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On January 14 2012 22:31 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote:
1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages). Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here. Show nested quote +2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin? Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB. Show nested quote +3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season? He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue. Show nested quote +4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel). In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others. Show nested quote +5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation? Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning. Show nested quote +6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly). The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable. Show nested quote +7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave? Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored. Show nested quote +8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)? After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was. Show nested quote +9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)? While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable. Show nested quote +10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island? No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them. Show nested quote +11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island. It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed. Show nested quote +12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6).
2. You answered question 2 with a question what type of answer is that?
4. Why didnt Miles die from the flashes he and Charlotte were born on the island pretty much having the same exposure? The radio guy died in "The Constant" just by being near the phone where
5. If you watch the episode about Miles, when he visits his mother in the hospital she was having radiation poisoning characteristic, pretty much hinting she was dying from radiation poisoning.
6. If the magic stopped why didnt the Lock changed back to MIB. (Dont give me ur opinions I want answers)
7. Why didnt Jack come back to life after restoring the rock. The rules should have been applied and kept him from dying.
8. Faraday's mother stopped Desmond from marrying Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." She knew that he was time traveling. Thats when she tells him that he cant changed the future.
12. Well I guess you dont have all the answer to lost since you couldnt even provide an answer to this question. We can tell that the ship was outside of the islands range, by the helicopters coordinates in "The Constant." The pilot had a cheat sheet to get back to the ship. Jin was affected because he started to swim back to the island. But that still doesnt explain how the MIB got on the ship. That was the MIB on the ship because he appeared out of thin air and told Michael he will take care of it.
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On January 13 2012 17:30 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote:
Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again? Because the actor outgrew his role. In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that.
I think this was my biggest early frustration with the series. To have made such a big deal out of this kid and then to have absolutely no follow up and no demonstration of what actually the big deal, it just kills the tension. What was the point really? It's like having Frodo journey all the way to Gondor with the reader under the impression that the Ring was the key to destroying Sauron and then the Ring get's lost halfway through and we forget about it entirely. Alright, so maybe the 'chosen one' wasn't as big a deal as the One Ring, but considering the amount of crazy visions, kidnapping plots that built up to... absolutely nothing. I actually like the misdirection everyone thinking it was Claire's baby, but it turns out to be Walt. But it was one of those continuing plot tensions that completely swept under the rug.
I really liked Lost in it's early stages. It had the feeling of Myst or Riven with the weird hatch, leftover high-tech, but ancient. And in that sense I liked the return to that feel in Season 6. But I didn't really like the flash back and forward in time combined with the flash sideways. It felt like they had run out of backstory flashbacks to do so they created something else entirely and it just put too many things on the table. It made everything else feel crowded rather than sticking with and expanding upon the elements they had introduced in the first 3 seasons. (It felt more of a natural progression of S1 discovery/survival on island, S2 discovery hatch, S3 the Others. S4-6 where... I don't even know.
My specific question has to do with Jacob's Cabin. So one too many plot twists later I just couldn't be bothered to go back to figure out the real motivation and purpose with all the misdirection. Originally Locke was given some sort of purpose or direction from "Jacob" and I actually liked his transition from an outcast man of faith to a confident man of action (until he turned into cult leader, threatening guns at everyone.) But it turns out Jacob's Cabin was actually Christian who was actually the MiB. But by the time they revealed that, I had lost track of what the original purpose/ mission was and so I couldn't figure out what MiB gained from the entire enterprise. Any ideas?
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I heard that Lost was meant to last for three seasons but that it was dragged out because so many people watched it.Is that true?
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On January 15 2012 08:03 Fireflies wrote:
I heard that Lost was meant to last for three seasons but that it was dragged out because so many people watched it.Is that true?
No they didn't know how long it would be at the outset, and that is part of the problem (it is the networks decision, not just the writers). It picked up pace a lot from season 4 since they made a deal late in season 3 that there would be only three more seasons with only 16 episodes each. That let them allow the story to progress without risking to use up all their ideas. But it also meant that a lot of things that had been mysterious and made a big deal of in the earlier seasons got a lot of fast answers and got trivialized.
