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On November 29 2011 01:20 Elegy wrote: How exactly would they have put new zombies in the barn anyway? Just open the door a crack and shove them in???
Doesn't seem...particularly safe.... Good point. And he said that Otis was doing that by himself... weird.
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It's a good thing that we know that Sophia is dead. It would be a little too far-fetched for me if a little girl easily scared and unable to follow instructions would survive alone in a zombie infested world. Now it is still realistic. No i'm not being sarcastic.
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GREAAAAAAAAAATTT way to end the season at the mid point.
Does anyone know when the season picks up again?
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On November 29 2011 01:53 PWNTAR wrote: GREAAAAAAAAAATTT way to end the season at the mid point.
Does anyone know when the season picks up again?
February, 2012. It's a short break, will probably feel like forever though.
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Can someone tell me why there is a 3 month break mid-season?
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Its standard for shows to have mid-season break. All the shows are doing it
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It's... almost Christmas. Seems pretty obvious.
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On November 29 2011 01:07 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 00:20 n0ise wrote:On November 28 2011 22:15 Mordiford wrote:On November 28 2011 17:36 p4NDemik wrote: It's weird. I feel like the writers want us to have a strong affinity towards Rick and Dale right now, and really despise Shane, but they executed so poorly most people ended up the other way around. I personally agree that Shane woke everyone up with what he did, he was right that Hershel was being delusional and that Sophia was dead. Haven't read the comics but a) in a world that can get infested with a "zombie-virus", it's not that far-fetched to assume there is also the possibility of a vaccine, or even a cure. Not sure if it's addressed in the comics, but unless it is, anything on the subject is complete speculation. Hence, Hershel had all the reason to keep his family/friends there, as long as he made sure everyone/everything is safe. b) Sophia's status was also complete speculation up until the point where they saw she turned. As long as they're safe where they are, why not search for the child until you exhaust all options? Shane's arguments just make no sense to me. That being said, I kinda like the character, and it all played pretty well in the end (didn't predict the kid will be up in the barn). There is no cure, I don't see how it would be reasonable to expect something to bring back the living dead. A vaccine wouldn't bring back those who have already turned. An alternative for what happened in the show is present in the comics. + Show Spoiler [Not a show spoiler. Comic alternative…] +In the comic, while Hershel is trying to rope a new zombie into the barn, they all break out and kill like half his family, this makes him realize that he was wrong about the Walkers. So yes, I feel that Hershel was being delusional and incredibly stupid for leaving a barn full of zombies 5 minutes away from camp. He would eventually have had too many in there to the point where they would break out, or have fucked up putting the new ones in there. Also, had Dale hidden the guns in the swamp and had Shane not stopped him, the group would have likely suffered devastating losses if the comic incident had occurred. As for Sophia, Shane was just being realistic. After the third day, I pretty much figured she'd either has to be dead or a complete fucking badass to survive out there alone. Considering that Sophia was pretty meek and not particularly impressive in dealing with zombies it was more than likely that she was dead.
Thanks for the comic alternative, seems interesting. What you say is definitely the 'probable course of events' - my point was that as long as everyone is safe (and since they survived til now by themselves with just one man handling the family zombies, I suppose they'll be safe with guns and way more manpower), why not just fucking let Hershel have his way?! Especially after he's taken care of you, after you killed his relative/friend/whatever (Otis) and so on.
Accepting the possibility of "living dead" [literally corpses functioning with zero organs, vaguely excepting the brain and a few senses] means precisely that it's perfectly reasonable to also expect that after years and years, maybe, just maybe, there's the slim chance of a complete cure. Add this to the fact that Hershel was religious, and there's obvious reason in him trying to still take care of his zombiefamily. "Just in case", as he might put it.
Same for Sophia - obviously her chances are slim as f (basically her only hope being to run into something/someone), but as long as you have like 20% ground left to cover and you're in a safe spot anyway - why refuse her those chances?
