[TV] I will answer your LOST questions - Page 17

On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote:
I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.

I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.

1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?

This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.

2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.

We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.

Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.

Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???

On January 29 2012 13:18 SACtheXchng wrote:
I was one of the people who were huge LOST fans but were hugely dissapointed by the final season.

I must admit, I didn't read this whole thread, but I ctrl-f'ed the questions I'm going to ask.

1. What happens if Aaron is "Raised by Another"?

This was a HUGE deal in the first season, as the "fake" psychic scam artist actually has a REAL psychic vision regarding the Kid. The fact that shit will hit the fan if he is not raised by Claire and none other than Claire is made VERY clear.

2. I'll preface my second question by firstly describing the situation.

We were told by the writers that this huge war is coming between two sides of which one is Widmore, and who or what the other side is, is left in the dark for a long time until we find out that, presumably it's MIB. They build this war up for seasons (it is mentioned as early as season 4 if I'm not mistaken). They have Widmore spend BILLIONS on intel and deception, on fake planes, freighters, science teams, mercenaries and what have you. Everything indicates this massive endgame clash of Titans is coming and the suspense keeps building up and up and up. The writers then have Widmore come to the Island on a submarine with a bunch of redshirts and a 45 year old female scientist to fight said war.

Then they have him hide in a closet and have him killed off in a split second, effectively making him another redshirt.

Here's my question (and forgive me if I'm quoting the AVGN here):

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING???

On January 29 2012 14:55 Pinkie wrote:

I have to agree with you SAC, the whole clash of the titans thing between Ben and Widmore was really going to be epic...or so I thought.
Q: Parallel can you explain this seeming incongruity between the WAR and what actually happened? I assumed that they would explain later with an actual justification but it kind of took side stage to MIB-Jacob war. I assumed that maybe the MIB-Jacob war was what was hyped all along but I don't see where Widmore and Ben fall as far as sides go.

On January 29 2012 13:27 Blixy213 wrote:
What were the numbers? Everything you can give me about them, their origin, meaning, anything. I stopped watching after religiously watching seasons 1-4 and then stayed for the last few episodes.

Edited out a question, should have skimmed a bit more!

Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers.

On your point about Hurley, there is no explanation beyond either (a) Hurley was an unlucky guy, and numbers are just numbers, or (b) the numbers are magic like Jacob. It really doesn't matter what you believe both are consistent with the story told, and nothing changes if you believe (a) instead of (b) or (b) instead of (a).

On January 29 2012 13:54 matjlav wrote:


Actually I don't think that this is right. When I watched it, it seemed that she said "it worked" in response to the vending machine working in the flash-sideways when she met Sawyer, and it bled over during her dying breaths. She wasn't really talking about their plan at all like everyone assumed. (I actually thought that that was a really nice misdirect by the writers.) That also explains why she started talking about going for coffee while she was dying.

On January 29 2012 16:56 paralleluniverse wrote:

Nothing would have happened if Aaron was given up for adoption. The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.



At first Widmore's mission was to find the Island and to take it back for himself. That's why he faked the plane crash, and sent a freighter with mercenaries to capture Ben. This conflict is what he and Ben referred to when they met in Widmore's bedroom.

However, some point after this but before meeting Locke, Jacob visited Widmore and told him the situation on the Island, and that he had to go back to the Island to help stop the MIB (this was revealed in the episode when Widmore died). That's why he had a sudden change of heart when he met Locke and told him that a war was coming. The war he was talking about with Locke was the war with the MIB. Then he came on the Island and got killed.

The psychic was shown to be a fraud in the episode "?" in Season 2.

On January 29 2012 21:35 SACtheXchng wrote:


Have you read my first question (and I mean the whole thing)?


True, however in the episode "Raised by Another" in season 1 it is clearly shown that this fraud has an actual psychic experience and the writers are going to great lengths showing us that, by showing us the great lengths he is willing to go in order to stop Claire giving the kid up for adoption (like for example giving her the money back, which is fairly uncharacteristic for a fraud, don't you think?).

You answered my second question "WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?" (admittedly a rhetorical one) by reiterating the story as shown. I've seen the show, thanks. You don't need to explain to me what happened In-Show.

I just like to challenge people who claim that the final season(s) of this show were NOT piss-poor writing. Usually I get responses like that they were brave enough to break conventions. Breaking conventions in story telling is a good thing, however we must not forget that conventions are there for a reason. THEY WORK!

Building up suspense for a massive endgame and then resolving it in an anticlimactic side-plot is not bravely breaking a story telling convention. I'ts simply shitting your pants because you ran out of time because you began butchering the plot several tens of episodes back.

Here's another rhetorical question for the writers: How about, during season 6, instead of introducing yet another seemingly all-knowing, all-important character (Dogen), and then have him killed off like a redshirt mid-season, how about actually working on resolving EXISTING plot lines???

On January 30 2012 21:05 paralleluniverse wrote:

He's a fraud. It was fake.

On January 30 2012 22:37 SACtheXchng wrote:


Apparently it's impossible to convince you otherwise, since your apologetic LOST fanboyism is too strong. Like someone said earlier in this thread, you argue like extremely religious lunatics.

Just for the heck of it, let me anyways recap what this fraud psychic was doing regarding the Claire & Baby situation. Step by Step.

- He lets her in, takes her money and begins the reading.
- He asks about when Claire found out about the pregnancy.
- He stops, looking disturbed.
- He aborts the reading, looking more disturbed, distressed actually.
- He gives Claire her money back
- He asks Claire and her friend to leave immediately, now looking scared shitless

Fast forward a few months. Claire, whose boyfriend has just broken up with her visits the fraud psychic again.

- He lets her in, takes her money and begins the reading.
- He tells her, that it is imperative that she alone raises the child.
- Again his facial expressions go from disturbed over distressed to scared shitless.
- When Claire says "Thanks for taking my money" he gives it back to her AGAIN.
- As she's leaving, he begs her desperately to listen.
- He then goes on for FOUR MONTHS harassing Claire, trying to change her mind.
- Then he gives her $6,000 AUD and a planeticket to L.A. so she gets on flight 815.

Let's see:
He could have taken Claire's $200 AUD at the first reading.
He could have taken Claire's $200 AUD at the second reading.
Instead he gives her $6,000 AUD and a plane ticket.

That makes him $6,401 AUD and a plane ticket shy of defrauding Claire out of even $1 AUD.

OK, but he's still just a fraud and a fake. Since this thread is called I will answer your LOST questions, here's another question for you:

Dear all-knowing LOST authority:
What were the fraud psychic's motives regarding his behavior in the Claire & Baby situation?

On the Lost Season 2 DVD Lost Connections there is a previously unseen clip when the navigation moves from Eko to Richard Malkin. Malkin tells Eko that he was paid $16,000 by a couple in Los Angeles to convince a pregnant girl to board a plane (note that this is a deleted scene and, as such, is not necessarily canon).

The psychic said himself that he was a fraud in the episode "?", as I've already said.

On January 30 2012 22:50 SACtheXchng wrote:

I can read, thank you, and I've also seen the show (as I've already said).
Also, I don't care about deleted scenes, I care about what was shown in the episodes as is.

My question again, since you failed to answer:

Dear all-knowing LOST authority:
What were the fraud psychic's motives regarding his behavior in the Claire & Baby situation?

On January 31 2012 09:38 Stiver wrote:
If the Island has always had a protector to stop people from accessing the cave with the "light", who built/put the giant plug that Desmond removes? How could they even go into the cave to put in the plug, considering how deadly it is for everyone but Desmond?