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On January 14 2012 23:53 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:54 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 14 2012 11:43 LesPhoques wrote:On January 14 2012 11:20 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 14 2012 10:54 LesPhoques wrote:
I read this thread and reeks of fanboyism. You didn't really answer some of the questions and simply wrote them off as "Actor outgrew", etc.
Anyways, I have few questions:
1. Why numbers were cursed? They made a big deal out of it and at the end, they simply corresponded to numberes assigned to candidates. That's it? Cameo appereances by the pattern in every single small detail they could put in and that is the answer? Bullshit.
2. WaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaalt. Special kid. Polar bear came out when he saw a polar bear in a comic and he can kill birds. AAAAAAND he found a way to PC on a fucking island and talked to his dad (And he seemed to know that it was his dad on other end). AAAAAND he came as a premonition to Locke, which saved Locke (Walt said Locke had things to do for THE island and Locke turned into a bad guy who tried to destroy the island. Irony?). Then he disappeared. Bullshit writing
3. Little baby. He was a big deal in the beginning. Turned into a useless baby at the end.
4. Vaccine. What the fuck? There was no sickness and by sickness, it was assumed that Fog would corrupt people. And why would little baby needed that vaccine sooo badly? Then they forgot about the vaccine. Sweet.
5. Dharma Initiative. Why would they send food if they know that project has died and nobody gave a shit about the island?
6. Wheel? How the fuck does it work and how they hell they put it there in a first place? I mean, if you turn it once, whole island jumps in time but how in the hell you drill it, then put it and control it? Stupid.
7. Old lady in a church/monastery. How did that pendulum work? What in the hell is that and who build it? She knew all the info that Jacob knew but somehow got Locke's body transported there as well so she works with Smoke? Makes no sense.
8. Who built the statue? What is the point of building that statue?
9. Where is John's dad's body? It disappeared...
10. Levy. Why was she in a mental hospital? She wasn't insane at all in an island and was as normal as everyone else. That wasn't necessary.
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers. About Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a). Take your pick. 2. On Walt, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#44and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302876¤tpage=3#60Also, the polar bear didn't come out when he saw it in the comic. Polar bears have been on the Island since the 70s, the DHARMA Initiative brought them there. He didn't know he was talking to his dad, he asked whether he was talking to his dad on the computer. When he came to Locke in Season 3 that was not Walt, Walt was off the Island at that stage. It was probably the Smoke Monster or it was not real or it was a previously unseen power of Walt. Walt's story got closure: Walt had some powers, he was kidnapped because the Others needed children to add to their ranks (they can't procreate) and because they wanted to study him, then he got off the Island, and then his story concluded. 3. The baby was never a big deal. The psychic was a fraud. However, Claire was the first woman to successfully give birth on the Island since the detonation of the hydrogen bomb. The baby is not special. 4. The sickness that Rousseau was talking about was sometimes falling under the influence of the MIB when having a near death experience, such as what happened to Claire and Sayid. The vaccine is a fraud by Kelvin to keep Desmond in the Hatch while he escaped on Desmond's boat. 5. The food drops came from automated computer instructions. 6. The wheel was started by the Romans and completed by perhaps the Egyptians, to harness the exotic matter under the Island for time travel and teleportation. The DHARMA Initiative also experimented with the exotic matter for time travel in the Orchid Station. 7. The Lamp-post was built by the DHARMA Initiative and used some science to map out the position of the Island by searching for the energy underneath it. It's possible that Eloise was working with the MIB or that the MIB somehow led her to believe that she should tell Jack to bring Locke's body to the Island, which is the most important component of the MIB's plan. 8. The Egyptians built the statue. Obviously because it's one of the many gods in Egyptian mythology that they worshiped. 9. The MIB moved it or destroyed it so that Jack would believe he saw his father. 10. It's Libby. She was mental, she went to a hospital (possibly due to the death of her husband, after which she donated his boat to Desmond) and then she got better. She was presumably not insane before she crashed on the Island. She seemed very sane when she gave a boat to Desmond and at Sydney Airport. 