Moving on, about Shane losing control - I don't think he went that batshit as some people believe. He saw the killing of the zombies as a necessity, so he forced the hand of the people around him instead of calling in the Council of fucking Elrond, where Rick could've probably persuaded everyone that killing the barn off isn't really necessary. So WP on his part.
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Hm. I wonder whether I was the only one secretly hoping for someone to put a bullet in Shanes back while he was spazzing out by the barn. You can certainly say that his actions make sense but that doesn't change the fact that he would be the last person in this group I'd want to spend my zombie apocalypse with. I'm rather surprised so many people actually seem to like him.
I am also wondering why hasn't anyone there point out the obvious route the survivors should take - find a nice farmhouse (or some small village) as far away from civilization as possible and wait till this thing blows over (about a year maybe?).
All in all, I have enjoyed the second season thus far. The way they solved the ordeal with the missing girl was rather nicely done (+ I actually didn't see that coming).
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On November 28 2011 13:00 Arkan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 11:58 Darpa wrote:On November 28 2011 11:57 Slaughter wrote: Shane just lost his shit. Thank fucking god he did. He actually acted like a normal person would. Kill the walkers, take control of the situation and tell hershal and friends there isnt a damn thing they can do to make them move along. Shane is by far my favorite character at this point. I thought I was the only one that thought Shane was the only real human person there >.< I realize a lot of people dont like him, but hes upfront and has the balls to say and do what needs to be done. The world in the show isnt the same anymore and they need to change their way of thinking. Rick especially should have stood up for the group and told the guy they werent going to leave the farm. Yeah i think theyd survive longer under shane
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by far the best episode thus far. well, not that big of an accomplishment by this seasons quality. very impressed by the acting, especially shane really pulled it off this episode.
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On November 22 2011 06:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 06:07 Criptos wrote: People that haven't REALLY REALLY need to go read the comics. I'm enjoying the show for the most part, but the comics are 1000x better. I've been thinking about reading the comics lately. Are they easy to find ina local book store? Im not sure where to find then but i know theyre about 10 bucks each. Great reads
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Shane is one of the best characters in any TV show in so long.... those last 10 minutes were just absolutely amazing
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On November 29 2011 02:48 ffadicted wrote: Shane is one of the best characters in any TV show in so long.... those last 10 minutes were just absolutely amazing
I was actually thinking after tonight's episode, despite the show's writing and acting being somewhat lacking a lot of the time, I haven't had a single problem with the actor playing shane. I feel like he'd be the one to move on to a big acting career from this show. He's done a really good job. The only thing I can think of being silly with him was the booze drinking in the shower last season, but that's the writers fault.
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On November 29 2011 01:43 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 01:20 Elegy wrote: How exactly would they have put new zombies in the barn anyway? Just open the door a crack and shove them in???
Doesn't seem...particularly safe.... Good point. And he said that Otis was doing that by himself... weird.
through the hatch in the upstairs maybe?
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Wow is all i can say for this episode. The ending where Rick was bringing in the zombies for the barn and Shane running at them, it felt so intense i knew shit was about to go down. The ending was near perfection and so emotional. Especially when showing everyone's reaction. And in the end when Rick had to actually make the tough decision ended up taking down Sophia. Yes the whole season felt slow but this ending made up for it imo.
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Holy mother of god that was an amazing episode to end the first half on, quite an emotional one for the entire group, Hershel especially - to have to sit there and watch his friends and family get 'put down', only for the tables to be turned, and its one of the groups family coming out..
It's really quite well done, very dramatic.
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there were zombies in this episode! and zombies getting killed! and as a result of the extended zombie killing scene at the end there was far, far less qq drama garbage! (still lots, but less than standard 2nd season episode). does that mean the zombie show will be about zombies again?
tbh i loved s1, but felt like all of season 2 thus far can (and should have been) be compressed into 1 single episode. its disappointing.
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On November 29 2011 02:13 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Damn good last episode!
Yep. The ending was intense. I first didn't quite realize what was happening. With last weeks strong dialogs and today's ending, I can't wait for February :D
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