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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Cant people just look it up on the wiki? and if not, just go update the wiki with these answers? The wiki is the source of all information for a said thing no? Go put it all there... Or do you want the satisfaction of "being that guy" or something ?  You also seem very defensive as everyone has pointed out.. :| Ignore me, carry on. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On January 13 2012 17:30 loladin wrote: How come Hurley didn't lose any weight? Man, I asked myself, and those around me mind you, this question every single episode... :/ The people on survivor look like skeletons after one month. Conclusion: Hurley had a mad stash, but we never got to see it. The episode where he dumps all his junk food was staged. That wasn't 1% of it. | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 14 2012 09:14 lvatural wrote: For you personally, what do you believe to be the meaning behind Lost? What is the underlying thread that bound all the episodes from the first to last? As a side point (and to advocate for the show a bit), whether you enjoyed Lost can really depend upon how you watch the show itself. For example, I think the writers intended the plot only to be used as a means towards furthering the main purpose of the show, coloring character reformation. To be more pointed, the purpose of the show was to demonstrate the journey and end of different characters and to put a measure of meaning on what is to be believed a "right" vs. "wrong" kind of life. No characters were born from the same circumstances nor made the same choices, yet there is clearly some demarcation of how some character developments were progressive or degenerative. Regardless of the actual events that happened during the show, it matters more on how each character dealt with the change and how the character evolved for better or worse. During the entirety of the show, the plot twists, time traveling, "magic" as some people call it, are all relevant in that they present furtherance towards this development but irrelevant in the sense that it makes the "plot" more confusing. Actually the writers may have intended to distort the "plot" to emphasize this purpose itself. …But given the restraints of media demands, I feel that much of the plot was unnecessarily (and rather poorly) forced to explain things that didn't really need explaining in the first place. Thus the hullabaloo in the thread. T.T Anyhow I think Lost is a great show. If I would have to sum it up in one word it would be redemption. Essentially, the show is about a cast of flawed and damaged individuals brought onto the Island by Jacob for a second chance. While the purpose behind Jacob's plan was to prevent his brother, the Man in Black, from leaving the Island, because he is evil incarnate, what struck me as central to the show are the characters journey to redemption on the Island. If the story of Lost could be summed up and explained in one scene, this would be it: | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2553 Posts
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Mysteries_At_a_Glance If you want theories then there is plenty of discussion on the site as well. Everything from Walt to the meaning of life. | ||
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
Producers - "No, that's not it" .. Season Finale - Everyone is dead. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 14 2012 09:50 Playguuu wrote: Fans - "Hey I think everyone in the show is in purgatory/dead" Producers - "No, that's not it" .. Season Finale - Everyone is dead. No, everything that happened on the Island and the outside world is real. The flash-sideways, a timeline that was only seen in season 6 was purgatory or dead, or whatever you like to call it. | ||
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miky_ardiente
Mexico387 Posts
On January 14 2012 09:19 miky_ardiente wrote: thanks for making this thread, i have a question when jack and the rest return to the island, how would they know their plane will crash like the first one did? and second, why jack, kate and hurley "arrived" in the past, and the rest of the passengers in the present? anyone can answer this ? | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
1. They didn't. They met Eloise Hawking who told them that that is what they needed to do to go back to the Island, and they believed her. Eloise had access to The Lamp-post, the DHARMA Station that was used to originally find the Island. 2. Jack, Kate and Hurley arrived in the past because they have to. They were the cause of The Incident at the Swan Site in the 70s, and so they must have arrived in the past to close that time loop, which is what eventually caused the first plane to crash in the first place. Time travel on Lost follows the "whatever happened, happened" rule. You can't change the past, so they needed to arrive in the 70s in order for that past that can't be changed to happen as it originally did. Sorry I missed your post, it was at the bottom of the last page. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On January 14 2012 00:34 paralleluniverse wrote: There is evidence that the exotic matter is related to life after death. From a scientific perspective, exotic matter can refer to, for example, tachyons, hypothetical particles responsible for time travel. From a science fiction media point of view, this is no more less believable than, say, genetic mutation allowing mutants to read minds and control metal. There really isn't any evidence linking the exotic matter to characters with powers or letting them be immortal. In fact, Miles had the power to read dead people before going to the island. It's very much true that it isn't any more or less believable than other fantasy fiction. However, if you made a mystery out of the X-Men where you had this whole "Oh man, how did they get these powers?!?" thing for years and then gave the explanation that "They mutated!" and be done with it that would be laughable. Magic is all well and good as a plot device, but as the answer to a mystery it's ridiculously stupid. To have a mystery be "answered" by impossibilities is no answer at all. Impossibilities can facilitate plot and that's not a problem, but as a conclusion it is no more than a "because". That said, if others liked the show then that's up to them. Obviously you're free to disagree and find it satisfying and as such it was a success for many people. | ||
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Thratur
Canada917 Posts
Second question : how do they do these supply drops in the first place? They have an aircraft carrier around? | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 14 2012 10:27 Thratur wrote: Why did the supply drops keep coming even though the Dharma initiative is long dead? Second question : how do they do these supply drops in the first place? They have an aircraft carrier around? The supply drop comes from a warehouse that receives automated instructions from a computer. The packages are launched to some coordinates given my the computer and dropped using a parachute. This occurs in the epilogue, which unfortunately can only be seen on the DVDs. | ||
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miky_ardiente
Mexico387 Posts