1. Numbers are just numbers? Then why other sequence of numbers didn't bring luck or take it away? Hugo was a normal person but he won using those numbers, his luck has died. You failed to answer those questions. 2. You didn't answer my questions. 3. Baby was special. Watch the show again. It was a big deal to get the baby immunized even if vaccine was a placebo 4. Again, vaccine. It was important to get the baby vaccinated. Stop avoiding this question... 5. Automated? Really? Type "24" on a 1970's PC and they would automatically send you the food. OK, sure. Lets say it was all packaged in 70s to be sent to island and they packaged tons of food. Sure but one thing, food was fucking perishable. That shit would've went bad in few weeks. Mayonnaise was there. OK sure, mayonnaise was special Dharma mayonnaise and their was food was covered in Dharma magic dust so it won't turn bad. Automated airplane? Automated shipping? Automated 50 year old automated system? Or did they simply have a mile long cannon that would shoot the food to an island using a new Dharma physical formula which was written by MiB in order to keep people there? Dude ... 6. Yeah, Romans came all the way to the South Pacific and same as Egyptians. Plus, this info wasn't even mentioned on show, stop making up stuff. 7. Again, Eloise thing is pure speculation on your part. Show me facts. Mistake by writers. 8. Again, Egyptians build that shit in South Pacific. Even Jacob didn't know who built it and you do. That statue was an Egyptian God of fertility. Jokes. 9. I mean, where is the corpse? It was on plane and boom, disappeared. 10. Speculation again. Dude, I watched this show fairly analytically, and it failed on every level of logic. Not to sound mean, but you argue like extremely religious lunatics. 1. There is no answer beyond, (a) numbers are numbers or (b) it's magic like Jacob. Take your pick. Either choice is consistent with the rest of the show. You don't like that, but it's the truth. 2. What's your question? 3, 4. The baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone"). 5. There are 2 people in a warehouse in present day Guam who receive instructions from an automated computer about sending food drops to certain coordinates. Read: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_New_Man_in_Charge#Orote_Peninsula.2C_Guam6. The Island is capable of moving. It isn't always in the Pacific. The Romans did come by ship, and that was shown in the show (see the episode "Across the Sea"). At some point Egyptians obviously came given all the Egyptian structures they built. 7. The Lamp-post is not speculation. Eloise's motives are. 8. Egyptians obviously build an Egyptian statue. 9. The MIB almost surely moved it or destroyed it so his plan wouldn't be discovered. 10. It's not speculation that Libby was not insane before getting on the plane and that Libby's husband died (see episodes "?" and "Live Together, Die Alone", respectively). The show is not meant to be didactic where they explicitly hit you over the head with the answer to every little insignificant question you may have. You should also use the art of deduction for often. A big portion of your answers just shows how many stupid red herrings the writers used in the show. You call it insignificant questions, I call it questions that clearly show how the writers didn't have a clear direction with the show. That or you just don't know the real answers to the questions, which leave me to wonder what is the point of this whole thread.
Out of those 10 "questions":
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, I have answered definitively, and I can provide you with exact references from the show of these answers if you want.
1, 8, 9, are almost surely the truth given what has been shown on the show.
2, isn't a question at all.
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On January 14 2012 23:50 Retgery wrote:
Why is it when the man in black enters the cave of light he becomes the smoke monster, but when Jack and Desmond goes in they aren't affected. Why is the island so significant i.e. why did darhma move in and set up camp.
1. The nature of the Smoke Monster and the Light is speculative, and no definitive answer has been given on the show. There are several theories on why the MIB turned into the Smoke Monster, while Jack and Desmond didn't. The answer could be as mundane as Desmond not being affected by electromagnetism, and that Jack didn't really get zapped by the Light since when he put the cork back in, the Light was out and didn't get restored completely until a bit later.
A further point on this issue. Here's a quote (from the Across the Sea audio commentary) about the speculation on whether or not Jacob's Mother was the Smoke Monster, and goes to explain why mysteries of this sort were not directly addressed on the show.
