping? Automated 50 year old automated system? Or did they simply have a mile long cannon that would shoot the food to an island using a new Dharma physical formula which was written by MiB in order to keep people there? Dude ... 6. Yeah, Romans came all the way to the South Pacific and same as Egyptians. Plus, this info wasn't even mentioned on show, stop making up stuff. 7. Again, Eloise thing is pure speculation on your part. Show me facts. Mistake by writers. 8. Again, Egyptians build that shit in South Pacific. Even Jacob didn't know who built it and you do. That statue was an Egyptian God of fertility. Jokes. 9. I mean, where is the corpse? It was on plane and boom, disappeared. 10. Speculation again. Dude, I watched this show fairly analytically, and it failed on every level of logic. Not to sound mean, but you argue like extremely religious lunatics. 1. There is no answer beyond, (a) numbers are numbers or (b) it's magic like Jacob. Take your pick. Either choice is consistent with the rest of the show. You don't like that, but it's the truth. 2. What's your question? 3, 4. The baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone"). 5. There are 2 people in a warehouse in present day Guam who receive instructions from an automated computer about sending food drops to certain coordinates. Read: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_New_Man_in_Charge#Orote_Peninsula.2C_Guam6. The Island is capable of moving. It isn't always in the Pacific. The Romans did come by ship, and that was shown in the show (see the episode "Across the Sea"). At some point Egyptians obviously came given all the Egyptian structures they built. 7. The Lamp-post is not speculation. Eloise's motives are. 8. Egyptians obviously build an Egyptian statue. 9. The MIB almost surely moved it or destroyed it so his plan wouldn't be discovered. 10. It's not speculation that Libby was not insane before getting on the plane and that Libby's husband died (see episodes "?" and "Live Together, Die Alone", respectively). The show is not meant to be didactic where they explicitly hit you over the head with the answer to every little insignificant question you may have. You should also use the art of deduction for often.
A big portion of your answers just shows how many stupid red herrings the writers used in the show. You call it insignificant questions, I call it questions that clearly show how the writers didn't have a clear direction with the show. That or you just don't know the real answers to the questions, which leave me to wonder what is the point of this whole thread.
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I don't even really remember lost that well. But I remember thinking about it and reading up on it for a long while. And I remember concluding that it was stupid not because they didn't answer questions, but because the answers were so mindbogglingly stupid and uninteresting. First three seasons were great! And then all the time travel and other dumb stuff was introduced, which made me hate lost.
And the ending was crap, no matter what your interpretation of it is.
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How did Hurley get that nick name?
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never finished watching it, might be my brain playing tricks on me but if i remember correctly i stopped watching after the first episode since the writers strike was over. Loved the first couple of seasons but felt it became just plain dumb after a while. My question would be, did they change writers, directors or something during the strike?
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