On January 14 2012 10:11 paralleluniverse wrote: 1. They didn't. They met Eloise Hawking who told them that that is what they needed to do to go back to the Island, and they believed her. Eloise had access to The Lamp-post, the DHARMA Station that was used to originally find the Island. 2. Jack, Kate and Hurley arrived in the past because they have to. They were the cause of The Incident at the Swan Site in the 70s, and so they must have arrived in the past to close that time loop, which is what eventually caused the first plane to crash in the first place. Time travel on Lost follows the "whatever happened, happened" rule. You can't change the past, so they needed to arrive in the 70s in order for that past that can't be changed to happen as it originally did. Sorry I missed your post, it was at the bottom of the last page. thanks for the answers, sorry i was a bit impatient, its just that since the end of the series i always had the doubt, seems like too much to just say oh lets take this plane and hope it crashes in the island, without any logical reason for it also i remember an arc where they are living their lifes just fine and suddenly remember being on the island and recognize the people they met and star crying and hug each other, (example sawyer and the blond doctor girl) whats up with that? | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 14 2012 10:35 miky_ardiente wrote: thanks for the answers, sorry i was a bit impatient, its just that since the end of the series i always had the doubt, seems like too much to just say oh lets take this plane and hope it crashes in the island, without any logical reason for it also i remember an arc where they are living their lifes just fine and suddenly remember being on the island and recognize the people they met and star crying and hug each other, (example sawyer and the blond doctor girl) whats up with that? That timeline is the flash sideways. It's an afterlife, it occurs chronologically after they died, either on the island or due to old age or whatever. | ||
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Thratur
Canada917 Posts
On January 14 2012 10:29 paralleluniverse wrote: The supply drop comes from a warehouse that receives automated instructions from a computer. The packages are launched to some coordinates given my the computer and dropped using a parachute. This occurs in the epilogue, which unfortunately can only be seen on the DVDs. Thank you, this solves the biggest problem I had with Lost. I never knew there was an epilogue and I have now watched it. | ||
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LesPhoques
Canada782 Posts
Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote: I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc. Anyways, I have few questions: 1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit. 2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing 3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end. 4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet. 5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island? 6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid. 7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense. 8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue? 9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared... 10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary. 1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. 2. On Walt, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#44 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#60 Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt. Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded. 3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special. 4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat. 5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions. 6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station. 7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan. 8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped. 9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father. 10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport. | ||
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Mythito
Canada230 Posts
oh that explains everything and makes the show wonderful instead of it being a giant clusterfuck | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On January 14 2012 11:20 paralleluniverse wrote: 1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. + Show Spoiler + 2. On Walt, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#44 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#60 Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he ask whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt. Walt's story got closure: Walt has some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others need children to added to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded. 3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first women to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. 4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat. 5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions. 6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with this for time travel in the Orchid Station. 7. The Lamp-post was built to DHARMA Initiative by the and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the main component of the MIB's plan. 8. The Egyptians built the statue. Probably because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped. 9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father. 10. It's Libby She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she denoted his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at the Sydney Airport. Do you really find that explanation satisfactory. So the numbers that showed up everywhere were either magical numbers or just a bunch of numbers that by chance showed up everywhere all through the show. I guess there's no other explanation for the numbers in the show but it's another shitty halfassed attempt of making something mysterious that later just gets dropped and isn't properly explained. (No, magic or random chance isn't an explanation) | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 14 2012 11:32 karpo wrote: Do you really find that explanation satisfactory. So the numbers that showed up everywhere were either magical numbers or just a bunch of numbers that by chance showed up everywhere all through the show. I guess there's no other explanation for the numbers in the series but it's another shitty halfassed attempt of making something mysterious that later just gets dropped and isn't properly explained. (No, magic or random chance isn't an explanation) I did think about the numbers a few times throughout the run of the show. My conclusion at around the time of Season 3 was that the numbers were just numbers, and that no possible satisfactory explanation for why numbers show up everywhere can possibly exist. If you had to invent a satisfactory explanation, you'd have a very hard time, and I'd like to hear what it would be. So I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind since then. Numbers are numbers and they didn't really drive the story or have any important role, in any significant way. They showed up occasionally, and it was like "oh hi". From a writer's perspective, it seemed like it was just a theme or motif, that certain things are constant and keep reoccurring, sort of like how people have accidentally stumbled upon, lived on, and died on, the Island, from the start of ship travel and all throughout human history. | ||
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