Damon Lindelof: ...she has laid waste to the entire village. And what an interesting theory that is because one of the questions that keeps arising is: If Jacob's smoke monster was his brother, then who was the smoke monster before him? Or was the smoke monster actually created in this episode? Does good always need evil? And that is an excellent question to be asking. Why weren't we clearer, more defined, about that? Carlton, why won't we just answer the question? Carlton Cuse: By answering that question I think we would strip the audience of their ability to have the exact conversation that you and I are having. And to debate the exact issues that you mention. And that is the part of Lost that we feel... ...that we should not take away from the audience. We feel like the show speaks for itself but the show has things that are intentionally ambiguous to allow people to debate and discuss. This is one of them. Which is, what is the origin of evil? Does it exist as this episode is started or are we seeing the origin of evil? ls this a Garden of Eden story? Or is this really a morality tale in which there are still unrevealed mysteries? Source: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Across_the_Sea_audio_commentary
2. Mainly to study the Light or exotic matter, amongst other things.
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On January 15 2012 00:42 Dizmaul wrote:
How did Hurley get that nick name?
No idea. This was actually never mentioned on the show.
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On January 15 2012 00:49 henkel wrote:
never finished watching it, might be my brain playing tricks on me but if i remember correctly i stopped watching after the first episode since the writers strike was over. Loved the first couple of seasons but felt it became just plain dumb after a while. My question would be, did they change writers, directors or something during the strike?
No. Damon Lindelof was one of the co-creators of the show, and was showrunner from beginning to end. Carlton Cuse joined as showrunner about halfway through Season 1 and also stayed in that role to the end. So the same people were driving the creative direction of the show from start to end.
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When John and Benjamin wen't to the cabin for the first time, and John didn't see anyone. At the end of the scene there was a figure on the chair(Jacob) that looked nothing like the Jacob during the last season. Why was he an old bald bearded fat guy in the cabin but young fit haired guy in the last season
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On January 15 2012 12:36 gosublade wrote:
When John and Benjamin wen't to the cabin for the first time, and John didn't see anyone. At the end of the scene there was a figure on the chair(Jacob) that looked nothing like the Jacob during the last season. Why was he an old bald bearded fat guy in the cabin but young fit haired guy in the last season
I think they literally just didn't hire the actor until later.
Heroes did the same thing with Sylar.
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On January 15 2012 07:05 BreakerD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote:
1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages). Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here. 2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin? Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB. 3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season? He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue. 4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel). In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others. 5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation? Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning. 6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly). The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable. 7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave? Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored. 8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)? After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was. 9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)? While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable. 10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island? No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them. 11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island. It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed. 12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6). 2. You answered question 2 with a question what type of answer is that? 4. Why didnt Miles die from the flashes he and Charlotte were born on the island pretty much having the same exposure? The radio guy died in "The Constant" just by being near the phone where 5. If you watch the episode about Miles, when he visits his mother in the hospital she was having radiation poisoning characteristic, pretty much hinting she was dying from radiation poisoning. 6. If the magic stopped why didnt the Lock changed back to MIB. (Dont give me ur opinions I want answers) 7. Why didnt Jack come back to life after restoring the rock. The rules should have been applied and kept him from dying. 8. Faraday's mother stopped Desmond from marrying Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." She knew that he was time traveling. Thats when she tells him that he cant changed the future. 12. Well I guess you dont have all the answer to lost since you couldnt even provide an answer to this question. We can tell that the ship was outside of the islands range, by the helicopters coordinates in "The Constant." The pilot had a cheat sheet to get back to the ship. Jin was affected because he started to swim back to the island. But that still doesnt explain how the MIB got on the ship. That was the MIB on the ship because he appeared out of thin air and told Michael he will take care of it.
2. I'm not sure what you meant. You ask how did the MIB get trapped and then released. I answered by saying the only people on the Island on the period of time between the cabin being built and the crash were DHARMA, the Others, and Jacob. So the answer to how he was trapped was one of these 3 parties did it. We don't know which. He was released when one of these 3 parties broke the ash circle. That's not a complete answer, but that's as close to an answer as the show has given.
4. Miles was a baby when he was evacuated from the Island, Charlotte had lived there for several years and was a young child. If I had to guess from the age of the child actors playing them, Miles was about 1 years old, and Charlotte was about 8 or 9.
5. It wasn't stated that she was dying from radiation poisoning, and I don't think radiation poisoning occurs like 20-30 years after exposure, even though she was never exposed.
