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chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
September 19 2011 17:47 GMT
#581
He didnt want to shoot Jesse.
Do you really think the producers would make such an important fact only visible in super slow-mo with 100x rewatches? If they were intending to show that Mike really wanted to shoot Jesse they wouldve made it more obvious to the viewers...
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
September 19 2011 18:32 GMT
#582
On September 19 2011 13:10 nxiety wrote:
Gus/Mike don't owe their life to Jesse. Gus won't see it that way, Mike may though.

Mike was about to shoot Jesse in the back when he was shot.

3 shots showing Mike about to shoot Jesse.


I think this is a total stretch I don't see any evidence he was aiming at Jesse
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
September 19 2011 19:28 GMT
#583
It's definitely an interesting fact that nxiety brought up. It can go both ways by the looks of it, but there is little chance from that clip you can assume Mike saw the shooter, he was looking in Jesse's direction just to off him before getting in the drivers seat. He was shot in a completely different angle from where he was looking.

It sort of makes sense because Gus has been working on an entire Walter vs Jesse scheme and they are at a point where they are indifferent about each other. From what your given about Gus, you can assume he had it all planned out, he's an incredibly shrewd genius.

Either way this episode was amazing, and we need some confirmation on this matter via podcast.
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
September 19 2011 20:07 GMT
#584
I think you're all looking too much into it. Mike grabbed a gun before he told Jesse to do the same. He still had the same gun in his hands.
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
September 19 2011 20:16 GMT
#585
Mike gun pointing aside. (I think its just conjecture anyhow). This is probably the best episode of any anything ever.

The way Gus interacted with the cartel was fascinating. Walter doesn't know what hes up against at all. Also is it just me or has Jesse been way way more interesting this season. I was worried when we wasnt doing anything but his character has really taken a awesome turn.
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
September 19 2011 20:17 GMT
#586
I feel like I'm starting to care more about jesse's story than walters. anyone else?
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:22:33
September 19 2011 20:17 GMT
#587
Considering Mike was trained professionally (military or police or whatever), it's also likely that he was drawing his weapon to cover for Jesse while Jesse got in the car. I think this is a pretty common tactic.

Also, most shows won't do something so subtle that it's very hard to read. But if any show would do something so subtle it would be Breaking Bad. For example a lot of shows do cheesy flashbacks to remind audiences of small details, and they do things like slow motion whenever there is a climax and a main character is about to be shot or something. Breaking Bad never does this.
caruso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany733 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#588
This wasn't the season finale, was it?

kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
September 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#589
On September 20 2011 05:20 caruso wrote:
This wasn't the season finale, was it?


No, there are three episodes left.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
September 19 2011 20:25 GMT
#590
On September 20 2011 05:17 Trotske wrote:
I feel like I'm starting to care more about jesse's story than walters. anyone else?


The story that now he's basically clueless about anything going on in gus head and just throws himself in further danger rather than repairing his relationship with walter?
There's no S in KT. :P
theherder2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States538 Posts
September 19 2011 20:31 GMT
#591
On September 20 2011 00:21 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 13:57 nxiety wrote:
If you watch the scene frame by frame(not just slow motion but literally frame by frame), Mike opens the car door and as soon as Jesse is looking away from the car, lifts his gun quickly and directly at Jesse.

He then looks to the left 90 degrees while still pointing the gun at Jesse but is shot before he has a chance to respond. He -jerks- to the left, an unnatural movement, as if caught by surprise. Rather than lifting his gun to point at the gun man. If you look at the lighting and the reflection of the gun you can much easier see the direction it's pointing in the 2nd frame of that picture. The 3rd frame shows him after he was shot/jerked almost 90 degrees to the left and his arm is following slower than his body moved.

Why wouldn't they kill Jesse? He's no longer needed. They needed him to cook the meth and to help escape to the car. Once that's all done, they don't need him any longer. They could just tell Walt that "complications" came up, Walt was already thinking Jesse betrayed him - which may have been planned as Walt suspected when they first took Jesse under their wing.

edit: The direction of the gun man is evidenced by how Mike is shot/falls against the car and most importantly the many seconds of Jesse firing after having turned more than 90 degrees(as the gun man was running towards their left as soon as he exited the door which is where he first shot from.)

Animated GIF of Mike aiming at Jesse.

The gif shows pretty clearly that yeah mike does point the gun at jesse he never looks directly at him. His head is moving around the whole time before he is shot. Way i see it is he is lifting his gun to cover jesse getting to the other side of the car. Anyway, if they really wanted to kill him why wouldn't they just let him drink?


I don't believe in the "mike wanted to kill jesse" conspiracy. Looking at the gif, it seems like just coincidental shot (filming) angles, because they need to frame mike's body against the glass window as it shatters from the "bullet". If mike entered a car normally then his arm would be inside the car, and his body not parallel to the window frame. To have the full effect of the shot going through the window and into mike, he needs to be standing facing towards the camera behind the window, and with his arms to the sides and not entering the car.