6. Illana said the MIB was stuck in Locke's form because Jacob died (see the episode "The Substitute").
7. Firstly, it seems the Rules don't prevent people from indirectly killing each other, such as when Jacob through the MIB down the Source. Secondly, the MIB stabbed Jack when the Source was out, so the Rules didn't apply. Thirdly, Jack didn't only die from the stabbing, the electromagnetic energy after he sat in the Source for a few moments after recorking it also contributed to his death.
8. In that episode, Desmond was consciousness traveling (as he was in "The Constant"), but Eloise didn't know that. Obviously she knew what "whatever happened, happened", because she was a physicist who dedicated her studies to time travel after killing her son. Her knowledge of the future can only be explained by having Faraday's journal, which she was reading in "Follow the Leader". Also note that Desmond was mention in Faraday's journal as his constant.
12. The Whispers can be heard before Christian's appearance, which suggests that the ship was in the radius of the Island. Further, it was never said that the time dilation effects that occur on the area surrounding the Island, occur on the boundary of the Island's radius. There is no direct answer given to this question on the show. As I've already said, you're free to speculate whether it was the MIB or whether it was Christian's spirit or whether it was someone else.
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On January 15 2012 13:06 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 07:05 BreakerD wrote:On January 14 2012 22:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote:
1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages). Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here. 2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin? Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB. 3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season? He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue. 4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel). In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others. 5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation? Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning. 6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly). The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable. 7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave? Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored. 8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)? After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was. 9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)? While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable. 10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island? No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them. 11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island. It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed. 12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6). 2. You answered question 2 with a question what type of answer is that? 4. Why didnt Miles die from the flashes he and Charlotte were born on the island pretty much having the same exposure? The radio guy died in "The Constant" just by being near the phone where 5. If you watch the episode about Miles, when he visits his mother in the hospital she was having radiation poisoning characteristic, pretty much hinting she was dying from radiation poisoning. 6. If the magic stopped why didnt the Lock changed back to MIB. (Dont give me ur opinions I want answers) 7. Why didnt Jack come back to life after restoring the rock. The rules should have been applied and kept him from dying. 8. Faraday's mother stopped Desmond from marrying Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." She knew that he was time traveling. Thats when she tells him that he cant changed the future. 12. Well I guess you dont have all the answer to lost since you couldnt even provide an answer to this question. We can tell that the ship was outside of the islands range, by the helicopters coordinates in "The Constant." The pilot had a cheat sheet to get back to the ship. Jin was affected because he started to swim back to the island. But that still doesnt explain how the MIB got on the ship. That was the MIB on the ship because he appeared out of thin air and told Michael he will take care of it. 2. I'm not sure what you meant. You ask how did the MIB get trapped and then released. I answered by saying the only people on the Island on the period of time between when the cabin was built and the crash were DHARMA, the Others, and Jacob. So the answer to how he was trapped was one of these 3 parties did it. We don't know which. He was released when one of these 3 parties broke the ash circle. That's not a complete answer, but that's as close to an answer as the show has given. 4. Miles was a baby when he was evacuated from the Island, Charlotte had lived there for several years and was a young child. If I had to guess from the age of the child actors playing them, Miles about 1 years old, and Charlotte was about 8 or 9. 5. It wasn't stated that she was dying from radiation poisoning, and I don't think radiation poison occurs like 20-30 years after exposure, even through she was never exposed. 6. Because Illana said he was the MIB was stuck the Locke's form because Jacob died (see the episode "The Substitute"). 7. Firstly, it seems the Rules don't prevent people from indirectly killing each other, such as when Jacob through the MIB down the Source. Secondly, the MIB stabbed Jack when the Source was out, so the Rules didn't apply. Thirdly, Jack didn't only died from the stabbing, the electromagnetic energy after he sat in the Source for a few moments after recorking it also contributed to his death. 8. In that episode, Desmond was consciousnesses traveling (as he was in "The Constant"), but Eloise didn't know that. Obviously she knew what "whatever happened, happened", because she was a physicist, so dedicated her studies to time travel after killing her son. Her knowledge of the future can only be explained by having Faraday's journal, which she was reading in "Follow the Leader". Also note that Desmond was mention in Faraday's journal as his constant. 12. There is no direct answer given to this question given on the show.
tyvm for doing this, I really appreciated the answers and it was a good read 
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On January 15 2012 13:10 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 13:06 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 15 2012 07:05 BreakerD wrote:On January 14 2012 22:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 14 2012 15:35 BreakerD wrote:
1. You answered in an earlier post about how Walt came back to tell Lock he had a job to finish after being shot. You said it was not Walt and it was the MIB. I think thats dumbass answer. After watching most of Lost I have come to few conclusions, and one of them is that the MIB can only take form of people who died on the island. So if Walt never died how did he become Walt? (dont ask me to go find what page your response is because I dont want to go back and read 13 pages). Actually, the MIB can also take the form of people who died off the Island by scanning the minds of people (e.g Richard's wife) or when their body is brought onto the Island (Yemi). As for Walt's appearance, there was no specific answer given. Walt also appeared to Shannon, and led her into the jungle where Sayid saw him too. So you can assume that this sort of projection is another power that Walt had. Or you can assume that it's another power the MIB had. In one of the webisodes, right after the crash of Oceanic 815, Christian (who is the MIB) tells Vincent to wake up Jack, and that he [Jack] has work to do. This is exactly the same thing Walt said to Locke, so it's also reasonable to assume that this appearance of Walt is the MIB. Further, in one of the podcasts the producers says that these appearances of Walt are monster related (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/March_21,_2008#Questions). So there's no definitive answer here. 2. How the hell did the MIB get stuck in the cabin and who released him from the cabin? Someone trapped him there. It would have to be Jacob, the Others, or the DHARMA Initiative, as they were the only people on the Island from the time between when the cabin was built to the time of the crash. At some point before the crash someone broke the ash circle, releasing the MIB. 3. Why didnt the MIB send Ben to kill Jacob earlier, why did they wait until the last season? He needed to trick Ben into killing Jacob. Ben had no reason to kill Jacob until Locke talked him into it. He also had to take Locke's body as Locke could ask Richard to take him to Jacob. Further, the MIB didn't know where Jacob lived at that time. If you rewatch the final episode of Season 5, the MIB is very surprised when Richard tells him that Jacob could be found in the statue. 4. How is it that everyone who came on the oceanic flight and submarine, didnt die from the time difference like Charlotte (she came on the island from the ship like Faraday and he too had to link himself with time by reading his notebook about desmond's time travel). In the very episode where Charlotte died (or the episode before), Faraday explained that the time flashes had greater effect on those who had been on the Island the longest, and would get progressively worse. Charlotte lived on the Island as a child so she was the first to die. The time flashes stopped before it killed the others. 5. How did Miles mom get radiation poisoning if they left before the bomb went off? If Miles mom is dying from radiation poisoning, why isnt Miles also affected by the radiation? Nowhere is it said that Miles' mom had radiation poisoning. 6. How did Jack and Lock (aka MIB) kill each other? (The rule was that they couldnt kill each other directly). The magic stopped when the Light was put out. It made the MIB mortal and killable. 7. WTF was the point of Desmund, since Jacked moved the rock in the light cave? Jack would not have survived the electromagnetic energy that Desmond endured when he uncorked the Island. Jack was only able to put the cork back because the Light was gone, so there was no electromagnetic energy until it was restored. 8. How is it that Faraday's mother knew Desmund was time traveling and fucking around with time (she explained to him that time would correct itself)? After killing her son on the Island, Eloise became a physicist to figure these things out, and to try and prevent Daniel from being killed by her. Eloise didn't know Desmond was time travelling. She never met him during the time when he was. 9. Whats the point of Hurely protecting the light when the MIB is dead and no one can find the light (only chosen people can find it)? While it seems that only the protector can get to The Source, it is very possible for other people to find the Island. The US Army found the Island in the 60s, and they were not chosen. The DHARMA Initiative found it in the 70s, they too weren't chosen. The Light or exotic matter can also be access by drilling into the Island, as was done at the Orchid and Swan Station. Whether the Light needs protection at all is debatable. 10. If time was messed up because Jack, Kate, and Sun left the island, why didnt the same thing happen when Whitmore, Faraday's mother, and the other people left the island? No, time was messed up because Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel. The wheel was seen randomly spinning. The only reason Jack and co. needed to come back was so the MIB can kill them. 11. If it was required for everyone who left the island to be on the same plane to return to the island, why didnt Lock gather Walt, and the same people from above to get on the plane so they would be allowed to return to the island. It was not necessary to recreate the conditions of the original crash as claimed by Eloise. It was merely a ploy to get all the candidates back, and for Jack to bring Locke's body so the MIB can use it to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob, and so that he could get the candidates killed. 12. The ship that brought Miles, Faraday, and the others to the island was parked out of the time difference meaning it was out of the islands range (Faraday knew moving it too close would give them the time difference sickness which would kill them), how does Christian (aka MIB) get on the ship (ship gets blown up by the bomb and Michael dies)? Doesnt that mean that he left the island?