On a side note, I don't think he even ever pointed it at Jesse to begin with. To me it looks like he pointed it towards the front of the car and as he is being shot that momentum brings his body back and arms forward.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
September 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#592
I realised the drink was poison the moment Gus turned and said that Jesse was an "addict" he needs to be sober to work.

Jesse never had a drinking problem, Meth, heroin, not drink. Nothing ever highlighted that, so it was pretty obvious some shit was up with that drink ^_^ Not to mention the pill and Mike's words.

Amazing bloody episode. although i only recently started watching. After the whole of season 1 in two nights, catching up and being on one a week is like fucking rehab to me >.>
Useless wet fish.
toemn
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany915 Posts
September 19 2011 20:39 GMT
#593
On September 20 2011 05:20 kaisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:20 caruso wrote:
This wasn't the season finale, was it?


No, there are three episodes left.


Exactly what I thought after watching this episode. How the hell can they top this? And most importantly how can they put Walter back in the spotlight after this last episode.

+ Show Spoiler +
I watched the controversial scene a few times and maybe Mike just saw the guard and immediately pulled out his gun. I find it hard to believe that Mike wants to finish him off so easily...
Oh man I'm so hyped. I loved the last two episodes..
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
kemsley
Profile Joined October 2010
United Arab Emirates137 Posts
September 19 2011 20:42 GMT
#594
I guessed it as soon as the drink came out - bit of a gamble but very cool - loved the way Gus laid out the towell before vomming!

I hope Mike and Gus don't die - they are too good to watch. Skyler's ex-boss needs a slap!

Love this series so much...always want more when the credits roll
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
September 19 2011 20:45 GMT
#595
Silence you fools, i shall begin construction of a "time machine". With this "time machine" i shall travel to Sunday to find out the truth, did mike plan on shooting Jesse? Give me six days to complete construction.
vvv-gaming.com
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
September 19 2011 21:01 GMT
#596
On September 20 2011 05:45 MileyCyrus wrote:
Silence you fools, i shall begin construction of a "time machine". With this "time machine" i shall travel to Sunday to find out the truth, did mike plan on shooting Jesse? Give me six days to complete construction.


Your user name and extremely...lame post leads me to write this as a response.

... (...) ...
Useless wet fish.
Ostracized
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada52 Posts
September 19 2011 21:24 GMT
#597
The pills that Gus takes may simply have been activated charcoal (binds to toxins, which he then vomited up).

I do not think that Mike was aiming at Jesse.
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
September 19 2011 21:30 GMT
#598
Oh... My... GOD Skyler is so fucking dumb. Why on earth would she tell her old boss? He's a complete liability now.

If they wanted Jesse to die they would have just let him drink the alcohol.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
Pyskee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States620 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 21:42:59
September 19 2011 21:31 GMT
#599
On September 20 2011 05:36 Capped wrote:
Jesse never had a drinking problem, Meth, heroin, not drink.

Most recovering drug addicts stop drinking as well, especially if they were part of NA programs and such. I for one am way more inclined to do things while intoxicated that I would normally steer clear from while sober; so I can only imagine how easy it would be for an addict to relapse.

On September 19 2011 23:00 HawaiianPig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 16:15 kaisen wrote:
The best episode of this season.

On September 19 2011 15:37 ShadeR wrote:
On September 19 2011 15:25 Klogon wrote:
I am actually curious how they will wrap up this series now. Probably with Walter's death from cancer? I hope it's not a fairy tale ending.

But I'm pretty sure you can't just kill a bunch of people and expect the Cartel to be done. If that was the case, there wouldn't be such a war right now. Maybe the Cartel will live on but the new leader will no longer have a problem with Gus? Who knows.

Seems like all of the top brass were killed, this should at least guarantee there wont be immediate repercussions due to power struggle.

Gus said all of Don Eladio's capos are dead, so yeah, the cartel is pretty much finished.


I sincerely doubt that the Cartel is finished. Even if Don Eladio is the supreme leader, even if that were likely given that criminal organizations tend to have fairly nebulous power structures, I really doubt that the Cartel would just roll over and die at the death of about 20 people. At the worst, they'll be out of the picture for a while, but I certainly wouldn't count them out. More likely, I'd bet there's some even higher level of power under whom Don Eladio was working, and the rabbit hole goes deeper.

It certainly won't end the Cartel in Mexico, but what would usually happen is since there's like 20 guys left all at the same level in the mob hierarchy, they began forming their own cartels and they start fighting each other for territory and control. When the dust clears I doubt the last man standing will even remember Gus.

However -- at least in American Mafias -- there is a "five families" type of thing (Coppola did his research). A mob committee, if you will. For the sake of entertaining television, I'm sure the Breaking Bad cartel has that type of system too, so they might come after Gus now. Could be the plot for next season.
"If you really don't give a shit what brand you chew, chew Stride." - Liquid'Tyler. Gives shoutouts like a boss.
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
September 19 2011 21:40 GMT
#600
On September 20 2011 02:41 pres.sure wrote:
If Gus want to see Jesse dead, he would not have prevented him form drinking the poison.



100% right.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
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