More questions later There is no definitive answer to this question. Firstly, it is likely that the freighter was within the radius of the Island because of all the crazy stuff that happened to the people on the freighter (reading books upside down, jumping into the ocean in chains, etc). Also when the freighter exploded, Jin, who was on it, was within the radius of the time flashes. However, whether or not the Christian on the freighter was the MIB is speculative. The MIB cannot travel over water as he said to Sawyer. So either he sneaked onto the freighter, or it wasn't the MIB and it was the spirit of Christian (like when Michael appeared to Hurley in Season 6). 2. You answered question 2 with a question what type of answer is that? 4. Why didnt Miles die from the flashes he and Charlotte were born on the island pretty much having the same exposure? The radio guy died in "The Constant" just by being near the phone where 5. If you watch the episode about Miles, when he visits his mother in the hospital she was having radiation poisoning characteristic, pretty much hinting she was dying from radiation poisoning. 6. If the magic stopped why didnt the Lock changed back to MIB. (Dont give me ur opinions I want answers) 7. Why didnt Jack come back to life after restoring the rock. The rules should have been applied and kept him from dying. 8. Faraday's mother stopped Desmond from marrying Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." She knew that he was time traveling. Thats when she tells him that he cant changed the future. 12. Well I guess you dont have all the answer to lost since you couldnt even provide an answer to this question. We can tell that the ship was outside of the islands range, by the helicopters coordinates in "The Constant." The pilot had a cheat sheet to get back to the ship. Jin was affected because he started to swim back to the island. But that still doesnt explain how the MIB got on the ship. That was the MIB on the ship because he appeared out of thin air and told Michael he will take care of it. 2. I'm not sure what you meant. You ask how did the MIB get trapped and then released. I answered by saying the only people on the Island on the period of time between when the cabin was built and the crash were DHARMA, the Others, and Jacob. So the answer to how he was trapped was one of these 3 parties did it. We don't know which. He was released when one of these 3 parties broke the ash circle. That's not a complete answer, but that's as close to an answer as the show has given. 4. Miles was a baby when he was evacuated from the Island, Charlotte had lived there for several years and was a young child. If I had to guess from the age of the child actors playing them, Miles about 1 years old, and Charlotte was about 8 or 9. 5. It wasn't stated that she was dying from radiation poisoning, and I don't think radiation poison occurs like 20-30 years after exposure, even through she was never exposed. 6. Because Illana said he was the MIB was stuck the Locke's form because Jacob died (see the episode "The Substitute"). 7. Firstly, it seems the Rules don't prevent people from indirectly killing each other, such as when Jacob through the MIB down the Source. Secondly, the MIB stabbed Jack when the Source was out, so the Rules didn't apply. Thirdly, Jack didn't only died from the stabbing, the electromagnetic energy after he sat in the Source for a few moments after recorking it also contributed to his death. 8. In that episode, Desmond was consciousnesses traveling (as he was in "The Constant"), but Eloise didn't know that. Obviously she knew what "whatever happened, happened", because she was a physicist, so dedicated her studies to time travel after killing her son. Her knowledge of the future can only be explained by having Faraday's journal, which she was reading in "Follow the Leader". Also note that Desmond was mention in Faraday's journal as his constant. 12. There is no direct answer given to this question given on the show. tyvm for doing this, I really appreciated the answers and it was a good read
Thanks, added a bit more on question 12.
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On January 15 2012 07:58 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:30 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:27 KwarK wrote:
Why did they write in a kid with crazy magic powers in the first season then forget about him and never mention it again? Because the actor outgrew his role. In terms of the story, Walt didn't really have any significant powers other than psychically killing birds. He got on a boat with his dad and got off the Island. There really isn't more to it than that. I think this was my biggest early frustration with the series. To have made such a big deal out of this kid and then to have absolutely no follow up and no demonstration of what actually the big deal, it just kills the tension. What was the point really? It's like having Frodo journey all the way to Gondor with the reader under the impression that the Ring was the key to destroying Sauron and then the Ring get's lost halfway through and we forget about it entirely. Alright, so maybe the 'chosen one' wasn't as big a deal as the One Ring, but considering the amount of crazy visions, kidnapping plots that built up to... absolutely nothing. I actually like the misdirection everyone thinking it was Claire's baby, but it turns out to be Walt. But it was one of those continuing plot tensions that completely swept under the rug. I really liked Lost in it's early stages. It had the feeling of Myst or Riven with the weird hatch, leftover high-tech, but ancient. And in that sense I liked the return to that feel in Season 6. But I didn't really like the flash back and forward in time combined with the flash sideways. It felt like they had run out of backstory flashbacks to do so they created something else entirely and it just put too many things on the table. It made everything else feel crowded rather than sticking with and expanding upon the elements they had introduced in the first 3 seasons. (It felt more of a natural progression of S1 discovery/survival on island, S2 discovery hatch, S3 the Others. S4-6 where... I don't even know. My specific question has to do with Jacob's Cabin. So one too many plot twists later I just couldn't be bothered to go back to figure out the real motivation and purpose with all the misdirection. Originally Locke was given some sort of purpose or direction from "Jacob" and I actually liked his transition from an outcast man of faith to a confident man of action (until he turned into cult leader, threatening guns at everyone.) But it turns out Jacob's Cabin was actually Christian who was actually the MiB. But by the time they revealed that, I had lost track of what the original purpose/ mission was and so I couldn't figure out what MiB gained from the entire enterprise. Any ideas?
1. I've explained like 3 times why they kidnapped Walt: (1) They kidnapped children in general to brainwash them into joining as they cannot make babies (mothers always die in birth), (2) To study Walt's special powers.
2. Claire's baby was not special. It did not need to be immunized. It was a fraud. The psychic was a fraud (see the episode "?") and the vaccine was a fraud (see the episode "Live Together, Die Alone"). Nothing that suggested the baby was special turned out to not be a fraud. Claire however was the first mother to give birth on the Island without dying since the hydrogen bomb.
3. Yes, they did run out of material for flashbacks. The producers said that they knew from the very beginning that they couldn't make 6 years of flashbacks.
4. Locke was never given any direction from Jacob. In fact Ben, who told Locke about Jacob had never met him. Jacob only ever talks to Richard, because of his fanatical belief in giving people choices, and to prove to the MIB that people can be good when left on their own. Yes, it wasn't Jacob's cabin, it was the MIB's prison.
5. Here's the MIB's plan:
(1) Discredit Ben and make Locke feel special so that he becomes the leader of the Others.
(2) Get Ben to kill Locke because of jealousy.
(3) Take Locke's body.
(4) Turn into Monster form, to blackmail Ben into doing everything Locke says.
(5) Now that he is the leader of the Others, force Richard to give up the location of Jacob.
(6) Tell Ben to kill Jacob because Ben will do everything Locke says.
S1: Introduction, S2: Hatch, S3:Others, S4: Getting off the Island, S5: Time Travel and DHARMA, S6: Jacob vs MIB.
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How did Eloise Hawking know that the guy in the red shoes was going to die when she was talking to Desmond?
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One question that always bugged me was why women die when they got pregnant on the island, was there ever any answers to that? Also, the temple where Sayid got brought back to life, what the hell was this about and who were those people?
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Why did Juliet say "it worked" when Sawyer went down to rescue her before she died? It made me think that the sideways flashback world was what had actually happened because they changed time.
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From reading a lot of these responses, I'm glad i never watched more than a few episodes. lol
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On January 16 2012 03:38 v3chr0 wrote:
From reading a lot of these responses, I'm glad i never watched more than a few episodes. lol
Lost was really good for the first few seasons. After that it kind of went rediculous (time travel was so retarded I still can't believe they added that in lol...). So many things were dumb I couldn't believe the writers thought it was a good idea xD
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